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No MMS and No Copy and Paste is killing the iPhone for many.

Is anyone at Apple listening to what the users want.

Get with it Apple!

Lack of A2DP is an even bigger shame - but the "missing features" list is quite long and explains why iCrap sucks big time: battery, email, kb, openness, video recording, Flash, MSC/MTM modes etc.
 
Yea, I remember PalmGear. When I used my Treos freewarepalm was better. PalmGear reminds me of the app store, it's not the size of the store but what's in the store. There was a lot of crap in PalmGear, a lot of buggy crap too. It's funny I remember this but out of all the apps I wasted money on in PalmGear only 2 or 3 stayed on my phone. The freeware apps were just much better and I eventually stopped going to PalmGear.

IMO Handango was the first real app store, both in terms of selection and systems.
 
everybody should give apple a chance to answer back. yes webOS now has the best mobile OS design now but give apple a chance with the new hardware to see what they can do. nobody knows what os 3.0 will look like or what it will do.

you are correct - there is a generational difference between the innards of the iph and those of pre. that said, some limitations of the phone os are fundamental design decisions, and as such we should not expect to see them vanish overnight (read: in a revision). for instance, you can always expect that background execution on the iph will be limited to apple's in-house apps only. another such restriction is the isolations between 3rd party apps - they don't see each other, each other's files, etc - don't expect apple to change that either.

btw, the chipset in the pre is TI's omap3430, if we are to believe the speaker at the palm CES event (1:45 from the revealing).
 
IMO Handango was the first real app store, both in terms of selection and systems.

The only reason you might think so is that one of the Handango founders tried to sue PalmGear out of existence (IIRC, but IANAL). PalmGear had a lot more selection before that, as well as maybe a 2 year head start (as PilotGear, before Palm changed the product name).

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First, what where you trying to get across in that post?

Second, installing the OS doesnt take up ram, are you sure you're talking about ram and not Hard Drive space?

That if an old device running and old os can do multi-tasking with no problem, then it should be a breeze for the iphone with a software update and not a hardware update.
 
That if an old device running and old os can do multi-tasking with no problem, then it should be a breeze for the iphone with a software update and not a hardware update.

You realize that an old OS takes up alot less RAM to run right?

But regardless, yess the iphone could handle it fairly well, but the way the OS is set up, it becomes a HUGE battery/resource hog.
 
You realize that an old OS takes up alot less RAM to run right?

But regardless, yess the iphone could handle it fairly well, but the way the OS is set up, it becomes a HUGE battery/resource hog.

Yes, I do but you do know older device also have less ram on them also. Some even had only 16mb of ram.
 
Re: multitasking

Its more about the RAM than the CPU. I beleive the iphones CPU runs underclocked around 416ish mhz. I could be remembering wrong tho.

It's more about bloated software. Once upon a time, the U.C. Berkeley computer science dept. had a 1 MHz Unix computer with 1 MB or less of memory, and 2 dozen or so students at a time using it to write C programs and such.

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So the way the jailbreaking community has the phone running background apps (a hack must be preformed, therefore hack preformance) kills the battery.

The hack does nothing to change how things are run, only changes permissions to allow things to run in the backround. Theres no extra cycles being wasted TO make the apps run, only the apps themselves are using more cycles.

And of course, it depends heavily on what you run in the backround.
 
Re: multitasking



It's more about bloated software. Once upon a time, the U.C. Berkeley computer science dept. had a 1 MHz Unix computer with 1 MB or less of memory, and 2 dozen or so students at a time using it to write C programs and such.


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I wouldnt really call it bloated, as technology and software have always required higher specs as its progressed. Theres no way even if you cleaned up the code as much as imagineably possible that you could run some of the apps on that computer.

But nice little history lesson:)
 
That's not always a disadvantage.. It's looks to be much better than the Blackberry Storm which is a major fail.

ok...now from someone who actually used the Storm. You don't know what you are talking about. The storm is great and my guess is the pre will be also.

Anything that can multitask is fundamentally better than the iphone. Especially for business, and I actually like the Iphone.

and multitasking does NOT kill the battery, if coded correctly. I multitask all day and get a full days battery on my storm. If people are hacking it to get multitask functionality, than at this time, the iphone wasn't prepared to do it. Don't blame Apple. They never said it would work.
 
ok...now from someone who actually used the Storm. You don't know what you are talking about. The storm is great and my guess is the pre will be also.

I've tried the Storm and it's pretty good - for a BlackBerry.

Since Apple has chosen "exclusivity" by working only on certain networks (AT&T here in the US and T-Mobile if you can hack one), coupled with exclusive carriers, competitors will respond with their own versions.

T-Mobile in the US has to have the G1, those who are staunchly BlackBerry now have the Storm, and those that love Palm will have the Pre...

I think that not only competition is good, Apple is helping things along with its strict exclusivity. :eek:
 
When Steve Jobs told you that? Apple said that it's not so easy to implement Copy/Paste that is simple and efective and that they are working on it just Copy/Paste is not on their current to do list ;) I guess it will come with 3.0 firmware and 3rd generation iPhone.

What people often don't realise is that every iPhone is connected to a phone network, and therefore any application can send whatever data it can lay its hands on quite easily to any location in the world. So if you copied a very important business email and then opened the iFart application, there would be nothing to stop it from sending that email to anyone it wants.

iPhone applications are very strictly separated. One application can't access another application's data, for very good security reasons.
 
I run apps all the time in the backround, kicks the CRAP out of my battery.

That tells me iOSX is a complete CRAP mobile operating system.

My old TyTn can run several apps all the time and I never noticed any significant change in battery life compared to days when I don't use the phone for too many things simultaneously.
 
I think that not only competition is good, Apple is helping things along with its strict exclusivity. :eek:

Never heard such a hilariously illogical and nonsensical claim... do you realize that if Apple let iCrap to go onto other networks then it would be forced to directly compete with other devices thus downward price pressure and feature upgrade frequency were much higher?
 
For whatever reason, it would seem that most people in business prefer using iPhone alternatives. And, you know, it may not even be due to the keyboard. Most are using Blackberries, which have very strong integration with Microsoft Exchange and other business servers. iPhone 2.0 may have ActiveSync, but from what I've read, it still pales in comparison to what can be done with the alternatives.

In my experience the top dogs prefer the iPhone and pester their IT departments to get things moving and have the power to do so. The second and third rate people have their Blackberries and don't dare turning them off day or night or weekend in case their boss wants something.
 
So if you copied a very important business email and then opened the iFart application, there would be nothing to stop it from sending that email to anyone it wants.

How is this different from the desktop version of OSX? Don't all applications there have total access to the clipboard?

In any case, Apple could add an OS prompt if an app is trying to paste the clipboard on its own. Or simply don't allow it except under user action.
 
How is this different from the desktop version of OSX? Don't all applications there have total access to the clipboard?
they do, and that's the problem - osx mobile is a fenced garden, adhereing to quite different security standards from the desktop. for instance, (non-priviledged) desktop applications can see the entire fs (subject to file ownership permission, of course), while their mobile counterparts have their private 'sandboxes' and that's all.

In any case, Apple could add an OS prompt if an app is trying to paste the clipboard on its own. Or simply don't allow it except under user action.
i don't think asking the user to confirm a programatic pase action would be a good idea - it'd be too cumbersome/counterintuitive. disallowing the apps from reading the clipboard altogether, i.e. allowing them to just copy to it, and then offering the paste action as a 'system service' directly to the user would be more natural. an app would receive a paste message at specified coords, together with the corresponding clip content, and from there on it will be left to figure out how to proceed with that on its own.
 
There IS MMS for iPhone!

so yet again, the iphone is still one of the only smart phones out there where you can't mms or copy paste. what the f#ck apple, just give us those damn features already.:mad:

MMS for iPhone does exist, just type in MMS in the App Store and download it for free :D
 
In my experience the top dogs prefer the iPhone and pester their IT departments to get things moving and have the power to do so. The second and third rate people have their Blackberries and don't dare turning them off day or night or weekend in case their boss wants something.

Seond and third rate people:rolleyes:

In my experience all of our execs stuck with Bold's and 8890's and it was business as usual.
 
Most are using Blackberries, which have very strong integration with Microsoft Exchange and other business servers. iPhone 2.0 may have ActiveSync, but from what I've read, it still pales in comparison to what can be done with the alternatives.

Blackberries themselves don't have any integration with Exchange. BES does. In that sense, the iPhone actually has better integration, as it can talk directly to Exchange servers without the need for an additional server (and an additional point of failure). ActiveSync Direct Push provides most (but not all of the functionality that BES does. For the vast majority of users, it's certainly "good enough".
 
That tells me iOSX is a complete CRAP mobile operating system.

My old TyTn can run several apps all the time and I never noticed any significant change in battery life compared to days when I don't use the phone for too many things simultaneously.

That just tells me that it wasn't designed to run multiple apps in the back. That can be fixed on apples end. Why does that lead you to beleive then entire system is bad?:confused: Does it not do what it was meant to do?

People need to keep in mind that not all technologies work the same way. Perhaps your TyTn (what is that?:p) was DESIGNED to multitask and had some sort of optimization to a better lasting batter.

Hopefully no one can possibly mistake this as a hostile response I'm merely posting a response, no flaming, just a response.
 
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