Most accurate statement of this entire thread. Palm is going to regret this.
I can see Steve doing something himself.
As in personally.
At Palm HQ.
Plate-less Mercedes and all.
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Palm Releases WebOS 1.1, Restores iTunes Media Syncing
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Most accurate statement of this entire thread. Palm is going to regret this.
I can see Steve doing something himself.
As in personally.
At Palm HQ.
Plate-less Mercedes and all.
Last time I checked, this is Macrumers, not Palmrumors.
Right, because it's not like there's any Apple dimension to this story.
Allowing the Pre to sync with iTunes has never been a 'problem' for Apple. It's not like they've specifically asked Apple to change their software. Instead, Apple is going out of their way to prevent it from working. Talk about being bitter...
Except they are completely within their rights to do so in this case.
MS abused their monopoly. Apple deson't have a monopoly in this area, and has never been legally regarded as having one. Therefore, there is nothing to abuse.
Apple already infringes on a couple palms patents, the auto-brightness function on the iphone and every mac computer? That is palms patent. Apple sues, palm can sue right back.
I would imagine that lawyers will never get involved. If Apple didn't sick their legal team on Palm the first time then I don't see why they would now. My guess is that there's probably some legal loophole that Palm knows about - especially seeing as how they have several former Apple members who would probably know what those loopholes are.
Given that Apple is pretty close to having iTunes considered as a monopoly it might not be in Apple's best interest to go for legal matters since it only calls attention to the stranglehold they are trying to create within the market by sort of dictating the music industry terms with what you can do with music, what products you can play it on, etc.
I would say whenever we see Apple updates it will just temporarily remove the ability and the very next Palm update will re-enable it.
Given that Apple is pretty close to having iTunes considered as a monopoly it might not be in Apple's best interest to go for legal matters since it only calls attention to the stranglehold they are trying to create within the market by sort of dictating the music industry terms with what you can do with music, what products you can play it on, etc.
I would say whenever we see Apple updates it will just temporarily remove the ability and the very next Palm update will re-enable it.
Find it funny that everyone raves loopholes that allow you to unlock your iPhone (which Apple constantly patches), but are up in arms when another company exploits a loophole. Look, Palm allowing the Pre to sync with iTunes doesn't effect you any way besides having you update iTunes to a newer version. Why do you complain?
Do you support identity theft too? I mean, if you steal my ID credit and bank cards and start masquerading as me, and I go to the bank to change my info, kill the cards, and put a fraud alert on my credit, then i'm being bitter (and probably be taken to court for having a monopoly on my finances)?
That's pretty much what's going on here, minus the court part.
Hey, Palm can go right ahead and exploit loopholes. Good for them. And Apple can go right on closing them. Who loses out? Palm customers.
Palm is promising iTunes syncing, as a selling point. Until Apple breaks it again. Then it's no longer a valid claim and you're lying to your customers. Palm's whole claim has no foundation to it. It's out of their control yet they are passing it off as legitimate and consistent.
I'd be very interested to see what would happen if Palm advertsed iTunes syncing as "some of the time", or "an estimated 2 months out of 4", etc. That is, for what it truly is.
So right now, Palm is essentially misrepresenting the situation to its customers.
iPhone on Verizon or was that Palm Pre I heard?
In order for the iPhone to succeed the Palm Pre does not need to fail. In order for the Palm Pre to succeed it does not have to outsell the iPhone. If this kind of thinking was true then Apple Computer must be a failure as it never has & will never outsell all of the competition. My several Macs around here & the 2 laptops & 1 desktop I have planned for purchase within the next 1-2 years means that I do not believe the Mac to be a failure.
If the iPhone is not on Verizon before the Palm Pre is which will be by early next year Verizon will help the Palm sales out. Verizon does really have a good enough SmartPhone at the current time. The Palm Pre or its replacemnt looks as if it can be that needed SmartPhone. Even AT&T that has the iPhone spends a lot of money advertising their other smartphones.
Unless the iPhone all of a sudden changes & proves to be a big piece of junk there is plenty of room for more than 1 smartphone. It seems that you are worrying, so do you know something that the rest of of needs to know?
Competition makes things including computers & smartphones better. Actually that would then make the iPhone better if the Palm Pre succeeds. So iPhone supporters should also be Palm supporters. Than is unless your vote is for a not so good iPhone.
In order for the iPhone to succeed the Palm Pre does not need to fail. In order for the Palm Pre to succeed it does not have to outsell the iPhone. If this kind of thinking was true then Apple Computer must be a failure as it never has & will never outsell all of the competition. My several Macs around here & the 2 laptops & 1 desktop I have planned for purchase within the next 1-2 years means that I do not believe the Mac to be a failure.
If the iPhone is not on Verizon before the Palm Pre is which will be by early next year Verizon will help the Palm sales out. Verizon does really have a good enough SmartPhone at the current time. The Palm Pre or its replacemnt looks as if it can be that needed SmartPhone. Even AT&T that has the iPhone spends a lot of money advertising their other smartphones.
Unless the iPhone all of a sudden changes & proves to be a big piece of junk there is plenty of room for more than 1 smartphone. It seems that you are worrying, so do you know something that the rest of of needs to know?
Competition makes things including computers & smartphones better. Actually that would then make the iPhone better if the Palm Pre succeeds. So iPhone supporters should also be Palm supporters. Than is unless your vote is for a not so good iPhone.
There is no DRM'd music from the iTunes store anymore, but I wouldn't expect and iPod owner to know that.
From what I have seen the only deals on Amazon these days are there loss-leader album sales ($5 albums etc.).
So if you aren't forced to use iTunes and you hate it so much why do you use it?
If I steal your identity and screw up your credit score, etc, that has a forever impact on you.
I think a more appropriate example would be Apple owning a record store which sells the records and allows it's customers to play them there. And I keep trying to build a door in between our buildings and convince the customers to come over to my place and listen to their music at my building.
So I'm not selling music myself, just trying to associate myself with your business, which doesn't do anything but annoy the **** out of you.
The difference is that jailbreaking/unlocking is for your personal use and not for a company to advertise this as a feature to sell more of their product. M$ and Apple have a far more respectful relationship. Palm should grow up.
Who'ssays anyone has a problem? They are voicing an opinion on an article. I'm pretty sure that no one is running around with foam in their mouth. At least I hope so.
So one of the example where Apple has higher priority bugs to work on but blows time having a sandbox war with Palm rather than fix the defects already present.
So far kind of like how these generalized solutions are always referred to i the vague referencing or are just duplicative user interfaces into the iTunes repository.
Don't think any company is trustworthy with monopoly powers. That way it is reasonable to have laws that protect against them. Long term the company will screw the users, because there is no (or dramatically reduced) separation of powers.
Not down with iTunes. Down with non standardized sync interoperatablity for standardize format media. As much as that is iTunes then ... down with iTunes.
Not sure why everyone is defending Apple here
Seriously though, if you bought music and own the rights to it, you should be allowed to put it on whatever f'in device you want...an iphone, ipod, mp3 player, cd, dvd, or a Palm Pre...
I prefer to put mine on an iphone, but I have no problem with people putting it on a Pre.
Seriously, let's not be complete fan boys here...
All the songs are DRM free. There is nothing preventing you from syncing with other devices. It is just easier to do so between Apple products. (One of the selling points) But if you really want to use iTunes to sync, there is always 3rd party program.
I haven't used the store for several years since I got sick of authorization b.s. whenever I had to reformat my windows computer. Regardless, I'd take Mp3 over aac any day so I know that I can play the song on any device without converting it.
You mention that I'm an iPod owner but then ask why do I use iTunes still. Do the math.
You say that as if Palm enabled direct iTunes syncing as post-launch reaction and it did not. Since well before launch it was known that Palm was planning on making the Pre sync directly w/iTunes. Also, the 'news' that Pre is experiencing a high return rate is based on anandotal, unscientific evidence (see my post at #132).
Lethal
Exactly my point.
If you disdain iTunes, there are many other better MP3 players on the market that don't even require sync software to add songs.
And that is exactly the point, you're absolutely correct.
Palm is passing this off as a selling point - a feature. But they don't mention that this "feature" is not only inconsistent in the way it will function (meaning that at some point it win't function at all), but that it's also out of their control. This feature is only fully functional and consistent at Apple's behest. It'll function some of the time. And some of the time it won't. Pre users end up getting the shaft.
Palm is misrepresenting the situation to its customers. Highly irresponsible of them.
omg...
I love how people talk about Apple as if Apple were a human being..
"Apple you're so ridiculous..."
"Apple is being immature"
"Apple doesn't care..."
How come Palm never set up iTunes syncing for any of it's previous devices? The ITMS has been out for awhile, how come did not give it's user base such a convenient form of music syncing until now?"
Oh, wait let me guess, Apple releases a new cell phone in Palms own 15+ year old turf...
Palm, go back and give your users what you should have provided all along... INNOVATION"
Apple fires on all cannons and suddenly the technology industries want to take what isn't theirs?... go figure. losers.
iLogic
I love how people talk about Apple as if Apple were a human being..
"Apple you're so ridiculous..."
"Apple is being immature"
"Apple doesn't care..."
How come Palm never set up iTunes syncing for any of it's previous devices? The ITMS has been out for awhile, how come did not give it's user base such a convenient form of music syncing until now?"
Oh, wait let me guess, Apple releases a new cell phone in Palms own 15+ year old turf...
Palm, go back and give your users what you should have provided all along... INNOVATION"
Apple fires on all cannons and suddenly the technology industries want to take what isn't theirs?... go figure. losers.
iLogic
I've talked with people who say that the biggest negative aspect to the Iphone or Ipods is that you need to run Itunes.
To many Windows users, Itunes has a worse reputation for bloat than Vista.
And to the many Windows users who like Vista, Itunes is just pure bloat.
I can't beleive this bothers so many people.
Does it piss off people when a user imports songs into itunes that weren't bought from Apple?
If I were apple I would fully support it and simply ask Palm to allow for a syncs with itunes on the box. that is some great advertising if you as me.
Apple supports Palm syncs and iTunes gets free advertisements. Palm users get to use iTunes and make purchases. Holy cow a win win for everyone. Except for the most of the posters here.
Does it piss off people when a user imports songs into itunes that weren't bought from Apple?
If I were apple I would fully support it and simply ask Palm to allow for a syncs with itunes on the box. that is some great advertising if you as me.
Apple supports Palm syncs and iTunes gets free advertisements. Palm users get to use iTunes and make purchases. Holy cow a win win for everyone. Except for the most of the posters here.