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webOS is a fantastic platform. Horrific advertising and shoddy hardware nullified the OS. Palm killed themselves.

Yep. Knew a lot of people who enjoyd the OS but the lackluster resulted in returns.

WebOs is so great, shame its failing because

1. Hardware sucks -- seriously almost no one likes the tiny tiny keyboard they used.

2. One carrier launch

3. Really bad marketing

Agreed. Electing to launch exclusively on a dying carrier was their biggest mistake. If they had launched on Verizon they could have prolonged the inevitable.
 
Palm Quote about Smartphone Competition (Nov 2006)

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan apparently laughed about with John Markoff last Thursday morning. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

Link (Engadget)
 
Apple should buy Palm

I would love Apple to aquire Palm, and only for one reason. I had a Palm Centro (not any more, have iphone now). but if Apple did aquire Palm then Apple would have to (well maybe not have to, but would be advisable) to honor the exisiting Palm contracts. In a sense, that would better position Apple as an "already in progress" way of bringing the iphone (or a new iphone like device that still ran the iphone OS and attached to the app store) to Sprint, Verizon, etc (basically all carriers that already have Palm smartphone contracts). This would not break AT&T exclusive contract as I know of, as the iphone would still be with AT&T and a new iphone like (but a little different looking - maybe a real keyboard like the centro for those complaining of the virtual keyboard).

Think about it.... If Apple was to do this, then more iphones (or iphone similar smart phones) would be sold on networks where people don't live in an AT&T area or those who just do not like AT &T.

Apple could aquire Palm for cheap, and then reap the benefits of adding all the other cell phone networks and sell more hardware, apps in the app store, etc.
 
The same thing was said when HTC started making their own branded phones, after being the manufacturer for other companies for years. Didn't stop others from still using them. It actually helped their design reputation hugely.

Then there were worries about HTC making Android phones while still making WinMo phones. Again, no problem.

The fact is, there is no one mobile OS that fits all needs. HTC does not need to limit itself to only WM or WP7 or Android phones. Being the supplier of all those plus WebOS could only be good for them. Not to mention getting Palm's patents.

Exactly, HTC was a virtual unknown until a couple years ago. Now it's gaining recognition among the general public.
 
Apple should buy Palm to lock in all the Patents.

The cheapest solution would of course be for Apple, Google and some others to throw a few million dollars together to buy all the Palm patents and not let them fall in the hands of some patent troll.
 
I remember when people on this site when shoving this phone down people's throat as an iphone killer for months, damn how time flies by.
I yeah I remember them days like they were yesterday. Hey, they were!
LOL!
I said 4 months ago Palm was going to go down before summer 2010 and I was right. But I wasn't the only one. No way.
Let HTC buy Palm. Who cares. Apple drops ONE new phone just ONCE a year. HTC, so far, can't do that. I also see the death of HTC in the near future. They'll iterate themselves into obscurity.
They don't have the ecosystem like Apple. The support ,etc. Nothing. HTC is an EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK PHONE MAKER.
No one can fill Apple's shoes. Not HTC not Sony. No one.

Creeping off topic, why the he** didn't Sony, after seeing the ipod touches ability at web surfing, upgrade the psp's internet abilities? This is what I'm talking about! It has been 2 years since the touch came out and Sony STILL hasn't answered with at least a useful browser on the psp. The psp sucks b**** on the on the internet.
Well, Bono and the family got out just in time. Hell, he and his investment group were there at Palm for that quick and dirty cash anyway. And Rubinstein... I don't want to even rip into his sorry a**.
 
Creeping off topic, why the he** didn't Sony, after seeing the ipod touches ability at web surfing, upgrade the psp's internet abilities? This is what I'm talking about! It has been 2 years since the touch came out and Sony STILL hasn't answered with at least a useful browser on the psp. The psp sucks b**** on the on the internet.
Well, Bono and the family got out just in time. Hell, he and his investment group were there at Palm for that quick and dirty cash anyway. And Rubinstein... I don't want to even rip into his sorry a**.

lol dang man that was off topic, but i don't think that the ipod touch is what Sony should be worried about, the dsi is their "real competition" (actually dsi is so far ahead its not, but they are of the same handheld class), and dsi has a browser that is better than psp lol, and its nintendo... but seriously Sony can die and no one would miss it, they can go along with palm fo realz, everything they make is sub par to another brand anyway, and they still think they are the best.
DOWN WITH SONY!
 
Sense UI is not a standalone OS. hTC is doing great with Android and WM, but both OS are not owned by hTC. By acquiring Palm and WebOS, hTC will have an OS to call its own. Palm WebOS is an advanced platform and hTC makes excellent hardware (this year alone hTC release Desire, Legend, N1, Incredible and EVO). Their lineup is very impressive, and of course Apple view them as a direct threat.

Hopefully hTC end up buying Palm, WebOS and its vast patent profolio. Then we can only hope either Apple withdraws the lawsuit or hTC countersues.
Keep dreaming! You just dropped the names of at least 4 phones HTC has released this year. But Apple has only released just 1. And in the past 3 years Apple has had only 3 iphones. Go to HTC's website and you'll see like 3 DOZEN HTC phones.
 
You do realize that Androids marketshare doubled last year; from only like 1.7% to 3.5%. RIM has shown more growth than Android. It wasn't simply Android that kiled them but all the major smartphones. Keep in mind WM also lost huge in marketshare the past year. Android has shown gaining popularity, they've hardly made a dent in the marketplace.

Its easy to post large percentage gains from the bottom of the ladder. Doesn't take much to go from 1% to 2% or 2% to 4%.
Every additional fraction of a percentage becomes harder and harder.
Google will meet their wall when they butt up against the demands of support for a consumer product. They're great at throwing out cool ideas and never-ending betas, but being a responsive consumer product provider takes a whole level of skills that Google doesn't have (and Apple does.)
And if the response is, "Well, its up to the handset makers to provide support", then Apple is even better positioned. Ever try to get direct support from any handset provider?

In short, Android on phones will plateau due to its hobbiest roots.
 
So far as I know Palm has been hanging in there since about 2002. Nothing they've done since the Tungsten T series has been remarkable or ahead of it's time. I had a Palm m130 with a keyboard and wirelesss 802.11b adapter, it was the ****. Rest in Piece Palm people.

No, I do believe that up until sometime in 2006 that Palm had over 50% market share of the smartphone market.
 
MacRumors should buy Palm. :)

What would Arn do with it? I mean c'mon I hated looking at Macrumors and other websites when I had the Palm Centro. web browsing on it was just horrible and did not even render correctly. at least my iphone shows the site correctly, even if I have to pinch/zoom and scroll all over the place.

No, Macrumors needs to come up with an app or a version specifically for us who look at this website on our iphones most of the time.
 
Latecomer. I had the original Palm Pilot, almost the week it came out.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

Haha. Let's see... I think I owned a Palm Pilot Professional (bought used) at some point or other, but while the world was going through those models, I was stuck with a Sharp SE-500 (which was pretty cool in its own little way). Next I owned a Handspring Visor Deluxe (and even had the phone module for it for a while), then I upgraded to a Sony CLIE. The Palm Tx was the last of my forays into the Palm OS world. I actually used it quite a bit until spring 2007 when I moved to a new house and lost it somewhere during the move. I didn't find it again until just a few months ago...!
 
There's been a lot of rumors lately about Nokia maybe buying Palm. Started around January this year. Nokia has been struggling with the US market for years and this would open a way in.

Sad to see Palm fall like this though, I still use my Palm V few times a month.
 
The same thing was said when HTC started making their own branded phones, after being the manufacturer for other companies for years. Didn't stop others from still using them. It actually helped their design reputation hugely.

Then there were worries about HTC making Android phones while still making WinMo phones. Again, no problem.

The fact is, there is no one mobile OS that fits all needs. HTC does not need to limit itself to only WM or WP7 or Android phones. Being the supplier of all those plus WebOS could only be good for them. Not to mention getting Palm's patents.

You could be right but it sounds like a potentially huge mess.

If WebOS is successful I could see MS or Google getting upset over this. MS could decide to remove their OS from HTC hardware or HTC could make a deal with Bing which may anger Google. They could anger both if they reserve their best hardware for their own software.

If WebOS isn't successful HTC will have sunk a lot of money in hardware and software development into a failing product. As of right now, HTC may be good at skinning UIs, but they have little experience in developing a full OS. Who knows how many of Palm's engineers would remain after the acquisition.


It almost sounds like a "Sony" kind of move. Sony was doing so many different things at once that many of their offerings became uninspired. What made a company like Apple as successful as they are is being focused. The same goes for RIM.
 
Think about it.... If Apple was to do this, then more iphones (or iphone similar smart phones) would be sold on networks where people don't live in an AT&T area or those who just do not like AT &T.

First, Palm has $400m (edit) in debt. This will still be owed no matter what stock price Apple could buy Palm at.

Second, if AT&T exclusivity ends this year, Apple could spend next to nothing and offer the iPhone to other carriers without Palm.

I think the only valid argument would be to get Palm's patents. But, Apple is feeling pretty confident with its existing portfolio.
 
Because Apple doesn't feel threatened by palm. It seems like they are much more scared of HTC and Android than they were of palm because it wasn't cutting in to their iPhone sales. I'm not sure what the numbers are for HTCs phones. Are those sales comparable to the iPhone?

Apple left Palm alone probably because their implementation of touch-based tech doesn't infringe on Apple's implementation.
 
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I for one am sorry to see them go. I'd have a pre plus if the iPhone weren't an option. I think webOS is great, but they couldn't get the hardware to match it, the apps that iPhone os or android have, or even decent marketing. I hope someone buys palm and keeps webOS alive.
 
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