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Part II - UDP For Life

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JulesJam said:
Did you AOL the line the same day it was created?

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They don't have that option when you do an AOL - the only way to cancel w/o an etf is to return the device that was purchased with the line w/in 14 days.

If she AOLed the line into an account with a ME plan, they merge the lines into the ME plan and that drops the UDP.

I don't believe the texts or the data plan shows up on the paperwork when you AOL a line - it just says the plan name with the base price of the plan. So for instance, the 30 minute loyalty plan with UDP will show $15 30 min loyalty.
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i did accept aol of NW share plan to ME share plan. make sure ME converted to NW plan. it will be 9.99 access fee + tiered data plan for that ME plan.

yeah, person on the other side will only see voice plan during aol agreement acceptance. i had 2 guys cancelled the AOL and another guy cancelled since Barbara gave him free $45 plan.

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daboybk said:
If the feature was in the terms I would've never mentioned it to the rep as you caused attention to the entire situation. They aren't allowed to change anything themselves. If the system ported it over then its there.
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CSR are trained to re "up" your plan. they will tell 30 mins is not enough and will change to 450 Tlk and txt.
 
Would esn of phone that you guys gotten form apple.com be black listed if the person who aol line dont pay a bill and eft fee ?
 
maestroX2 said:
CSR are trained to re "up" your plan. they will tell 30 mins is not enough and will change to 450 Tlk and txt.
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I always tell people the AOL reps will try to upsell them on the minutes so be firm that there are no changes to the plan or you won't accept the line.

Did they actually change people from the 30 minue loyalty plan to the NW 450 plan w/o their consent? I never had anyone report that to me.

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markyr17 said:
Yes, it "should" be blacklisted in that case
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I called Verizon on that and they told me that it would not b/c if someone doesn't pay their bill they are disconnected and charge the etf and the etf covers the subsidy.

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tritron said:
Would esn of phone that you guys gotten form apple.com be black listed if the person who aol line dont pay a bill and eft fee ?
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I also was told by Verizon that the last active phones on the account may be blacklisted if they have to go into collections on the etf but not phones that aren't active on the account any more.

Yet another reason I do not AOL a line with my phone on the line. I just won't do it.
 
Has anyone been able to change from the loyalty plan back to the 450 minute plan and back again?

I converted both my lines to the loyalty plan since I didn't think I needed any more UDP lines and now my wife is saying she wants another line to use when traveling. Since I can't add another UDP line on apple.com with my line set to the loyalty plan I'd need to see about changing it back, but I don't want to do that if I can't put it back on the loyalty plan after I order another line.
 
maestroX2 said:
yeah, person on the other side will only see voice plan during aol agreement acceptance. i had 2 guys cancelled the AOL and another guy cancelled since Barbara gave him free $45 plan.
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How much were you able to get for the $45/mo plans? Were you doing this locally or on ebay?
 
JulesJam said:
[/COLOR]I called Verizon on that and they told me that it would not b/c if someone doesn't pay their bill they are disconnected and charge the etf and the etf covers the subsidy.
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I misread the question. I thought he was asking if he created a line with apple and UDP, and did an AOL, and sold the phone separately, and then didn't pay the bill. They'd get the ETF and didn't pay that - the phone would get blacklisted.

But I understand now that's he's asking if the buyer doesn't pay their bill does it screw up the phone that was purchased with that line's subsidy.
 
dittman said:
Has anyone been able to change from the loyalty plan back to the 450 minute plan and back again?
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I changed from the 450 to the loyalty and then back to the 450 b/c the person I AOLed to wanted the 450 to create more UDP lines.

dittman said:
I don't want to do that if I can't put it back on the loyalty plan after I order another line.
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It is hit or miss with the reps whether or not they will do it for you. However, search back through the thread as I think a poster had success by activating a basic phone on the line b/f the iPhone was activated and that kept the UDP as well as allowed the rep to put the loyalty plan on the line. But that would only be for the new line. With the old line it is hit or miss.
 
JulesJam said:
I always tell people the AOL reps will try to upsell them on the minutes so be firm that there are no changes to the plan or you won't accept the line.

Did they actually change people from the 30 minue loyalty plan to the NW 450 plan w/o their consent? I never had anyone report that to me.
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I had few "friends" said AOL CSR told them to change to 700 mins NW plan in order UDP to transfer over.:eek: I just told them to try different CSR. :cool:
 
markyr17 said:
But I understand now that's he's asking if the buyer doesn't pay their bill does it screw up the phone that was purchased with that line's subsidy.
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And at least from all I have been told from Verizon as long as the new iPhone never was activated on the account of the person to whom you AOL'ed the line, it would not be blacklisted if the new account owner didn't pay. If any phones were to be blacklisted they would be those that were active on the account when it was disconnected and sent to collections.

So I AOL with a PDI or the buyer's phone on the line and never with any of my phones and certainly not with the iPhone I purchased when I created the line. As an added precaution, I change the phone number on the line b/f I AOL it. I can't wait to see what my bill looks like, lol!
 
JulesJam said:
And at least from all I have been told from Verizon as long as the new iPhone never appeared on the account of the person to whom you AOL'ed the line, it would not be blacklisted if the new account owner didn't pay. If any phones were to be blacklisted they would be those that were active on the account when it was disconnected and sent to collections.
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Right - and that's what I've been told, and honestly, it only makes sense that way.
 
markyr17 said:
Right - and that's what I've been told, and honestly, it only makes sense that way.
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So here is what I do:

1) create UDP line at apple;
2) let it sit active on my account overnight;
3) put iPhone 5s on the line; and
4) change the phone number so that the new iPhone 6 was never associated with the phone number that I AOLed.

Most people who accepted my 700 minute lines changed the phone numbers or ported existing numbers to them b/c they didn't want my area code as a telephone number. Idk if the people who took the $45/mo lines did as they are primarily using them for UDP MHS.

But assuming that they did change the phone numbers, the line would have had 2 phone number changes - 1 by me and 1 by the new line owner. And the original phone number is held by Verizon for 49 days but after that, anyone can take it if they want it when they change their phone number. So I think with all of that phone number changing it would be hard to trace the iPhone 6 back to the line from which the phone originated.
 
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Just got the bill for my subaccount where I kept my "seed" line and what a confusing nightmare!!!!! LOL!

I think I am being charged for next month's service on all of these lines I AOLed even though they are gone from my account. Should I just pay the bill and trust that it will be adjusted properly next month?
 
JulesJam said:
Most people who accepted my 700 minute lines changed the phone numbers or ported existing numbers to them b/c they didn't want my area code as a telephone number. Idk if the people who took the $45/mo lines did as they are primarily using them for UDP MHS.
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So no risk of losing the loyalty or UDP when changing the phone number via online account management? I'm using the UDP sent to me exclusively for data in a Pantech UML290 with Cradlepoint router but was going to change to a local number just to avoid any suspicion/scrutiny. I hadn't done it, yet though, because I didn't want to mess up the plan.
 
brent1977 said:
So no risk of losing the loyalty or UDP when changing the phone number via online account management?
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None whatsoever. It is simply a phone number change it does not affect the plan or the UDP in any way.

brent1977 said:
I'm using the UDP sent to me exclusively for data in a Pantech UML290 with Cradlepoint router but was going to change to a local number just to avoid any suspicion/scrutiny. I hadn't done it, yet though, because I didn't want to mess up the plan.
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it takes 2 minutes of your time to do it.
 
JulesJam said:
Just got the bill for my subaccount where I kept my "seed" line and what a confusing nightmare!!!!! LOL!

I think I am being charged for next month's service on all of these lines I AOLed even though they are gone from my account. Should I just pay the bill and trust that it will be adjusted properly next month?
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Ok just checked and no, it is all of the activation fees that I am being charged.

I was trying to develop a method that both avoided the activation fee and resulted in being able to sell a sealed iPhone but I failed, lol! Here is what I did in case anyone was wondering. It should work to allow you to sell a sealed iPhone but I didn't make $35 more on the sealed units compared to the open units so it is definitely not worth it in that respect.

1) add a UDP line at apple.com;
2) activate an iPhone 5s on the line using a SIM card I had lying around - this step results in the activation fee being charged!;
3) change the phone number on the line; and
4) AOL the line either with a PDI on the line or with the buyer's phone on the line.

So the iPhone 6 SIM card never gets activated on the line, an iPhone 5s with a different SIM card does. That should disassociate the iPhone 6 SIM card from the line. Then I change the phone number on the line as added protection. And of course, I never AOL a line with my phone on it - either a PDI or the buyer's phone are on the line when it goes to the buyer.

Hopefully there won't be any problems with activating the iPhones. I never tested that out, but I believe that you don't have to activate the iPhones on the line they were ordered on for them to activate. The SIM card that is in the iPhone may be no good idk, but the person could get a new SIM card from Verizon if that is true.

The only potential issue I see is if you get a phone that was originally ordered ship to home and returned to the apple store sealed and they reinventory it. Those phones require the last 4 of the SSN of the original buyer and their billing zip code, too. There is no way to know whether or not you got one of those phones unless you open them and try to activate them.
 
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JulesJam said:
2) activate an iPhone 5s on the line using a SIM card I had lying around - this step results in the activation fee being charged!;
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I've been doing that all along, and haven't been charged an activation fee yet. I have been through 2 billing cycles since this started.

Edit: misread that part - I activated just about all of the phones with a 5s using the 6's sim. Still, haven't been charged an activation fee.
 
JulesJam said:
None whatsoever. It is simply a phone number change it does not affect the plan or the UDP in any way.

it takes 2 minutes of your time to do it.
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Ok. Didn't want to screw anything up for something that probably didn't matter.

Should I pop the SIM back into my place-holder phone during the process?

Thanks!
 
tottenj said:
I've been doing that all along, and haven't been charged an activation fee yet. I have been through 2 billing cycles since this started.

Edit: misread that part - I activated just about all of the phones with a 5s using the 6's sim. Still, haven't been charged an activation fee.
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Just to clarify - you took the iPhone 6 SIM card out of the device and used it to activate an iPhone 5s and weren't charged the activation fee? So the iPhone 6 was opened and it's SIM card activated but the iPhone 6 itself was never activated?

What message do you get when you type in the iPhone 6 serial number here:

https://selfsolve.apple.com/agreementWarrantyDynamic.do

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brent1977 said:
Ok. Didn't want to screw anything up for something that probably didn't matter.

Should I pop the SIM back into my place-holder phone during the process?

Thanks!
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I don't see why you would need a phone on the line to change the phone number on the line but I always had a phone on the line when I did it. Even a data only line has a phone number associated with it.
 
JulesJam said:
I don't see why you would need a phone on the line to change the phone number on the line but I always had a phone on the line when I did it. Even a data only line has a phone number associated with it.
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Ok. Had seen others suggest always putting the SIM in a phone rather than hotspot or modem prior to interacting with Verizon. Wasn't sure whether that meant just with reps via phone or chat or whether it meant when making any changes or anything at all.
 
brent1977 said:
Ok. Had seen others suggest always putting the SIM in a phone rather than hotspot or modem prior to interacting with Verizon. Wasn't sure whether that meant just with reps via phone or chat or whether it meant when making any changes or anything at all.
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It's just when you interact with a Verizon rep.
 
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