because you dont want to open the phone to take of the sim? When you take out the sim, isnt the phone technically off the line?
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Part II - UDP For Life
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because you dont want to open the phone to take of the sim? When you take out the sim, isnt the phone technically off the line?
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No. These new UDP lines aren't activated until you activate the iPhones you purchased with the line* on them. Removing a SIM card from a device does not remove the device from the line.
* You may be able to get away with activating another phone on the new UDP line to activate it, idk someone would have to try it. You may screw up the line, too. Lots of people on Slick Deals are getting errors on their UDP lines just doing the BB Method when ordering from apple.com. So many that I have updated the wiki with warnings.
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There's just 2 - last years (OG) and this years (2014)
No, you need the 4G Smartphone Provisional Device ID put on the line b/f you AOL it. THAT gets your phone off of the line.
Or do Marky's trick.
I am not sure where the problem is.
I did a bb first, so my contract is extended.
then for my sis, I did an apple.com. She only kept the phone, i am currently using that line to give birth to little udp babies. That sim card is on my old iphone 5. I havent ran into any problems yet. So maybe that's why I dont understand where the process failed.
Add a new UDP line from apple.com or upgrade a UDP line via apple.com using the BB Method?
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Or you can just put the line on another phone? Isn't that what people have done all these years when aoling lines and selling phones? I've never had to call tech support to put some device Id on the line. Plus you may not have to even do that. You can AOL a line and sell a phone and not do anything. The recipients would just need to get verizon tech for activation purposes
Add a new UDP line from apple.com or upgrade a UDP line via apple.com using the BB Method?
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new udp line. so i kept the line, gave her the phone. but since then, i've been birthing udp babies from her line, my line, and the new udp line.
You mean put another phone on the line. Yes, but still the same problem in that you need the person AOLing the line to put a phone on the line to get your phone off of the line.
Idk what people have done all these years, but I know if you AOL a line with one of your phones on it, the person who receives the line has to put another phone on the line to get your phone off of it. AND your phone will be in their line's device history.
If you activate a new iPhone on a new UDP line, and sell the new iPhone to one person and the new UDP line to another person, the person buying the new iPhone will not be able to put that phone on another Verizon line until the person to whom you AOLed the UDP line puts another phone on that line.
Idk what you mean. The recipient of the iPhone would not be able to get a Verizon rep to take that phone off of someone else's line.
Think about the implications of that if you could - let's say I stole someone's phone. Now I just call Verizon and say, hey I bought this phone and I want you to take it off of it's previous owner's line and put it on my line. Um, no.
i agree with leopard. why is it requirement for the line to have a phone on it? i've been swapping sim in and out of my old iphone 5, so far no problems.
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I have not run into that problem yet. But I also kept the sim card, so somehow I believe I have the possession of the "line." I've always sold the phone first, since it's much easier to rid of than the lines right now.
Think about cnote, 30 lines, 30 phones. He already got rid of all the phones (let's assume), but still has lines. I aol a line from him, only has one iphone 5 with my own number. I pop out my sim, then walk into verizon and say, here's the phone i want to use for my new line. Give me a sim for it. Would that cause a problem in your scenario?
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Try it and see if you don't believe me. Ask one of your friends who is also on Verizon to give you the IMEI of the phone currently on their line and then try to activate that phone on your line and see what happens when you do.
The reason this is not an issue for people is b/c the people receiving the UDP lines by and large want to use them and to use them they need to put a phone on the line. So they do so rather quickly. But if they don't for some reason, then you have a problem.
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B/c the people who AOL the lines put phones on them so they can use them. THAT is what gets your phone off of their line.
Believe what ever you want, but the person who has "possession" (whatever that means to you) of the line is the person whose account the line is in.
So you sold phones that you still show as active on your Verizon line?
The only way someone can use that phone is for them to use it on ATT, TMobile or an international GSM carrier. If you haven't run into problems it is b/c the person buying the phone has not attempted to put the phone on a Verizon line, not b/c I am wrong. They don't have to use the phones on Verizon - that is why the Verizon iPhones sell for so much - they are SIM unlocked and world phones.
But if they were trying to put them on a Verizon line, they would have a problem b/c you still have the phone on your line.
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Your own example doesn't make sense anyway. If someone stole a phone is it not reasonable to assume the original owner will report it and it will be blacklisted so it can't be used on verizon.... And like I said I've never had issues when selling a line or phone and not putting a new phone on the line or what have you. Worst case that has happened recently is the person had to call tech support. All they did was activate the phone for them. I'm not sure what they did but it worked so it's not necessary to put a device id on the line. Would be it ideal to have another phone already on the line before you sell the phone etc? Sure but it's not necessary.
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Like I was asking. If you suspend a line than the phone isn't on any line. Correct? Wouldn't that free up the phone to be put on another line?
Lots of people don't report their phones as stolen the minute they can't find them b/c they think they have just misplaced them. If the person hasn't reported the phone as stolen yet, then it wouldn't be blacklisted.
But there is no sense in discussing this b/c Verizon will not take a phone off of someone else's line and put it on your line. The only way they could do that is to put another phone or the PDI on the other person's line. They can't do that without the other person's billing passcode or last 4 of their SSN.
See you don't even understand that - when you call Verizon the reason the reps ask you for that b/f they can help you with your account is b/c they literally do not have any access to your account until you give them that info. So a rep can't mess with someone else's line without their billing passcode or last 4 of their SSN.
Anyhow, try what I told you to do above and see what happens - ask a friend on Verizon to give you their currently active IMEI number and ask a Verizon rep to put that phone on your line and see what happens.
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If the phone was currently active on your line, tech support could not put it on the other person's line without calling you first to get you to OK them putting a PDI on your line.
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Not according to what I am seeing on my suspended lines and not according to what I am being told by Verizon tech support.
The device is still on the suspended line and all you have to do is reconnect the line and the device will work on that line, no reactivation needed.
There is no sense in discussing this when you can easily prove it to yourself by getting the IMEI of a friend's currently active phone and trying to put it on your line without their involvement.
Like I've said multiple times. I have already proved it because I've sold unlimited lines and phones and never had issues with not replacing a phone on a line before selling the phone. No one has reached out to me saying they had issues activating their phone on their line at all. Have YOU done it personally? Stop relying on what others say and do it yourself. Have you sold any phones and not replaced the phone on the original line it was on? It can be done.
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Just because you see it on your line (suspended line) doesn't mean that someone else can't use the phone on their line. Have you sold a phone that originated on a suspended line?
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Have you never given a phone to a friend to use on their account before you had a phone to replace it on your line? Never had an issue there either.
I just want to point out that I misspoke about what Marky's trick is. His trick is to put the already activated new iPhone SIM card in his current phone and then put his current phone's SIM back in his current phone. That gets the iPhone off of the line he is going to AOL by putting his current phone on 2 lines at one time, which shouldn't be possible but he says it works.
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That doesn't prove anything b/c all it means is that the person receiving the AOLed line put a phone on it quickly and that popped the iPhone off of the line.
There is no sense in discussing this anymore as you don't understand how to prove a point. Try to put a friend's currently active Verizon phone on one of your lines and see what happens. I am done discussing this with you as you don't understand basic things like what constitutes proof of a particular principle. It's a waste of my time trying to educate you on this.
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I think that's what my experience has been. I think you give the little sim card too little credit. I think Verizon is relying on sim card more than what they have in the past.....
I've played swap-a-roo with all my lines (before I knew about suspension...). No problems, with lines, phones..... my old trusty iphone5, must had no less than 5 sim cards popping in and out recently....
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I just want to point out to everyone the simple solution to all of this is what I posted earlier - Verizon reps will put the 4G Smartphone PDI on your line b/f you AOL it to another person. THAT will get the iPhone off of the line so that you don't have to worry about the iPhone being tied to the line you are AOLing.
I hear you. I think leopard and i just dont wanna involve or call verzion unless someone has a gun pointing at my head.
Not at all. You and the other guy are forgetting that Verizon is a CDMA network still and they have a Device Management database for phones.
Verizon is not like a true GSM network where all that matters is an active SIM card. For an LTE only device like the Nexus 7 on Verizon it is different, but not for a phone b/c of the CDMA binaries and the device management database - i.e., the whitelist.
It does work. Referring to your earlier post. Right now I have one iP6 on two separate lines on myverizon. it shouldn't work. But it does. The concern with this is that vzw can drop a udp because I technically don't have a phone on it. But idk if their system is smart enough. Or how long it would take for that to trigger. On that note you can aol a line without a device. The rep can put a placeholder phone. From what they said when I spoke to them many months ago is that the placeholder goes on their so udp stays active and its on their for 14 days allowing the user to purchase a device. Again not sure if the system does it automatically or what.
You have to call Verizon to have the line AOL'ed so just get the AOL rep to put the 4G SP PDI on the line when you AOL it. Problem solved.
I believe you and Marky that his trick works.
Idk, but I did talk to one tech rep who said it was possible it would work but he wasn't sure of the consequences of keeping it that way for very long. The bottom line is that the vast majority of the people receiving the UDP line are ready to use them when they AOL them so they put a phone on them or a MiFi.
Correct, that is what I have been saying - it is the 4G Smartphone Provisional Device ID. That is the safest thing to do.
Ah, gtk that it is 14 days. I have asked and no one could give me the specific time frame.
Update - you cannot suspend a line without billing that has a PDI on it. Also, if someone has a PDI on a line, they need to put a phone on it quickly b/c if they exceed the allowed time, they will trigger an internal review and that will prompt a call from Verizon to get a phone on the line. If you don't, they can cancel the line.
I can't get anyone to quote me that 14 days is the time frame that will trigger the review.
I can't get anyone to quote me that 14 days is the time frame that will trigger the review.
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