Part II - UDP For Life

[JulesJam]

Contract question-

The forum is full of stories about "I went into a corporate store and they changed my UDP to 2GB", etc... as long as you are under contract and current, wouldn't this be considered changes to the term of the contract which would let you demand out without ETF? Makes sense in my head, but wondering if it is true in experience as well.

Yes, as long as you didn't authorize it. But the way the CA reads, you have to object and Verizon has the option of curing that. So what happens is that people have to file an Inactive Pricing Request (IPR) and they get their UDP restored.

The problem is that they have only about 14 days to do it. After that it would have to go up the Verizon corporate food chain even higher to get it back. If you couldn't get it done, then your option would be to terminate the contract and fight Verizon in arbitration over the etf bringing in the Verizon reps as witnesses, etc. to argue that you didn't authorize the change. Obviously not something most people are educated enough to do. But if you were, you could do it.

Moral of this story - AVOID VERIZON STORES LIKE THE PLAGUE IF YOU HAVE A UDP LINE!!!!!!!!

 

[rockstar72]

Porting Questions

I have 5 lines on the 700 Nationwide Talk & Text Shared 700 plan, 1 line with UDP off contract, and 2 other lines off contract. The goal is to add UDP to the two lines not under contract. I have ported one number to Page Plus and it is activated there and shows up on my Page Plus login. But that number still shows on my Verizon account as "This device is suspended."

1) How long does it take before this line does not show on My Verizon ?

2) I assume that I have to wait until it disappears from My Verizon to place my porting order on Apple. Correct ?

3) Can I start this process with the 2nd line now, or should I wait until the first one is completed?

Thanks in advance.

 

[JulesJam]

I have 5 lines on the 700 Nationwide Talk & Text Shared 700 plan, 1 line with UDP off contract, and 2 other lines off contract. The goal is to add UDP to the two lines not under contract. I have ported one number to Page Plus and it is activated there and shows up on my Page Plus login. But that number still shows on my Verizon account as "This device is suspended."

JulianeV just explained what to do yesterday or the day before. Search the thread.

 

[maestroX2]

JulianeV just explained what to do yesterday or the day before. Search the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9bpqgitEyA

I want that DAMN N6 now !!

 

[macman06]

So I AOLed a line to my neighbor last week, took a few attempts but he was able to get it moved over. I was talking to him last night and he mentioned that the agreement he accepted for the assumption stated he had 14 days to back out...if he backs out I guess it would come back to me? Wonder what would happen if I already filled my available lines back up? Anyone have any knowledge of this?

Was thinking of maybe bundling some of my UDP lines with a cheap smartphone and MIFI to maybe make them more attractive (easier unlimited hotspot), but if they really have 14 days to back out I could end up getting the line back and they get a discounted/free MIFI/phone.

 

[JulianeV]

If that was suspended w/o billing that is a huge no-no.

This wasn't an UDP line. I was porting the number out from a ME and porting back in to my sub account with the UDP. The ME line at one point was given a PDI because I didn't have a phone for it. The line then got suspended when I ported to page +. No idea why because with the first line I did, everything went smooth and within 24 hrs I had completed the entire port out port in process without issue. That line however never had a PDI so when I ported out the line automatically got cancelled. Anywho I'm just glad it's tesolved and everyone here is happy with their line.

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So I AOLed a line to my neighbor last week, took a few attempts but he was able to get it moved over. I was talking to him last night and he mentioned that the agreement he accepted for the assumption stated he had 14 days to back out...if he backs out I guess it would come back to me? Wonder what would happen if I already filled my available lines back up? Anyone have any knowledge of this?

Was thinking of maybe bundling some of my UDP lines with a cheap smartphone and MIFI to maybe make them more attractive (easier unlimited hotspot), but if they really have 14 days to back out I could end up getting the line back and they get a discounted/free MIFI/phone.

I just don't get it. What's not to like about an UDP on a reliable network like Verizon. People need to do the math. Numbers don't lie. I was paying over $220 for a miserly 4gb for 3 lines. I'd be "Fighting" with the fam not to go over their data each billing cycle.

I've offered to hook up some family and friends on unlimited data and I'm shocked by the lack of interest. I would be jumping all over it. Oh AND it's not throttled like AT&T.

 

[macman06]

I just don't get it. What's not to like about an UDP on a reliable network like Verizon. People need to do the math. Numbers don't lie. I was paying over $220 for a miserly 4gb for 3 lines. I'd be "Fighting" with the fam not to go over their data each billing cycle.

I've offered to hook up some family and friends on unlimited data and I'm shocked by the lack of interest. I would be jumping all over it. Oh AND it's not throttled like AT&T.

Yep, I would have been willing to break a MORE contract if someone were to offer me a free UPD plan...now I have more than I know what to do with.

I'm worried that eBay is going to end up causing issues with my feedback scores if the buyer gets one of the AOL reps that are less than cooperative. Might be time to just keep bumping my HoFo post from time to time and suspend the lines and wait it out for a bit.

 

[hommer1979]

Does anyone have a lead on someone who will take lines, free of course, that they are willing to share? Msg me privately please.

Message me too please

 

[moreinfoplease]

smartphone on AOL'ed line

Do you need to put a 4g smartphone on the udp line that you AOL or can a 3g smartphone be used?

 

[JulesJam]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9bpqgitEyA

I want that DAMN N6 now !!

I do too but I am so preoccupied with all of these iPhones/UDP lines that it is distracting me!

 

[avoidandroid]

I currently have a single line UDL Nationwide 300 minutes w/ $10 1000 text. I don't see the unlimited option. Do I need to change any part of my plan to see the option and add a line?

 

[JulesJam]

So I AOLed a line to my neighbor last week, took a few attempts but he was able to get it moved over. I was talking to him last night and he mentioned that the agreement he accepted for the assumption stated he had 14 days to back out...

I looked through all of the paperwork that came with my AOL'ed line and all it says is the standard language in the CA - you can cancel the line w/in 14 days without paying the etf IF you return the equipment you purchased with the line. Otherwise you pay the etf.

"If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting this Agreement without having to pay an early termination fee as long as you return, within the applicable return period, any equipment you purchased from us or one of our authorized agents at a discount in connection with your acceptance of this Agreement, but you'll still have to pay for your Service through that date."


The way it looks to me is that unless the person has the ability to return the subsidized phone that was purchased with the line, they can't get out of the etf.

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Do you need to put a 4g smartphone on the udp line that you AOL or can a 3g smartphone be used?

I would not put a 3G sp on the line b/c Verizon codes the UDPs differently depending on whether a 3G or 4G LTE device is on the line due to throttling. When you try to switch to a 4G LTE device from a 3G device you get the message the plans are incompatible and it tries to force you off of UDP. A rep can make the switch for you but then you have a rep looking at a brand new UDP line.

 

[OCMATT]

Are any of you aware of a 30 minute Loyalty Plan? A guy who took one of my UDP's just told me about it. I had told him that the lowest his bill could be using the UDP in an iPad was about $73. He called me back to let me know his bill will be under $50 because Verizon offered to change from 450 min for $39, down to 30 min for $15! I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about it. I called Verizon and they let me have it with a 1 year commitment.

 

[didiee]

Are any of you aware of a 30 minute Loyalty Plan? A guy who took one of my UDP's just told me about it. I had told him that the lowest his bill could be using the UDP in an iPad was about $73. He called me back to let me know his bill will be under $50 because Verizon offered to change from 450 min for $39, down to 30 min for $15! I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about it. I called Verizon and they let me have it with a 1 year commitment.

So it can be on mifi?
What do you say? I don't really use any minutes, just want to use Internet on this line?

 

[JulesJam]

Are any of you aware of a 30 minute Loyalty Plan? A guy who took one of my UDP's just told me about it. I had told him that the lowest his bill could be using the UDP in an iPad was about $73. He called me back to let me know his bill will be under $50 because Verizon offered to change from 450 min for $39, down to 30 min for $15! I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about it. I called Verizon and they let me have it with a 1 year commitment.

That's awesome!!!! Perfect for a MiFi line!!!

 

[OCMATT]

That's awesome!!!! Perfect for a MiFi line!!!

Exactly! $44.99 plus taxes for UDP on my brand new Air 2. My mind was blown!

 

[macman06]

I looked through all of the paperwork that came with my AOL'ed line and all it says is the standard language in the CA - you can cancel the line w/in 14 days without paying the etf IF you return the equipment you purchased with the line. Otherwise you pay the etf.

"If you do accept, you can cancel a line of Service within 14 days of accepting this Agreement without having to pay an early termination fee as long as you return, within the applicable return period, any equipment you purchased from us or one of our authorized agents at a discount in connection with your acceptance of this Agreement, but you'll still have to pay for your Service through that date."


The way it looks to me is that unless the person has the ability to return the subsidized phone that was purchased with the line, they can't get out of the etf.

So other than complaining to eBay I should be clear once the AOL goes through. Thanks again Jules.

 

[maestroX2]

Exactly! $44.99 plus taxes for UDP on my brand new Air 2. My mind was blown!

Damn... that's insane. That'll make UDP worth a lot more than people think.

Anyone knows if you are using VoLTE, will you use your minutes ? I've been trying iP6 with VoLTE. It uses a lot data portion. Average 0.5GB for one day.

 

[tottenj]

Are any of you aware of a 30 minute Loyalty Plan? A guy who took one of my UDP's just told me about it. I had told him that the lowest his bill could be using the UDP in an iPad was about $73. He called me back to let me know his bill will be under $50 because Verizon offered to change from 450 min for $39, down to 30 min for $15! I did a Google search and couldn't find anything about it. I called Verizon and they let me have it with a 1 year commitment.

I have this on 2 dumb phones on a sub account, no data. I didn't realize they could put that on a data plan...Good to know!

 

[JulesJam]

So other than complaining to eBay I should be clear once the AOL goes through. Thanks again Jules.

That's what it looks like to me. Verizon has you accept the CA when you AOL the line and the only way to get out of the contract w/o an etf that I see is to return the subsidized phone within the 14 day return period for the phone. Other than that, the person AOLing the line has to pay the etf.

It's the standard CA - nothing specific to an AOL.

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Anyone knows if you are using VoLTE, will you use your minutes?

According to what I read on AC, VoLTE will use minutes.

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Damn... that's insane. That'll make UDP worth a lot more than people think.

If you have a family share plan though it is still cheaper to have a MiFi or tablet as an added line.

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I have this on 2 dumb phones on a sub account, no data. I didn't realize they could put that on a data plan...Good to know!

Do you know what the name of the plan is?

 

[didiee]

That's what it looks like to me. Verizon has you accept the CA when you AOL the line and the only way to get out of the contract w/o an etf that I see is to return the subsidized phone within the 14 day return period for the phone. Other than that, the person AOLing the line has to pay the etf.

It's the standard CA - nothing specific to an AOL.

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According to what I read on AC, VoLTE will use minutes.

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If you have a family share plan though it is still cheaper to have a MiFi or tablet as an added line.

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Do you know what the name of the plan is?

Loyalty?

 

[tottenj]

Do you know what the name of the plan is?

It just says "Loyalty Plan". We told Verizon we wanted a sub account for the 2 dumb phones on their cheapest plan, and that is what we got. $15/month.

 

[JulesJam]

nvm

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It just says "Loyalty Plan". We told Verizon we wanted a sub account for the 2 dumb phones on their cheapest plan, and that is what we got. $15/month.

thanks so the 30 minute loyalty plan.

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Was thinking of maybe bundling some of my UDP lines with a cheap smartphone and MIFI to maybe make them more attractive (easier unlimited hotspot), but if they really have 14 days to back out I could end up getting the line back and they get a discounted/free MIFI/phone.

Convert the lines into 30 minute loyalty plans with payg texts and UDP for $44.99/mo and sell with a MiFi device. Although I wouldn't have a MiFi device on the line when you AOL it.

 

[tottenj]

nvm

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thanks so the 30 minute loyalty plan.

F#$k, it's a 1 year contract apparently, one of these lines were set to go off contract at the end of November. Now the contract end date on both is Sept 2015.

 

[didiee]

F#$k, it's a 1 year contract apparently, one of these lines were set to go off contract at the end of November. Now the contract end date on both is Sept 2015.

Hahahah. Now you sell mifi with three year pricing plan.