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Apple's marketing of Snow Leopard is both bad PR, especially for longtime customers, and risky.
I smell a class action lawsuit here.​

It's like a total kick in the balls to PowerPC users who paid $129 for Leopard and have late model G5s from the last 2-4 years, many of whom bought Leopard for $129 without knowing it was going to be a dead-end operating system that would only be BUG-FIXED & OPTIMIZED for Intel-ONLY.

It's like saying, "Hey we fixed all the problems in Leopard for Intel users, screw you PowerPC users, you suckers you! Oh but thanks for your $129. Now GET LOST!"

PS: I don't favor such lawsuits btw, as I rarely use my $9 coupons that make millions of dollars for sleazy lawyers, but I do think it's a good possibility considering Apple has broken a 25 year precedent in operating system support for its computers and in effect, prematurely ended the possibility of giving some of the Snow Leopard bug fixes and optimizations to PowerPC users, most of which paid the same $129 for Leopard.

PowerPC is dead and buried. Let it go. It's a favourite complaint of a small niche of Apple users, confined mostly to Mac fan sites. It's insignificant.

Next time don't invest a king's ransom in computer equipment, or otherwise have your employer pick up the costs if you really have a need/use for all that gear.
 
I don't see at as being a big deal, G5 was first introduced late 2004, hardware isn't gonna last forever, I think its ok to drop support for PPC it has been about 5yrs... And besides new hardware comes out very very quickly, Apple themselves are way behind in terms of hardware.. Core 2 Duo was first introduced in 2006, now theres i5's coming along..
 
Why I think it's not legit: back of box (2nd picture) spacing between columns is inconsistent and lacks symmetry. Huge faux pas from a dtp/design perspective, especially from the aesthetes at Apple. High-school newspaper columns are better aligned. Spacing between 1st and 2nd column could be say 1 cm but between 2nd and 3rd columns half of that. Possibly could be due to a local language incorporation, but again, something that appears so jarring and obvious to the eye in such a blurry photo will look even more so in final packaging.

Looks to me just that column 1 has no lines that reach to the edge. Can happen - their won't be 3 separate columns as such, just one big text box split into 3.
 
Originally Posted by neiltc13
I've been using Windows 7 RC for several months and it's brilliant. As I mentioned in another thread, I haven't had any program crashes apart from one time very recently when my copy of Street Fighter IV gave up the ghost when it lost its network connection. The OS itself has been solid ever since I installed it and it's super fast.

I wish that I could say the same about Leopard, but ever since I got that I've seen the spinning beach ball, program crashes ("The application xxx quit unexpectedly") and the dreaded kernel panic WAY too many times.



If I had to rank all of the modern operating systems from the two companies, it would go like this:

1) Windows 7 = OS X Tiger
2) Windows XP SP2+ (but not earlier versions, they were what caused me to buy a Mac in the first place)
3) OS X Leopard
4) Windows Vista SP1+

Now, where does Snow Leopard fit into this list? Can Apple restore my trust and create an OS that is as stable as Tiger?
Totaly agree except, the most stable OS X release was Jaguar (X.2) IMO, I got an awesome 224 days of uptime, can't said those number those days with Leopard. Tiger was pretty unstable at first. But evolved in a good way. Like any OS release from Apple, stay away until X.?.2 or else you're the debugger ;-)

As for Windows, Vista is a nightmare, Windows 7 look pretty solid so far and may really challenge back. I should change machine and I'm holding to see both OS. Will probably go with a Mac and install both ;-) or make an hackintosh.

Tiger ended up being the most stable and fast and feature filled operating system of them all.

If you're a PowerPC user, especially, you really know this due to how much faster the last Tiger version operates in daily use and how stable it is, compared to the bloated and buggier Leopard.
I have all of the same problems mentioned above with Leopard.
Leopard has way too many crashes, spinning beachballs, force quits, and kernal panics still.

I filed at least 8 bug reports to Apple just since 10.5.8 was released with regards to the Safari & Mail programs' spinning beachball/crash problem yet I could run Tiger forever on the same machines. Go figure. Since I have both Leopard and Tiger installed on multiple Macs, we can discount a hardware issue or something specific to my Mac.

The fact that Leopard might never be fixed or optimized for PowerPC users who paid $129 will probably leave a bad taste in many peoples' mouths since it breaks a 25 year Apple precedent of support for Macs just 2-4 years old. Both Tiger and Leopard supported Macs 6-7 years old, Snow Leopard won't.
 
The last G5 model Mac was released in 2005. That's 4 years of support for a machine that is now slower than a modern Mac Mini. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Personally I don't see the problem sticking with Leopard on these PPC machines. It's a good OS. Most of the big architectural changes in SL such as GrandCentral and OpenCL require modern hardware anyway. If there were a large amount of UI changes and enhancements I would have more sympathy for the PPC folks but you're not actually missing out on anything your hardware could take advantage of.

Everything you said is just PowerPC / Snow Leopard myths that are just untrue.

My G5s are faster than most of the 1st generation Intel Macs and cost significantly more.

Sorry, G5s are 64 bit, so Grand Central would work just fine. So would the many Bug fixes.

It's only been 2-3 years since Apple sold the last G5s and is a break with a 25yr Apple tradition of support.

And OpenCL doesn't even work on Intel graphics Macs, that's what like 40-50% of all Snow Leopard-compatible Macs if not more?

Line 'em up and I'll knock 'em down.

I'm like the Mythbusters PowerPC Edition! LOL
 
Tiger ended up being the most stable and fast and feature filled operating system of them all.

If you're a PowerPC user, especially, you really know this due to how much faster the last Tiger version operates in daily use and how stable it is, compared to the bloated and buggier Leopard.
I have all of the same problems mentioned above with Leopard.
Leopard has way too many crashes, spinning beachballs, force quits, and kernal panics still.

I filed at least 8 bug reports to Apple just since 10.5.8 was released with regards to the Safari & Mail programs' spinning beachball/crash problem yet I could run Tiger forever on the same machines. Go figure. Since I have both Leopard and Tiger installed on multiple Macs, we can discount a hardware issue or something specific to my Mac.

The fact that Leopard might never be fixed or optimized for PowerPC users who paid $129 will probably leave a bad taste in many peoples' mouths since it breaks a 25 year Apple precedent of support for Macs just 2-4 years old. Both Tiger and Leopard supported Macs 6-7 years old, Snow Leopard won't.

Have you heard story about a dog and some dancing monkeys?
 
is mindshare an actual metric that equals revenue? I don't think it is,because even if their mindshare" is in desperate need, they are sitting at about 90% market share without even a hint of a drastic change.

Universal licensing + inertia + consumer ignorance = revenue.

That's the MS business model.

And their market share is nothing like it was years ago. So consumers are slowly, albeit, very slowly, waking up. The next 5-10 years should be interesting. Will Windows share drop another 5-10%?

We have Apple in the mix, and going like gangbusters since their move to Intel. Google has declared its intentions. And Linux just won't die.

All of these are contributing factors. Just some of the reasons why Ballmer ends up looking stupid when he opens his mouth. There's only so much you can say to hide the uncomfortable truth that you're running on inertia, imitation, and consumer ignorance. Just keep referring to your faster, nimbler, more compelling competition and throw out phrases like "rounding error" to deflect attention. Except no one's buying it anymore.

Signs of the times:

Windows Market share plunging from 97%+ 3-4 years ago to ~88% currently.

IE webshare plunging substantially in the wake of Firefox and other alternatives.

Overwhelming unit sale market share, but it's now almost entirely at the low end of the market.

Increasing concerns about all of this performance and their lack of focus, plus their underperforming non-core areas (Zune, etc) and no expectation of any real recovery over the next couple of quarters. Due at least in part to no vision and lousy leadership (Ballmer.)

The total failure of their marketing efforts (from Seinfeld to Laptop Hunters), and how this ties in with their free advertising for Apple.

Concerns over Google's Chrome OS (which might put even MS low-end market potential in jeopardy.)

MS' loss of control of the Premium end of the market ($1000+ notebooks), virtually owned by Apple

MS' image as a cheap, bargain-basement brand and an organization past its prime that can no longer innovate, and which depends on the ideas of others to get ahead, but get ahead too late for it to mean much. MS is losing its edge. And fast.


But sure, you can keep shouting "revenue", until there's not much reason to do so. The writing's on the wall.
 
I don't see at as being a big deal, G5 was first introduced late 2004, hardware isn't gonna last forever, I think its ok to drop support for PPC it has been about 5yrs... And besides new hardware comes out very very quickly, Apple themselves are way behind in terms of hardware.. Core 2 Duo was first introduced in 2006, now theres i5's coming along..

Actually, the PowerMac G5 was introduced in 2003.
 
Actually, the PowerMac G5 was introduced in 2003.

The last G5s were discontinued in August 2006 and Apple routinely sells Macs AFTER their discontinuation date to schools and other institutions.

Leopard and Tiger both supported Macs 6-7 years old upon their introduction, if not more.

This is the first time in Apple's history they've released an operating system that only supports Macs 2-3 years old!

Why do people continue to argue this point? I'm right on this.

If you agree that Apple shouldn't support Macs just 2-3 years old, fine.

But otherwise, people need to stop posting all this PowerPC MISINFORMATION, wrong dates, and all these PowerPC technically incapable of running SL myths.

They are just all untrue.
 
its not a box of chocolates , its a tool to use, to get a job done


you don't need fancy packaging to sell a hammer


its the tool ( OS ) that matters ie does it work as intended/ does it do the job

Right. I use the box design to identify the product at the Apple Store. When I get home the box goes on my shelf with my other Apple boxes, likely to never be looked at again.

Did it ever possibly occur to anyone that Apple intends to use both sets of packagings?

Here's my theory on it. ...

Wow. You've done a lot of thinking about this.

Maybe because only iTunes 9 will be 64-bit, and it will be announced in September?

For real? That would be too bad. I use my PM G4 as my iTunes server, and I don't intend to change that for a long time.
 
Don't care about the packaging. Funny how there's 21 pages of comments devoted to the plastic the software is delivered in.
 
AKA:


notifyme_box20090608.jpg

I like the old one better. But then Im a fan of Abstract art. Just look at my Wallpaper.

http://www.vistawallpaper.org/vista-wallpapers/abstract.jpg
 
The last G5s were discontinued in August 2006 and Apple routinely sells Macs AFTER their discontinuation date to schools and other institutions.

Leopard and Tiger both supported Macs 6-7 years old upon their introduction, if not more.

This is the first time in Apple's history they've released an operating system that only supports Macs 2-3 years old!

Why do people continue to argue this point? I'm right on this.

If you agree that Apple shouldn't support Macs just 2-3 years old, fine.

But otherwise, people need to stop posting all this PowerPC MISINFORMATION, wrong dates, and all these PowerPC technically incapable of running SL myths.

They are just all untrue.

I wasn't wrong. The PM G5 was introduced in June 2003. WWDC, IIRC.
 
I wasn't wrong. The PM G5 was introduced in June 2003. WWDC, IIRC.

Introduction date is so irrelevant. Whey do people keep posting this stuff?

Leopard & Tiger supported Macs 6-7 years old.

Snow Leopard doesn't support Macs 2-3 years old and doesn't even fully support Macs 1-2 years old.

This is a FACT, period.

It's just a bad change in Apple policy of support in my opinion from a company that is filthy rich in cash at at time when every other company is in trouble and the economy is bad.

And its bad PR kicking your most loyal customers when they are least likely to be able to purchase a new Mac.

What, they don't have the money to support their machines anymore?

It's just plain wrong.
 
Introduction date is so irrelevant. Whey do people keep posting this stuff?

Leopard & Tiger supported Macs 6-7 years old.

Snow Leopard doesn't support Macs 2-3 years old and doesn't even fully support Macs 1-2 years old.

This is a FACT, period.

So what. Apple has to make the transition some time. They've chosen to drop all that PowerPC baggage.

LOL, deal with it already. These PowerPC arguments are getting so old, and they're more irrelevant day by day. NO ONE CARES. Complaining about it won't solve anything. It won't affect Apple. It won't bring back PowerPC support. And there is no mass movement in support of bringing it back, either. You're on your own.

If you're unsatisfied, then just move to Windows 7 and save us the pain of having to scroll through your posts.

Bad PR? It certainly doesn't show. Apple is selling more Macs than ever, and customers couldn't be happier. PowerPC doesn't even figure on the radar. Dollars-to-donuts the average Mac user of today doesn't even know what a PowerPC is. And if they did, they wouldn't care.

Your "loyalty", by the way, is no more or less than mine is, or anyone else's, for that matter.

And please stop spamming the boards ad nauseum with your "woe is me, no support for PowerPC" crying. Did you notice that no one else really cares?
 
Leopard and Tiger both supported Macs 6-7 years old upon their introduction, if not more.

This is the first time in Apple's history they've released an operating system that only supports Macs 2-3 years old!

BZZZZT.. You're wrong, thanks for playing.

This is actually the 2nd time. The first time being in 1998 with Mac OS 8.5.

This is what transitions are. You can't support bi-architecture forever if you're hoping to move forward into the new architecture.

And btw, Grand Central is about multi-core support, not 64 bit. Sure the last G5s were also multi-core and as such could profit from Grand Central, but you still got it wrong there too... so stop thinking you know everything and others don't, because you've been wrong a few times on this page already.

Be humble. Class-action lawsuit material this ain't.
 
I wasn't wrong. The PM G5 was introduced in June 2003. WWDC, IIRC.

But that's like equating all Macbooks with the one that came out in 2006, without differentiating the numerous updated models that have followed.

In fact the 2.5 GHz quad-core PM G5 was announced in October 2005, with November delivery. And it was sold for probably a year after that, even after the introduction of the Mac Pro because key applications were not ported to the Intel architecture at the time the MP debuted.

It's true that all HW becomes obsolete at some point. But there are legitimate points to be made on both sides of the timing of this move.
 
BZZZZT.. You're wrong, thanks for playing.

This is actually the 2nd time. The first time being in 1998 with Mac OS 8.5.

This is what transitions are. You can't support bi-architecture forever if you're hoping to move forward into the new architecture.

And btw, Grand Central is about multi-core support, not 64 bit. Sure the last G5s were also multi-core and as such could profit from Grand Central, but you still got it wrong there too... so stop thinking you know everything and others don't, because you've been wrong a few times on this page already.

Be humble. Class-action lawsuit material this ain't.

He's just pissed because he spent a fortune on PowerPC gear years ago and he feels like he's losing his investment. It was something like $10,000+. It was in a thread like 2 months ago.
 
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