Apple's marketing of Snow Leopard is both bad PR, especially for longtime customers, and risky.
I smell a class action lawsuit here.
It's like a total kick in the balls to PowerPC users who paid $129 for Leopard and have late model G5s from the last 2-4 years, many of whom bought Leopard for $129 without knowing it was going to be a dead-end operating system that would only be BUG-FIXED & OPTIMIZED for Intel-ONLY.
It's like saying, "Hey we fixed all the problems in Leopard for Intel users, screw you PowerPC users, you suckers you! Oh but thanks for your $129. Now GET LOST!"
PS: I don't favor such lawsuits btw, as I rarely use my $9 coupons that make millions of dollars for sleazy lawyers, but I do think it's a good possibility considering Apple has broken a 25 year precedent in operating system support for its computers and in effect, prematurely ended the possibility of giving some of the Snow Leopard bug fixes and optimizations to PowerPC users, most of which paid the same $129 for Leopard.
Why I think it's not legit: back of box (2nd picture) spacing between columns is inconsistent and lacks symmetry. Huge faux pas from a dtp/design perspective, especially from the aesthetes at Apple. High-school newspaper columns are better aligned. Spacing between 1st and 2nd column could be say 1 cm but between 2nd and 3rd columns half of that. Possibly could be due to a local language incorporation, but again, something that appears so jarring and obvious to the eye in such a blurry photo will look even more so in final packaging.
Originally Posted by neiltc13
I've been using Windows 7 RC for several months and it's brilliant. As I mentioned in another thread, I haven't had any program crashes apart from one time very recently when my copy of Street Fighter IV gave up the ghost when it lost its network connection. The OS itself has been solid ever since I installed it and it's super fast.
I wish that I could say the same about Leopard, but ever since I got that I've seen the spinning beach ball, program crashes ("The application xxx quit unexpectedly") and the dreaded kernel panic WAY too many times.
If I had to rank all of the modern operating systems from the two companies, it would go like this:
1) Windows 7 = OS X Tiger
2) Windows XP SP2+ (but not earlier versions, they were what caused me to buy a Mac in the first place)
3) OS X Leopard
4) Windows Vista SP1+
Now, where does Snow Leopard fit into this list? Can Apple restore my trust and create an OS that is as stable as Tiger?
Totaly agree except, the most stable OS X release was Jaguar (X.2) IMO, I got an awesome 224 days of uptime, can't said those number those days with Leopard. Tiger was pretty unstable at first. But evolved in a good way. Like any OS release from Apple, stay away until X.?.2 or else you're the debugger ;-)
As for Windows, Vista is a nightmare, Windows 7 look pretty solid so far and may really challenge back. I should change machine and I'm holding to see both OS. Will probably go with a Mac and install both ;-) or make an hackintosh.
The last G5 model Mac was released in 2005. That's 4 years of support for a machine that is now slower than a modern Mac Mini. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Personally I don't see the problem sticking with Leopard on these PPC machines. It's a good OS. Most of the big architectural changes in SL such as GrandCentral and OpenCL require modern hardware anyway. If there were a large amount of UI changes and enhancements I would have more sympathy for the PPC folks but you're not actually missing out on anything your hardware could take advantage of.
Tiger ended up being the most stable and fast and feature filled operating system of them all.
If you're a PowerPC user, especially, you really know this due to how much faster the last Tiger version operates in daily use and how stable it is, compared to the bloated and buggier Leopard.
I have all of the same problems mentioned above with Leopard.
Leopard has way too many crashes, spinning beachballs, force quits, and kernal panics still.
I filed at least 8 bug reports to Apple just since 10.5.8 was released with regards to the Safari & Mail programs' spinning beachball/crash problem yet I could run Tiger forever on the same machines. Go figure. Since I have both Leopard and Tiger installed on multiple Macs, we can discount a hardware issue or something specific to my Mac.
The fact that Leopard might never be fixed or optimized for PowerPC users who paid $129 will probably leave a bad taste in many peoples' mouths since it breaks a 25 year Apple precedent of support for Macs just 2-4 years old. Both Tiger and Leopard supported Macs 6-7 years old, Snow Leopard won't.
is mindshare an actual metric that equals revenue? I don't think it is,because even if their mindshare" is in desperate need, they are sitting at about 90% market share without even a hint of a drastic change.
I don't see at as being a big deal, G5 was first introduced late 2004, hardware isn't gonna last forever, I think its ok to drop support for PPC it has been about 5yrs... And besides new hardware comes out very very quickly, Apple themselves are way behind in terms of hardware.. Core 2 Duo was first introduced in 2006, now theres i5's coming along..
Except the platypus isn't extinct...![]()
Actually, the PowerMac G5 was introduced in 2003.
its not a box of chocolates , its a tool to use, to get a job done
you don't need fancy packaging to sell a hammer
its the tool ( OS ) that matters ie does it work as intended/ does it do the job
Did it ever possibly occur to anyone that Apple intends to use both sets of packagings?
Here's my theory on it. ...
Maybe because only iTunes 9 will be 64-bit, and it will be announced in September?
Did you install this ?
If you DID install from this particular DVD, mind posting a pic of the build number from "about this Mac" ?
AKA:
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I did hold it down and still says nothing. I have a Core 2 Duo 2.4
It should support 64-Bit.
This shows a little bit more of the box, barcode and stuff.
Anyone wanna try to figure out whats written on the bottom of the box ?
Its a little blurry....
Its looks like "MAC OS X 10.6 RETAIL"
Click thumb to enlarge
The last G5s were discontinued in August 2006 and Apple routinely sells Macs AFTER their discontinuation date to schools and other institutions.
Leopard and Tiger both supported Macs 6-7 years old upon their introduction, if not more.
This is the first time in Apple's history they've released an operating system that only supports Macs 2-3 years old!
Why do people continue to argue this point? I'm right on this.
If you agree that Apple shouldn't support Macs just 2-3 years old, fine.
But otherwise, people need to stop posting all this PowerPC MISINFORMATION, wrong dates, and all these PowerPC technically incapable of running SL myths.
They are just all untrue.
I wasn't wrong. The PM G5 was introduced in June 2003. WWDC, IIRC.
Complain to the admins. they started this topic.
Introduction date is so irrelevant. Whey do people keep posting this stuff?
Leopard & Tiger supported Macs 6-7 years old.
Snow Leopard doesn't support Macs 2-3 years old and doesn't even fully support Macs 1-2 years old.
This is a FACT, period.
Leopard and Tiger both supported Macs 6-7 years old upon their introduction, if not more.
This is the first time in Apple's history they've released an operating system that only supports Macs 2-3 years old!
I wasn't wrong. The PM G5 was introduced in June 2003. WWDC, IIRC.
BZZZZT.. You're wrong, thanks for playing.
This is actually the 2nd time. The first time being in 1998 with Mac OS 8.5.
This is what transitions are. You can't support bi-architecture forever if you're hoping to move forward into the new architecture.
And btw, Grand Central is about multi-core support, not 64 bit. Sure the last G5s were also multi-core and as such could profit from Grand Central, but you still got it wrong there too... so stop thinking you know everything and others don't, because you've been wrong a few times on this page already.
Be humble. Class-action lawsuit material this ain't.