Photos of Snow Leopard Disc and Retail Packaging?

[HyperZboy]

So what. Apple has to make the transition some time. They've chosen to drop all that PowerPC baggage.

LOL, deal with it already. These PowerPC arguments are getting so old, and they're more irrelevant day by day. NO ONE CARES. Complaining about it won't solve anything. It won't affect Apple. It won't bring back PowerPC support. And there is no mass movement in support of bringing it back, either. You're on your own.

If you're unsatisfied, then just move to Windows 7 and save us the pain of having to scroll through your posts.

Bad PR? It certainly doesn't show.

And your "loyalty" is no more or less than mine is, or anyone else's, for that matter.

And please stop spamming the boards ad nauseum with your "woe is me, no support for PowerPC" crying. Did you notice that no one else really cares?

The transition to what? Spamming?

Fully supporting less than 50% of their user base or only machines 1-2 years old?

I'm sorry my opinion offends the fanboi geeks, oh well.

I'm not spamming anything, I'm just shooting down one argument after another with stunning precision and other PowerPC users have complained too in various threads.

Some PowerPC users here avoid the Snow Leopard threads knowing they've been dumped by Apple.
Other Mac users are not fanboi geek types and are not on these boards, so they probably don't even know yet that they can't use Snow Leopard ever yet.

I think it's a valid discussion since its breaks 25 YEARS of Apple's tradition of support!

 

[*LTD*]

The transition to what? Spamming?

Fully supporting less than 50% of their user base or only machines 1-2 years old?

I'm sorry my opinion offends the fanboi geeks, oh well.

I'm not spamming anything, I'm just shooting down one argument after another with stunning precision and other PowerPC users have complained too in various threads.

Some PowerPC users here avoid the Snow Leopard threads knowing they've been dumped by Apple.
Other Mac users are not fanboi geek types and are not on these boards, so they probably don't even know yet that they can't use Snow Leopard ever yet.

I think it's a valid discussion since its breaks 25 YEARS of Apple's tradition of support!

Zzzzzz . . .

I really don't see any "stunning precision" in having a conversation with yourself.

You trotted out these lamentations months ago, and you STILL haven't gotten over them.

So tell us, what are you going to do NOW? What are you going to do now that PowerPC is NEVER coming back? What re you going to do now that there is no significant movement to bring it back? What are you going to do now that Apple is experiencing ZERO PR and sales issues from dropping PowerPC support?

 

[KnightWRX]

He's just pissed because he spent a fortune on PowerPC gear years ago and he feels like he's losing his investment. It was something like $10,000+. It was in a thread like 2 months ago.

I bet he is. However, one thing he probably doesn't realise that you and I both do, is that is G5 tower won't magically stop working in a month. It'll do everything it does today. He'll still get software updates for a while and basically, if the thing does fit his needs I don't see why not being able to run Snow Leopard is even a big deal to begin with.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Its and animal with a duck bill that lays eggs... Only in Austraaaaalia mate.

Since when is a duck not an animal? Better question: since when do ducks not lay eggs???

 

[bed]

The transition to what? Spamming?

I'm sorry my opinion offends the fanboi geeks, oh well.

I'm not spamming anything, I'm just shooting down one argument after another with stunning precision and other PowerPC users have complained too in various threads.

Every single SL thread you have a whinge. We get it, you're not happy. Good luck with your class lawsuit, from all the people agreeing with you here you'll be sitting in court by yourself with no one else in your class.
**** now please.

 

[KnightWRX]

I'm not spamming anything, I'm just shooting down one argument after another with stunning precision and other PowerPC users have complained too in various threads

Stunning precision ? You've been wrong twice already on 1 page (the m68k->PPC transition being the first time Apple pulled this stunt and Grand Central is not a 64 bit thing, it's a multi-core thing).

So much for "stunning precision".

The m68k->PPC transition went the same way this PPC->Intel transition is going. The OS is only support machines that are 2-3 years old, because 2-3 years is normal as far as LTS goes (long term support).

As for not support Macs that are 1-2 years old fully, should they keep OpenCL on the back burners because not all new Macs support it ? I like the fact that my 13" Macbook will be able to use it and that it is included thank you very much.

 

[HyperZboy]

BZZZZT.. You're wrong, thanks for playing.

This is actually the 2nd time. The first time being in 1998 with Mac OS 8.5.

This is what transitions are. You can't support bi-architecture forever if you're hoping to move forward into the new architecture.

And btw, Grand Central is about multi-core support, not 64 bit. Sure the last G5s were also multi-core and as such could profit from Grand Central, but you still got it wrong there too... so stop thinking you know everything and others don't, because you've been wrong a few times on this page already.

Be humble. Class-action lawsuit material this ain't.

Sorry, you're wrong on MacOS 8.5. I know, I used it.
Yes, Apple technically didn't support some older Macs officially with certain PowerPC upgrades because that would be a legal issue and they could never guarantee it, but almost all of those mentioned as not being supported worked just fine with MacOS 8.5 if you upgraded.
If you remember correctly your Apple history, you'd know that PowerPC processor upgrades were all the rage back then, and yes, they all worked with MacOS 8.5.

And it appears you said I'm wrong on Grand Central even though you told me I'm right.
I'm confused there. I know lots of G5s were not multi-core, but that still doesn't prove me wrong. And yes Snow Leopard is very much about 64 bit and all G5s are 64bit, so its a valid point. People keep constantly making all these comments about PowerPC like its technically incapable of running Snow Leopard.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ONLY BY APPLE'S CHOICE!​

Apple has the money and resources to release the BUG-FIX/OPTIMIZATION operating system release known as Snow Leopard to PowerPC customers. There are no technical reasons it couldn't be done and it should be done. In fact Apple probably has a PowerPC internal build of SL. I'd bet money on it.

I think that sums it up in a nutshell.


PS: I once installed TIGER on a PowerMac 8500! LOL

 

[MikeLord]

And please stop spamming the boards ad nauseum with your "woe is me, no support for PowerPC" crying. Did you notice that no one else really cares?

Damn, don't pull any punches now.

 

[KnightWRX]

Sorry, you're wrong on MacOS 8.5. I know, I used it.
Yes, Apple technically didn't support some older Macs officially with certain PowerPC upgrades because that would be a legal issue and they could never guarantee it, but almost all of those mentioned as not being supported worked just fine with MacOS 8.5 if you upgraded.
If you remember correctly your Apple history, you'd know that PowerPC processor upgrades were all the rage back then, and yes, they all worked with MacOS 8.5.

MacOS 8.5 dropped m68k support entirely. The powerbook 280 released in 1995 couldn't run MacOS 8.5.

If you ran it on a PPC machine, how could you even know of the m68k people's plight ?

Heck, MacOS 8.1 dropped support for anything other than PPC and the 68040 processor.

Are you going to deny facts ?

And it appears you said I'm wrong on Grand Central even though you told me I'm right.
I'm confused there. I know lots of G5s were not multi-core, but that still doesn't prove me wrong. And yes Snow Leopard is very much about 64 bit and all G5s are 64bit, so its a valid point. People keep constantly make all these comments about PowerPC like is technically incapable of running Snow Leopard.

What ? No, I said you were wrong about Grand Central being about 64 bits, because that is what you said :

Sorry, G5s are 64 bit, so Grand Central would work just fine.

That should've read : Sorry, some G5s are multi-core, so Grand Central would work just fine.

Do you even know what Grand Central is ? It's technology to help in writing apps that exploit multiple processor cores. It has nothing to do with 64 bit at all.

Drop it. You're just losing steam and coming off as a total jerk now, I don't think anyone is taking any of your posts seriously anymore. If you intend to help PPC users somehow, you're doing them a disservice.

 

[HyperZboy]

MacOS 8.5 dropped m68k support entirely. The powerbook 280 released in 1995 couldn't run MacOS 8.5.

If you ran it on a PPC machine, how could you even know of the m68k people's plight ?

Heck, MacOS 8.1 dropped support for anything other than PPC and the 68040 processor.

Are you going to deny facts ?



What ? No, I said you were wrong about Grand Central being about 64 bits, because that is what you said :



That should've read : Sorry, some G5s are multi-core, so Grand Central would work just fine.

Do you even know what Grand Central is ? It's technology to help in writing apps that exploit multiple processor cores. It has nothing to do with 64 bit at all.

Drop it. You're just losing steam and coming off as a total jerk now, I don't think anyone is taking any of your posts seriously anymore. If you intend to help PPC users somehow, you're doing them a disservice.

It's as if you didn't read a single thing I typed but just picked out a few lines for quick jabs.

I owned a Quadra 605 and and LCIII and ran MacOS 8.5. HELLO!
There were TONS of upgrade options for 68030 and 68040 people back then.

Are you really a long-time Mac user or just googling stuff for sport? You're wrong on most of what you're saying, although I'll admit I'm not a Grand Central expert. However, I do know its NOT technically incompatible with PowerPC Macs, only by Apple's choice. And half of all INTEL Macs won't even run OpenCL!



Snow Leopard is completely different than that situation because it makes Leopard a buggy bloated DEAD-END for PowerPC users and there are NO OPTIONS for people who bought $4000 Macs!

 

[*LTD*]

It's as if you didn't read a single thing I typed but just picked out a few lines for quick jabs.

I owned a Quadra 605 and and LCIII and ran MacOS 8.5. HELLO!
There were TONS of upgrade options for 68030 and 68040 people back then.

Are you really a long-time Mac user or just googling stuff for sport? You're wrong on most of what you're saying, although I'll admit I'm not a Grand Central expert. However, I do know its NOT technically incompatible with PowerPC Macs, only by Apple's choice. And half of all INTEL Macs won't even run OpenCL!



Snow Leopard is completely different than that situation because it makes Leopard a buggy bloated DEAD-END for PowerPC users and there are NO OPTIONS for people who bought $4000 Macs!

Again, what are you going to do?

So tell us, what are you going to do NOW? What are you going to do now that PowerPC is NEVER coming back? What re you going to do now that there is no significant movement to bring it back? What are you going to do now that Apple is experiencing ZERO PR and sales issues from dropping PowerPC support?

 

[THX1139]

It's time to wasteland this thread

The last 20 or 30 posts have been arguments about the environment, some discussion about the possibility of an extinct species, and the old tired argument about how PPC users feel abandoned. How did everyone get so far off track?

Killing the thread is a good thing cause it really has gone nowhere. I've noticed that the majority of people who did post (on topic) about the proposed cover art have no clue to what makes for good design. I read one post where someone actually said that there was too much white space! Seems that many of you would like to stick with the (retro 90s X and nebula). Then there were several comments from posters who said it was ugly. Huh? WTF does that mean? My guess is the majority of people have zero experience in marketing or professional design. You wouldn't know what works (for the majority) if it hit you over the head; you would still pull it off the shelf and slap it on your credit card (or steal it off the Web). I especially liked the comment about how it would be BETTER to have a cat that wrapped its tail around something like a disk.... whatever. Stupid. A lot of you are like most American mass consumers. You hate change that may affect you (witness the raging debate on national healthcare), and you think you know more than the experts. Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one- and they are usually full of *******.

Other than that... it's been a fairly entertaining read.

 

[Sky Blue]

I think if August 28 is the release date, we should see an Apple press release in the next couple of days.

 

[KnightWRX]

It's as if you didn't read a single thing I typed but just picked out a few lines for quick jabs.

I owned a Quadra 605 and and LCIII and ran MacOS 8.5. HELLO!
There were TONS of upgrade options for 68030 and 68040 people back then.

Yes, PPC upgrade cards that basically changed your 68030 or 68040 to a PowerPC! That was the only option for running Mac OS 8.5. HELLO!.

Apple didn't support these configurations though and stated in the install notes that it was not possible even though some people did manage it.

Are you really a long-time Mac user or just googling stuff for sport? You're wrong on most of what you're saying, although I'll admit I'm not a Grand Central expert. However, I do know its NOT technically incompatible with PowerPC Macs, only by Apple's choice. And half of all INTEL Macs won't even run OpenCL!

I'm wrong ? Funny, I'm posting supported facts, you still have to even post something that isn't pure conjecture and your own opinion. I can start posting sources (and not just obscure wikipedia articles) if you want. Snow Leopard is not technically incompatible, it's not compatible at all as what will be shipped. They have decided to drop PPC and that is probably what results in the "6 GB free space!" claim, since the librairies and binaries don't have to be compiled for both architectures.

This is plain and simply part of the transition. You should have seen this coming since about 2005, when the transition was announced. If you had really been there during the m68K->PPC days, you would've known this was the case.

Snow Leopard is completely different than that situation because it makes Leopard a buggy bloated DEAD-END for PowerPC users and there are NO OPTIONS for people who bought $4000 Macs!

Your opinion and conjecture. You have an option, continue running Leopard and your software as is. It won't stop working because SL is on the store shelves.

And I don't see the dead-end, you can always sell your G5 to someone that realises Leopard isn't buggy bloated like you claim it is and buy a Intel Mac, or you can go back to Tiger which was the best according to you.

 

[Stuipdboy1000]

I think if August 28 is the release date, we should see an Apple press release in the next couple of days.

It was around ten days before Leopard was available that they announced a ship date in 2007. So that would put a press release around Tuesday. Hopefully.

 

[surferfromuk]

Let me say this. I despise your completely irrational, unobservant ilk. You're asking Apple and every other company to reverse the very process that enables you to write your ignorant response. Capitalistic industrialization has given us longer, healthier, happier, easier lives that any other system in the world. Care to juxtapose prior forms of rule to it: Feudal Europe, enslaving common folk to toil under a hot day's sun, producing little, feeding few, and living in squalor; Communistic Russia, enslaving common folk to each other, economically creating a race to the technological bottom; Socialist Germany, little needs to be said. If you want so badly to stop capitalism and industrialization, then USE CAPITALISM. STOP BUYING PRODUCTS. GIVE UP ADVANCED INDUSTRIALIZED TECHNOLOGY. LIVE IN TECHNOLOGICAL AND MEDICAL SQUALOR.

Your already half-way there...how'd you like them apples ?

 

[CQd44]

This just in: planned obsolescence is a reality

more at eleven.

Now we turn to sports.

 

[HyperZboy]

Yes, PPC upgrade cards that basically changed your 68030 or 68040 to a PowerPC! That was the only option for running Mac OS 8.5. HELLO!.

Apple didn't support these configurations though and stated in the install notes that it was not possible even though some people did manage it.



I'm wrong ? Funny, I'm posting supported facts, you still have to even post something that isn't pure conjecture and your own opinion. I can start posting sources (and not just obscure wikipedia articles) if you want. Snow Leopard is not technically incompatible, it's not compatible at all as what will be shipped. They have decided to drop PPC and that is probably what results in the "6 GB free space!" claim, since the librairies and binaries don't have to be compiled for both architectures.

This is plain and simply part of the transition. You should have seen this coming since about 2005, when the transition was announced. If you had really been there during the m68K->PPC days, you would've known this was the case.



Your opinion and conjecture. You have an option, continue running Leopard and your software as is. It won't stop working because SL is on the store shelves.

And I don't see the dead-end, you can always sell your G5 to someone that realises Leopard isn't buggy bloated like you claim it is and buy a Intel Mac, or you can go back to Tiger which was the best according to you.

I think someone else posted their kernel panic pic and their spinning beachball Leopard complaint quite awhile back. Your mileage my vary. I own both PowerPC AND Intel Macs so I can see the difference in support from Apple.

There was nothing special that had to be done to install MacOS 8.5 on upgraded Macs.
Apple simply didn't WARRANT the process. BIG DIFFERENCE!

I'm not going to get into the personal insults since I've already proven everyone wrong.

I'll repeat...

THERE IS NO REASON APPLE COULDN'T RELEASE SNOW LEOPARD FOR POWERPC.

Except that they chose not to support equipment they sold just 2-3 years ago.

Oh, and chose to screw over some of their longest running customers too!​

 

[thunderclap]

Does your BestBuy not have an Apple section?! Pshaw... it's time they come into the now! A lot of BestBuys have been updated to include a rather chic area, marked by a large black wall with a glowing on it...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/482183/

And the pic in that thread had the white iMacs, so it's been a while...

And there is also Mac Software sold in these sections.

My mistake. I've never seen an Apple section in any of the Best Buys in the Chicago area.

 

[neverbuyapc]

It's legit

My friend has a copy, but in English. Looks the same, except its not Portuguese. Duh. Anyway, I will try to see if I can get her to let me take photos of them and upload them. BTW she works for apple, she didn't just buy this on ebay .

 

[Stuipdboy1000]

My friend has a copy, but in English. Looks the same, except its not Portuguese. Duh. Anyway, I will try to see if I can get her to let me take photos of them and upload them. BTW she works for apple, she didn't just buy this on ebay .

Also, ask her if she knows a release date.

 

[Chundles]

I think someone else posted their kernel panic pic and their spinning beachball Leopard complaint quite awhile back. Your mileage my vary. I own both PowerPC AND Intel Macs so I can see the difference in support from Apple.

There was nothing special that had to be done to install MacOS 8.5 on upgraded Macs.
Apple simply didn't WARRANT the process. BIG DIFFERENCE!

I'm not going to get into the personal insults since I've already proven everyone wrong.

I'll repeat...

THERE IS NO REASON APPLE COULDN'T RELEASE SNOW LEOPARD FOR POWERPC.

Except that they chose not to support equipment they sold just 2-3 years ago.

Oh, and chose to screw over some of their longest running customers too!​

Oh well.

 

[KnightWRX]

There was nothing special that had to be done to install MacOS 8.5 on upgraded Macs.
Apple simply didn't WARRANT the process. BIG DIFFERENCE!

You had to upgrade them with a PPC upgrade card in the first place, because MacOS 8.5 didn't run on m68k processors, which included Macs not more than 2-3 years old like you like saying.

And yes, there was something special, actually, 2 very special steps :

Overview

1. Fool the installer into thinking that you are installing on a compatible
machine.

2. Install 8.5 on your selected drive.

3. Edit the new 8.5 System file so that it will recognize your computer as a
compatible machine.

4. Remove/replace Extensions and Apps that are not compatible.

5. Test out your new system.

6. Update your utilities and apps to 8.5 compatible versions.

Steps on how to actually do this here : http://www.jagshouse.com/OS8.5On68KMacs.html

So much for proving everyone wrong...

 

[vansouza]

Oh well.

It is not just you PPC blokes but some of us early Intel blokes as well; my iMac 7,1 the early AL edition; is not covered. Oh it runs and runs faster then Leopard but not in full 64bit glory.

I do feel your pain nonetheless.

 

[HyperZboy]

Yes. They chose not to.

So what. NO ONE CARES.

And with that last statement, just before your unnecessary centre-justified + bold comment just to get attention, you're getting really delusional. When you don't like what people are saying (reality), do you also cover your ears with your hands and start singing?

It's always funny how people always resort to personal attacks when they are either not winning an argument or they just can't deal with someone disagreeing with them and losing the argument.

I do believe there will be some fallout from this for Apple.

Most PowerPC people do not yet realize that they can't run Snow Leopard yet.

Just like most INTEL people do not realize that OpenCL will not even work on their Mac and that Snow Leopard is not fully compatible with their Mac either.

The majority of Mac users probably don't even visit websites like this, so its predictable that most people here would be INTEL Mac fanbois because this is obviously a GEEK SITE.

That doesn't mean people in general don't care, it just means they're not GEEKS like us! LOL

So, I've always known I'd be in the extreme minority here, most here are power users with the latest equipment. That doesn't make your opinion anymore true or valid though than mine.