Total nonsense. A door in a MacBook Pro bottom is not the same as slicing through tape and removing the display.
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It’s probably really fussy about the type of ram used and may have something to do with the cooling system which also cools the ram.
Easy solution would be to simply solder the maximum amount of ram to the logicboard or fabricate a custom ram slots and chips that are exclusive for the iMac Pro.
that would be the ibm mainframe solution. Completely populate the board, put in a few extra cpus, and charge the customer to activate the extra silicon.
This is just a load of nonsense, it takes regular ddr4 memory. These 'explanations' come across as poor excuses.
Uh huh, do you know what the system is looking for upon startup? The system could be set up to look for that specific type of ram or ram matching spec with that ram or a range of specs. The ram in the thing isn’t user serviceable and it could be more complicated than whether the tab fits in the hole. Also, I gave two reasons. It’s probably fussy about ram *and* May have something to do with the cooling system. Calm down.
If you’d like and you know better than everyone else, why do you think Apple made the ram non-user Serviceable? Especially since all the Mac pros gave access to the ram and present iMacs give access as well and Apple will be coming out with a modular Mac Pro next year?
Well, I was suggesting that they just go full bore with 256gb soldered on as a standard. I think that it would be an “on-disk dlc” sorta outrage if the ram’s there but nobody has access to all of it.
Yeah... the totally standard ECC DDR4 RAM, hooked up to the totally standard memory controllers embedded in the Intel Xeon CPU that are the same as the CPUs plonked into every Supermicro/Dell/Whatever are somehow fussy about the memory they accept.
Oh yeah, the same ECC DDR4 that doesn't need any active cooling in any of these other machines suddenly needs cooling in the iMac Pro?
If that's the case, Apple do a pretty **** job with their firmware!
Oh yeah, the same ECC DDR4 that doesn't need any active cooling in any of these other machines suddenly needs cooling in the iMac Pro?
If that's the case, Apple do a pretty **** job with their firmware!
Um, yes Apple has final say over anything with their products. It is their proprietary product and if you want to build a business off of Apple’s back, you abide by the rules they set. Otherwise, find someone else’s product you can piggyback on. There is no monopoly in the repair market at all. Apple doesn’t even have to allow anyone to repair their product, they could require to have any of their products serviced themselves and that most certainly would be in their purchase terms and conditions. Again, if you as a customer don’t like that, don’t buy it and then later complain that you were somehow forced to not have any options. That’s just asinine.
Besides, you cannot survive just as an Apple repair shop, the margins are too low (or your prices would be too high). The shop has to sell other goods & services in order to have a viable business. As a business owner you should know these things before you enter the market. If you decide to still put all your eggs into one basket (Apple) and you don’t meet the requirements, then it’s all on you if things fail.
i think amd do the same thing before.. if got money paid for more ram.......Yeah it maybe cheap imac in us but not in other country.. Paid as business growth is most welcome.
This is apple we’re talking about here. They make minute choices that such and such *must* be this or that because this or that spec that makes a 0.1% difference in this or that way. Using something else would probably be fine but this or that making that 0.1% difference is preferable to Apple. Unless someone here is an actual engineer that worked on the design of this logicboard, then nobody can say really why they chose to put it there. Everybody’s guessing.
Also, consider that the other machines that you’re talking about are probably sporting comparably big atx cases with lots of airflow while the iMac Pro is a super thin all in one.
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I always thought the “Apple is a monopoly!” Argument is a non-starter. Apple has like 5% of the computer market. How in the heck is that a monopoly at all? Usually it’s because they don’t allow clones, but you can still go buy a computer that’s not Apple and use an operating system that’s not OS X and perform all the same tasks with that, just in different ways.
To be clear nobody is in the business of selling those parts. Repair centers can order those parts to do the repairs themselves. However they are selling “repair” services. If they are not sure they can fix it due to the excessive damage, they are not going to undertake the project. They would literally just be lighting money on fire.
You lost me here. It is no longer their product when they sell it to someone else. If you are suggesting they are licensing it not selling it then that only increases their obligation.
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They have a monopoly on Apple Product repairs, not on building computers. They built an ecosystem that is disconnected from the rest of the industry, then they decided to separate purchase and repair into two separate costs. They may well have 5% of all PCs, but that’s not the issue. The issue is that they have control 100% of the Mac parts, plus they compete with other repair shops.
I think Apple is extending its walled-garden approach to MacOS and iOS to service and parts as well. I think there are/will be legal ramifications of this approach. One thing that comes to mind is the right-to-repair laws that are around the corner, that specifically seeks to allow consumers to be able to repair their own goods. I would love to see Apple on the forefront of this change, since Apple touts itself as an environmentally friendly company that also empowers people.
Do you also think it's an issue that McDonalds have a monopoly on the Big Mac?
Hmm, it’s not hard to get Mac parts after market from people other than Apple. If you get AppleCare+ while it’s new, you get 3 years of service and 2 incidents of accidental damage coverage. If you violate your warranty like Linus does, then that’s totally on you. Hang your head in shame in that case.
I guess the thing is, at least in my case, I’ve rarely had a problem with getting my Macs fixed either by Apple or an AASP and have had very little issue with them breaking down. To me, that feels like a pc realm concern held by shell shocked pc users.
I don’t know what you mean about two different prices beyond being covered and not being covered. Of course those that aren’t covered or lost coverage because they broke their own stuff should pay more than those that maintained coverage. I say let the lone wolves fend for themselves. I have no sympathy for them.
Also, if it’s no longer their product then stop demanding that they give you parts or service when you play expert simulator and break your $5000 computer. If it’s not their product, then I don’t see why any of you guys are mad at Apple.
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The moral of the story is that if it isn't covered by warranty get approval FIRST rather than blow up your device and then after the fact beg that they replace it.
Apple can sell parts at Apple prices and lock-down the parts to their chipsets that their manufacturing contractors can only get from them to cut down on bootleg operations. If some know-it-all wants to buy and fry a $500 all-in-one logicboard from a $600 Mac mini, because he wants to “stick it to the man”, I don’t think Apple would care very much.
You can get Mac repairs from an AASP. Those aren’t Apple.
Yeah, he doesn’t seem to get that a Big Mac and a whopper are both burgers, so it’s silly to claim that a burger manufacturer has a monopoly because you can only get a specific burger from a specific burger joint
See, these "other machines" with DDR4 RAM include things like laptops with SODIMMs, Intel's NUCs. Jam-packed servers. Apple didn't need to make a "pro" machine super thin. There's literally zero need for the machine to be so thin, especially considering the base is the thickest part of it. It's a desktop for crying out loud.
On the subject of DDR4, it's actually a JEDEC standard. If the machine is fussy about RAM (hint: it isn't), either Apple aren't meeting the JEDEC spec because they are lazy or incompetent, or they're purposefully screwing their customers by doing something that is harder than simply meeting the spec, and offers little to no tangible benefits.
What kind of idiotic company takes a standard, and then does additional work to butcher it so that it doesn't work? Why would anyone support such a company?!
apple is more aesthetic design compare to usability.My earpod wire getting loose up after pull out pull in since the OSX don't have ability to switch output. While if you install windows, you will have this functionality in mac.
It build for one all purpose, but it inherited old 5400 rpm ?
A stealer wouldn't it was imac or imac pro.. They just stole and resell it no need to think about any arm chip..
I only see downfall of hardware segment which apple to focus on mobile. If apple keep harassed innovator,developer who want to make app for the phone ? Just give free Xcode, innovate more.. "think diff"
I get that. What you don't seem to get is that building a computer and repairing one are different businesses. Apple is in both and they use their position in building to control the repair market.
Hp, acer, dell, Microsoft, etc build and service their computers.
Have you seen the ram sticks the iMac Pro uses? You think that’s laptop ram? Come on now. Also, how do you know the long term effects of using x component over y component in this machine? I get that the ram meets a standard, but not all ram sticks are equal or the same.
I never said that other ram won’t work. In fact, I said the opposite of that. It would be really nice if you read what I wrote instead of ranting on about something I never said. Someone earlier said that it could be for thinness, but the regular 27” iMac is just as thin and if Apple were being a mean old Scrooge then they could have simply soldered the ram in place.
You basically whine about the thing being thin and in the same response call Apple lazy when making machines thin is really hard to do in comparison to just making it a box like everyone else. There’s plenty of use case for a thin computer that’s out of the users way. Apple’s Not the only company that’s been dabbling in making thin machines.
5400 rpm? Can’t switch audio output? What are you on about? The iMac Pro uses twin SSDs in raid0. When I pull my headphones out of the headphone jack, my audio switches to the speakers. Sorry but I find Macs to be very usable.
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