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Possible explanation for new Lock Screen style Notifications Centre

KeanosMagicHat

KeanosMagicHat

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Just had a thought which adds some fuel to the fire on the latest rumour regarding the removal of TouchID.

Initial beta testers of iOS 11 were confused when they pulled down the notification centre for the first time to find that it now looks like a more like the lock screen.

If there is to be near instantaneous facial recognition unlock on iPhone X rather than TouchID, then this makes complete sense as it will make lock screen notifications redundant.

In this scenario, it would be better to have a screen similar to the lock screen notifications but having a "whilst you were away" emphasis.
 
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KeanosMagicHat said:
this makes complete sense as it will make lock screen notifications redundant
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wasn't this the same thing that happened with the iPhone 6s series Touch ID? The notifications went away too fast so Apple had to change some things like 'rest to unlock'.

I still think scrapping the notification center and turning it into the lockscreen is a lazy, confusing, and unnecessary change.
 
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SumYoungGai said:
wasn't this the same thing that happened with the iPhone 6s series Touch ID? The notifications went away too fast so Apple had to change some things like 'rest to unlock'.
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it was raise to wake coupled with 'click to open' they introduced to get around the issue of touch ID being so fast and people commonly turning on the screen with the home button.

while i see where OP is coming from and think they could be on to something, i still think click to open gets around the 'problem' he describes. like touch id as it exists today, simply let facial recognition 'unlock' the device but require further user input (a click/tap) to open. therefore i don't see an overwhelmingly compelling reason to redesign the unlock procedure again - but who knows.
 
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It would definitely make more sense. It's odd now because unlock and go to home screen are two different actions but seem like they're one. You rest you finger to unlock, you press the button to dismiss the lock screen. If instead, the phone unlocks with facial recognition, it'll be easier for users to understand that leaving lock screen/notification center requires another action.

I think a 3d touch should be the only action that dismisses the lock screen. The implementation is problematic now because if you swipe down, you are able to swipe it up. But when you turn on the phone, swiping up doesn't dismiss the lock screen, it shows control center. They need to behave the same.

For the current phones, I'm not sure what's worse, not allowing people to swipe the lock screen up after swiping it down, or being confused when control center comes up when trying to swipe away the lock screen.
 
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KeanosMagicHat said:
It certainly seems that way . . .

Before creating the thread I did a "thread search" when I probably should've done a post search as well.

Oh well, no great harm done.

Back to the main thread subject, the more I read, the more I'm convinced that the theory is correct.
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Oh I don’t mean any negativity - I think you’re spot on! The idea jives perfectly with the otherwise awkward “notifications” screen implementation in iOS 11. The idea of having a lock screen will melt away with your phone instantly recognizing and authenticating the user.

And I can already hear “seamless” and “it just works” and “magical” being used on stage :cool:

Also, look at the iPad implementation of the notifications screen in iOS 11. If you press the power button to light up the lock screen and try to scroll down from the top, no ‘shade’ is pulled down - you simply get a listing of your latest notifications or a message that no new notifications exist. In other words, the lock screen and former notifications pull-down are melded into one.
 
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onepoint said:
Oh I don’t mean any negativity - I think you’re spot on! The idea jives perfectly with the otherwise awkward “notifications” screen implementation in iOS 11. The idea of having a lock screen will melt away with your phone instantly recognizing and authenticating the user.

And I can already hear “seamless” and “it just works” and “magical” being used on stage :cool:

Also, look at the iPad implementation of the notifications screen in iOS 11. If you press the power button to light up the lock screen and try to scroll down from the top, no ‘shade’ is pulled down - you simply get a listing of your latest notifications or a message that no new notifications exist. In other words, the lock screen and former notifications pull-down are melded into one.
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The real question is whether any of this magic will port back to existing phones? In other words, is what we have now on existing equipment all we will get? Or will some aspect of the new unlocking system flow backwards (recognizing, of course, the hardware limitations existing phones have)? Of course, as the relatively new owner of a 7+, I am hoping that some aspects flow back and that all the goodies are not solely for the new super phone or its companions. But I have been disappointed before in this regard, where there is no substitute for the newer hardware (3D Touch ==> although I will note that Apple has gone a long way to using long presses as substitutes for 3D Touch in a lot of cases, as I suspected they could do all along).
 
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The real question is whether any of this magic will port back to existing phones? In other words, is what we have now on existing equipment all we will get? Or will some aspect of the new unlocking system flow backwards (recognizing, of course, the hardware limitations existing phones have)? Of course, as the relatively new owner of a 7+, I am hoping that some aspects flow back and that all the goodies are not solely for the new super phone or its companions. But I have been disappointed before in this regard, where there is no substitute for the newer hardware (3D Touch ==> although I will note that Apple has gone a long way to using long presses as substitutes for 3D Touch in a lot of cases, as I suspected they could do all along).
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I don’t have the iOS beta installed on a phone at the moment; are they using the same behavior as the iPad?

I don’t see an easy/non-messy solution in the time between introduction and eventually having all products using visual, if that’s the route they’re going. Surely visual authentication would still incorporate a virtual home button in the rumored “activity space” at the bottom of the new iPhone or they would risk severe fragmentation (as opposed to moderate :p).
 
gwhizkids said:
The real question is whether any of this magic will port back to existing phones? In other words, is what we have now on existing equipment all we will get? Or will some aspect of the new unlocking system flow backwards (recognizing, of course, the hardware limitations existing phones have)? Of course, as the relatively new owner of a 7+, I am hoping that some aspects flow back and that all the goodies are not solely for the new super phone or its companions. But I have been disappointed before in this regard, where there is no substitute for the newer hardware (3D Touch ==> although I will note that Apple has gone a long way to using long presses as substitutes for 3D Touch in a lot of cases, as I suspected they could do all along).
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My guess is that the new front camera hardware will be required.
 
I agree. I think the end game goal is not having a lock screen at all to the "owner". You use your phone and things like Touch ID and face id will make it seem like your phone is always unlocked. But if picked up my an unauthorized user they will be prompted with a lock screen of sorts. I think this 3D camera facial recognition technology is the beginning of that.
 
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ZEEN0j said:
I agree. I think the end game goal is not having a lock screen at all to the "owner". You use your phone and things like Touch ID and face id will make it seem like your phone is always unlocked. But if picked up my an unauthorized user they will be prompted with a lock screen of sorts. I think this 3D camera facial recognition technology is the beginning of that.
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Nice.

Someone check if FaceID is registered...

I like the idea of a post-lock screen world but wish the solution to this didn't reproduce an artificial lock screen in place of notification centre. Why not just keep the notification centre but adapt it in a similar way, i.e. two categories of 'missed since last use' and 'all'

Funnily enough they did actually introduce this in an earlier iOS. Was it iOS 7? Maybe just betas. Notification centre had three tabs instead of just the 2 it has in iOS 10
[doublepost=1499291926][/doublepost]What you said has also made me think the 3D face sensing hardware could be (if not this gen then future gens) another thing offloaded to the M coprocessor, so that facial scanning can happen constantly when the phone isn't really in use yet- like as you're picking it up?
 
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GreyOS said:
Nice.

Someone check if FaceID is registered...

I like the idea of a post-lock screen world but wish the solution to this didn't reproduce an artificial lock screen in place of notification centre. Why not just keep the notification centre but adapt it in a similar way, i.e. two categories of 'missed since last use' and 'all'

Funnily enough they did actually introduce this in an earlier iOS. Was it iOS 7? Maybe just betas. Notification centre had three tabs instead of just the 2 it has in iOS 10
[doublepost=1499291926][/doublepost]What you said has also made me think the 3D face sensing hardware could be (if not this gen then future gens) another thing offloaded to the M coprocessor, so that facial scanning can happen constantly when the phone isn't really in use yet- like as you're picking it up?
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That would be even better. I'd like for them to include the Apple Watch as well as a "owner" sensor. And if disconnected from the watch it immidietly locks if it can't see you or read your thumb. (Incase of theft)
 
GreyOS said:
Nice.

Someone check if FaceID is registered...

I like the idea of a post-lock screen world but wish the solution to this didn't reproduce an artificial lock screen in place of notification centre. Why not just keep the notification centre but adapt it in a similar way, i.e. two categories of 'missed since last use' and 'all'
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Why they don't just use the same lock screens + notifications center and when user raise their "iPhone 8" sensor scan user's face then, unlock but not go straight to home screen. In ios 10 if you're in widget page and rest your finger on Touch ID it just unlock and stay on that page. Just let user press that home button.
 

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PeLaNo said:
Why they don't just use the same lock screens + notifications center and when user raise their "iPhone 8" sensor scan user's face then, unlock but not go straight to home screen. In ios 10 if you're in widget page and rest your finger on Touch ID it just unlock and stay on that page. Just let user press that home button.
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Yeah, I said that in an earlier post too
 
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Yeah, I said that in an earlier post too
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I think the way lock screen in iOS 11 be is making user confused. How they supposed to do when they drag from the top of the screen and found screen the look like a lock screen instead of Notification Center like it's used to .
 
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Why they don't just use the same lock screens + notifications center and when user raise their "iPhone 8" sensor scan user's face then, unlock but not go straight to home screen. In ios 10 if you're in widget page and rest your finger on Touch ID it just unlock and stay on that page. Just let user press that home button.
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The home button may not exist so that wouldn't work.
 
At the time, I didn't really understand the 'Missed' notification tab that was added in iOS 7 and removed by iOS 8. The mechanics behind it seemed mysterious to me. But looking into it now, it was basically a way to view the notifications that had collected on your lock screen but you didn't clear - either because you ignored them and just went straight to unlocking your device, or because you went into an app via one notification and lost the ability to go back and look at the others that were there too.

That's what the missed tab did and I kind of appreciate it now.

I think Apple thought again "What's the best way to show people the notifications they missed on the lock screen?" and the answer was: just show them the lock screen again. Sorry if this is really obvious to everyone, but not having iOS 11 in my hands I've been struggling to grasp the concept behind this combined lock screen/notification centre. This just helps me think through it.

I still think though that they could just adjust the notification centre to have a section above 'Recent' for those missed lock screen notifications.
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The home button may not exist so that wouldn't work.
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That's a good point. Even though there'd likely be an on-screen home button in most cases, I'm not sure it would be a good look on the lock screen.
 
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Worst part about this whole mess is that i have to unlock my iPhone 6 before i can even dismiss a damn notification on the lockscreen like how is that a privacy concern. So silly
 
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Feenician said:
You can’t swipe now. Long press or 3D Touch (as appropriate for the device) reveals the options for a single notification. Long press or 3D Touch on the “X” for the group mass-dismisses them.
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Can you still swipe right to unlock into the app?
 
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