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We have a different definition of "need". I agree, a new stereo would solve the issue, and it would be nice. But to spend many hundreds of dollars to upgrade the head unit on each car, solely to support a phone upgrade, isn't a realistic option for me.
An adapter or cable with passthrough for power would be a far more affordable option for you. I typically leave at least one lightning cable in each car for charging anyway, so you could always get one for each car. As an added bonus, hooking up your new iPhone to the car will be easier. Just plug the lightning end into the phone. The other ends would remain connected to the audio jack and USB power source. Currently, you have two different cables to plug into your phone each time you get into the car.
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The ultimate in stupidity. Like an adapter for a iPhone will never get lost. :rolleyes:
We need to get rid of cables altogether. Wireless everything is the way to go. End the nightmare:eek: of lost lightning cables:mad: and lost audio cables.:oops: Apple, save us. We can't keep up with our stuff!
 
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I'm all for the removal of the 3.5mm jack it's had a great run but until it is gone we won't see a strong push for superior wireless headphones/technology.

I just don't get why Apple won't wait for the anniversary iPhone next year, take out the headphone jack and add a USB-C and throw in some beats wireless headphones and everyone is happy (well sort of).
I don't think wireless is ready to replace wired headphones yet. Bluetooth 5 may solve outage and bandwidth problems, but battery life is awful.
Apple were planning to remove it from the anniversary iPhone but i'm guessing they chose to do it now in order to push companies to make better wireless solutions and also to get consumers adapted to wireless.
They aren't going to switch to USB-C, with all the audio lightning products (including adapters) that will be released, switching would be a stupid move for a company that's just annoyed customers by removing the headphone jack.
 
if the iphone 7 flops will the 7S or whatever have it again? Does apple have a history of hearing upset customers demands and reversing course after they made a decision ? my memory fails me.
Not all the time, but if the sales do flop and customers make a fuss about it, they may consider it or at least to make advancements to the alternatives.
 
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Its a matter of Apple telling the consumer what they need. I'd wager if you did a quick search you'd find the vast majority would take a thicker phone and bigger battery/better ergonomics.

This kind of thing is exactly why I'm leaving Apple.
I Don't know where the majority is. What I know is that :
- people in forum are a minority
- iPhone 6 design is by far the most sold iPhone ever
But clearly, Apple does not make devices for everyone, and that is fine.
 
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So you can't charge your phone and listen to music at the same time?? You'd think that there'd be a split to a USB and also the headphone jack.
 
It is fake. The connector piece is free hanging inside the plastic cover. How lazy one can be to not use a drop of hot glue to make it look like it is centered. Cheap sensationalism.
You may think that this one is fake, personally it looks like a prototype/reject. The design is not fake.
 
Nope me too.. not plugged in a wired headphone in about 3 years. Bluetooth all the way. The funny thing is you get people banging on about high quality headphones etc yet they are using a 100 year old 'technically huge' connector and the fact that 99 percent of the time are playing compressed mp3s. Stoopid.

What are they? Bats?

I remember a blind test on the gadget show a whiel back and even musicians couldn't tell the difference between wire and wireless given decent cans. The only difference they coudl tell was Uncompressed audio over mp3!

I too listen almost exclusively to music/podcasts on my iPhone through bluetooth earbuds (RevJames). They certainly don't produce nearly the quality of sound compared to over-the-ear headphones, but considering that I use them predominately while I'm out and about on the street or on a train, the earbuds suit my needs just fine. The only issue is keeping them charged for runs/commuter trips, but for the most part it's just another thing that I charge at night. While I understand that getting rid of the jack might be burdensome to many people, it won't affect my usage of the iPhone.
 
So you can't charge your phone and listen to music at the same time?? You'd think that there'd be a split to a USB and also the headphone jack.
There will be 3rd party adapters for that or Apple may sell one themselves, either way it will cost extra.
 
Your better off just getting a cheap bluetooth headphone and calling it a day, cause getting caught with this in public will turn ugly.
 
What happens when they remove theirs?
They probably will given that, whether Android fanboys accept it or not, Android manufacturers copy Apple with whatever they do, hence why we see camera bumps on almost all flagships now. Some manufacturers have already removed the headphone jack due to the rumors of Apple doing it, similar to how 'iWatch' rumors sparked companies like Samsung to release a smartwatch first so they can beat Apple to it.
 
I will never use a dongle with my iPhone. It feels like something I would ridicule a Samsung user for. I really hope that Apple won't go THIS tasteless.
 
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if the iphone 7 flops will the 7S or whatever have it again? Does apple have a history of hearing upset customers demands and reversing course after they made a decision ? my memory fails me.

The one example I can think of is when they took the buttons of the iPod shuffle then brought them back after it tanked. It wouldn't surprise me if this one is another reversal.
 
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There are a lot of people who don't want to carry around an adapter, and have to fiddle around with adapters to charge their phone and listen to music at the same time.
And then there are the people who say "Bring it on! I couldn't care less, 3.5mm has had it's time!" I wonder if those are just the fanboys or not...
 
Nah, it really wouldn't be big nor bulky if done right.[/QUOTE

Even done practically in parallel, using Apple EarPods results in a solid object more than an inch long. I don't know how well-versed you are in mechanical engineering, but that's a crazy length for a solid object inserted into the Lightning port. Imagine the damage such an object could cause on the port itself. A solid adapter is a stupid idea.
 

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Wouldn't be possible due to the electronics inside the end. It could possibly be achieved by making the end thicker.
 
I will never use a dongle with my iPhone. It feels like something I would ridicule a Samsung user for. I really hope that Apple won't go THIS tasteless.
Surely, in this format at least, it's not really anything more than a short extension to the headphone lead?

Does anyone remember having to use ¼-inch to 3.5mm adaptors (both ways) when hi-fi sockets were ¼-inch but headphone jacks transitioned to 3.5mm because of Walkman. Or, the reverse - good headphones used to come with ¼-inch jacks and hifis/radios/Walkmans with 3.5mm sockets.
 
"Looks rugged and durable. Fit for everything that daily life can throw at it" Said no-one ever about Apple cables.

"It's really great. I think you're going to love it" Tim Cook will say at iPhone 7 launch.
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if the iphone 7 flops will the 7S or whatever have it again? Does apple have a history of hearing upset customers demands and reversing course after they made a decision ? my memory fails me.


I think Apply bringing back the 4" iPhone in the form of the SE was a big admission that not everyone wanted a bigger screen incased in a design that resembles a bar of soap.
 
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if the iphone 7 flops will the 7S or whatever have it again? Does apple have a history of hearing upset customers demands and reversing course after they made a decision ? my memory fails me.
Under Steve, hell no (you don't remember "You're holding it wrong"?) :)

Under Tim, much more likely - but I wouldn't hold my breath. Long term, we really don't want things plugging into our phones (keep waiting for Apple to get off of their asses with the wireless charging already - I want my damn charging base stations now dammit!) :)
 
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Thanks for the image. There's no issue. Either that compact and if designed right also safe for the device connectors or the alternative is a two headed snake cable. Will Apple release something well designed, compact and device safe or will Apple release a two headed snake cable?
 
I agree entirely with your post.

I guess an argument against the headphone jack socket is it could possibly be preventing greater uptake of the alternatives - the fact it's there means most people won't use bluetooth or lightning headphones because of their respective disadvantages and negative aspects (note I'm not saying there aren't any advantages or positive aspects in some people's opinions). And if the market demand isn't there, why should more designers and manufacturers invest in producing bluetooth/lightning earphones/headphones?

If they produced gear that was superior to a 3.5mm connected equivalent, people would buy it. This is not a chicken and egg situation. It's not like manufacturers are not producing Lightning headphones because the connector does nopt exist/works. Bluetooth and Lightning connectivity exists today. You don't have to force a market. By and large, the market has spoken, and the market still prefers the 3.5mm connector for wired.
 
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Wouldn't be possible due to the electronics inside the end. It could possibly be achieved by making the end thicker.

Right, but that guy who probably works for some Chinese manufacturer who's about to start selling an adapter brick claimed it was possible. I don't agree, but I wanted to point out how dangerous even the most optimistic single-piece adapter is for the Lightning port. A standard 3.5mm jack is 1 inch long, but 1/2 an inch is inserted into the device. With a single-piece adapter, the absolute minimum length of the solid piece is 1 inch, but the Lightning male end is only 1/4 inch and isn't snug along the entire length. A single-piece is a recipe for disaster.
 
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