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Sprint: 450 minutes (non-rollover) + Unlimited Data = $90

I don't think so.

My plan (less than 2 months old) has over 900 minutes, unlimited data, mobile-to-mobile, and all the good stuff for about $70 including taxes. And my smartphone cost me $50. )
 
Because they don't *have to* silly :)

Again...you know, I'm not rich...but I'm not broke, either...you know what i'm sayin'?

I mean...its $500 or $600 for a phone...people had 6 months to scrimp and save to work that out.

if your average mobile bill is $40/month...you find $30. If you are living that close to the edge where $30-$40 is a *deal breaker*...if you might have to live outside or skip meals, then, well, you are living above your means...a serious problem in America as it is.

I mean think about it. About 4 $10 bills more. 4 albums on the iTMS. 4 days of carry out lunch, or two dinners of chinese...two fridays of Pizza Night specials.

Less than a tank of gas (chuckle).

You smoke...about 10 packs of smokes. Or a two month ration of ramen.

I mean COME ON PEOPLE. If you are that close to hardship, you shouldn't even HAVE a freakin' mobile...you should be saving your money!

Thats what we're talking here for most people that have phone typical phone service already (I happen to have more than that, but that's me)...4 $10 bills more out of the crap you blow money on every month.

*shakes head*

You should just walk away if you're THAT hard up. Seriously.

You're obviously an investment guru... /sarcasm

Ponying up something extra like this is like buying a Lexus when a Toyota will do, or not sealing up your home to save on AC bills, or buying a Mac Pro if you only need an iMac.

So what, I do go out and drop $60 on a dinner, or $50 at a bar. But this is an added, fixed, contractual expense, that's almost half as much as a car lease. (My Accord = $1500 down, $200/mo.).

Would I pay $600 for an Apple PDA/iPod, without the data plan? Sure. If I can, I'll do it the day it comes out. Will I give up a new Macbook 2 years down the line ($1080) just so I can be cool? No thanks. I don't NEED internet everywhere, I already pay for it at home.

I'll admit, I seriously did consider getting an iPhone. Having wikipedia in the palm of your hand, not needing to carry around my laptop and iPod everywhere I went, multi-touch, yes, it's very neat.

In fact, I'm still considering it.

But if I need to pony up $600 (when i could settle for a Treo for $99) and an exorbitant plan, I'll go with the Treo. $45/mo. saved is $45/mo. earned.
 
*hoooboy*

Now that Apple has demonstrated that they can put their full OS on a very tiny device w/o a hard drive

1. Apple has never once stated it has the "full OS" on it.
2. When called on this by Mossberg, Jobs tried to "sales-a-matize" it by saying that well, you know sure, they pulled off a lot of stuff you don't need on a mobile...blah blah blah

3. You must make a real world Sticky (They are call Post-it Notes) and attach it to your display to have handy at ALL TIMES whenever reading ANY Apple Marketing or listening to ANYTHING Steve Jobs or his duly appointed apple spokespersons say:

hy-per-bo-le |hīˈpərbəlē|
noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

The More You Know™
 
Makes total sense. Verizon probably **** the bed when Apple asked them to reduce their rates.

Also, why the hell else would Cingular NOT subsidize the phone?

AT&T is not subsidizing the phone because Apple asked them not to. Apple doesn't want the carrier subsidy to lower the perceived value of their product; nor do they want said subsidy to cause mass cannibalization of the iPod line.
 
Then don't buy one. But you know you will, so quit complaining.

I have been paying $100 a month for 3 years ever since I got my first Blackberry. And I have signed a contract for TEN years, ever since I got my first cell phone. That is how it is.

Do you really look at the iPhone as a mobile browser? It's a PHONE first and foremost, and that is what it will always be. If you want to browse, wait for rev B and 3G.

sidebar though....

I have 3G on my Blackjack, and I don't know what you people are talking about. It still sucks, its still small, and it is only used for minimal or emergency web usage.

So what's the problem?

it certainly is said to be a revolutionary device to browse web on ... and the only thing it has is SAFARI!!

just answer the question sir.
 
Ye shall know the truth...

EVERYONE has expendable income. EVERYONE. Some just don't want to spend it on THIS.

*I* nominate *this one* to take my post's place as Post O' the Day :)

A lot less words :)
 
As someone mentioned before, unlimited texts on AT&T is $20. If the plan really does turn out to be $35, then it will be only $15 for unlimited data. I'm quite happy if that turns out to be true.

It's a lot easier to justify the price when unlimited texts is normally $20 which leaves only $15 for the (slow) EDGE data plan.
 
Apple doesn't consider you a customer unless you buy things from them. Often.

Ask them. They know everything i've bought for the last 7 years...I know this because they keep asking me about these damned things :)

Look. You can't afford it right now. Its OK, it doesn't make you less of a person. Save your money and wait.

Sheesh.


that isn't an answer to my questions, that was just a cheap personal attack that I was expecting, but you are right, I can't afford to spend so much on something so early in development and pay novelty charges as well.

its just not worth it ... but this is has nothing to do with me buying an iphone its about comparing iphone with ipod
 
it certainly is said to be a revolutionary device to browse web on ... and the only thing it has is SAFARI!!

just answer the question sir.


So don't buy one. It's really simple. A Louis Vuitton purse is just a purse that costs more. I know, we get it.

So don't buy it. That isn't a personal attack, it is just true.
 
it certainly is said to be a revolutionary device to browse web on ... and the only thing it has is SAFARI!!

just answer the question sir.

No answer will satisfy you...

Its gonna be a $600 phone with likely an $80/mo usage...they will sell millions...and like the PS2 people that waited forever for the PS3...only to have it come in at a whopping $600...you will still feel "betrayed" by Apple.

So...what's the point?
 
because wifi is free, and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster then edge. when you get your iphone, let me know how long it takes to download a mp3 song with edge lol.

Agreed on wi-fi vs. the Edge network, but where is wi-fi free? Unless you have a wi-fi network at home, buy a data plan or piggyback on someone else's network, how is said iPhone going to truly shine?

(BTW -- I will be among the ranks of the iPhone envious--for at least two years anyway. I have a Blackberry Pearl with an iPhone theme.)
 
that isn't an answer to my questions, that was just a cheap personal attack that I was expecting, but you are right, I can't afford to spend so much on something so early in development and pay novelty charges as well.

its just not worth it ... but this is has nothing to do with me buying an iphone its about comparing iphone with ipod

They are CERTAINLY comparable. They both came out at a time when the same product was available for a far cheaper price. But some folks think that the Apple version does it better, and that betterness, for lack of a better word, is worth the premium price.

Look, there are plenty of other areas where I don't pay a premium. I will buy 10 cent paper towels and flip the bird to the Brawny man, so maybe this is that scenario for you.
 
No answer will satisfy you...

Its gonna be a $600 phone with likely an $80/mo usage...they will sell millions...and like the PS2 people that waited forever for the PS3...only to have it come in at a whopping $600...you will still feel "betrayed" by Apple.

So...what's the point?


and I am not expecting one either ... its a discussion not a flame throwing competition ...

and yeah .. PS3 is big success ... nintendo just topped sony today didn't they?

forget my post... please continue as usual ...
 
I believe that you keep missing the "I'd use (free) WiFi for the data-requiring applications" posts. This is the camp that I'm in, too. Why in the world would I pay for a separate, slower data plan when the city I live in is blanketed w/ freely available WiFi?

Got it. The only free wi-fi I know of here in Chicago is at the public libraries. Hence, I don't think of free wi-fi as freely available.
 
As someone mentioned before, unlimited texts on AT&T is $20. If the plan really does turn out to be $35, then it will be only $15 for unlimited data. I'm quite happy if that turns out to be true.

It's a lot easier to justify the price when unlimited texts is normally $20 which leaves only $15 for the (slow) EDGE data plan.

The $64,000 question is whether or not you can separate the texts and data. I for one don't text (the screen on my cell has been out for a month and a half and I've been waiting for this damn iPhone to come out), but do realize that I probably need a data plan. $15/month? Sign me up right now.
 
FYI,

Sprint is running a huge pro-mo for the Upstage. Get it while its hot for those of you who love EVDO!! :)

Can we all agree that this is an AT&T phone—what Sprint/Verizon/T-Mobile charges might be interesting to some, but it doesn't and won't make the slightest bit of difference come Friday.

There's only one provider, so let's... shock... wait and see.
 
You're obviously an investment guru... /sarcasm

Ponying up something extra like this is like buying a Lexus when a Toyota will do, or not sealing up your home to save on AC bills, or buying a Mac Pro if you only need an iMac.

So what, I do go out and drop $60 on a dinner, or $50 at a bar. But this is an added, fixed, contractual expense, that's almost half as much as a car lease. (My Accord = $1500 down, $200/mo.).

Would I pay $600 for an Apple PDA/iPod, without the data plan? Sure. If I can, I'll do it the day it comes out. Will I give up a new Macbook 2 years down the line ($1080) just so I can be cool? No thanks. I don't NEED internet everywhere, I already pay for it at home.

I'll admit, I seriously did consider getting an iPhone. Having wikipedia in the palm of your hand, not needing to carry around my laptop and iPod everywhere I went, multi-touch, yes, it's very neat.

In fact, I'm still considering it.

But if I need to pony up $600 (when i could settle for a Treo for $99) and an exorbitant plan, I'll go with the Treo. $45/mo. saved is $45/mo. earned.

Thank you.

I spend almost 80% - 90% of my time within a private WiFi network. I would really like to be able to use this phone without purchasing a data plan.

EDIT: The only time I dont have WiFi access is in my car. Between work, school, and home I am covered. My entire campus is blanketed in WiFi.
 
Because they don't *have to* silly :)

Again...you know, I'm not rich...but I'm not broke, either...you know what i'm sayin'?

I mean...its $500 or $600 for a phone...people had 6 months to scrimp and save to work that out.

if your average mobile bill is $40/month...you find $30. If you are living that close to the edge where $30-$40 is a *deal breaker*...if you might have to live outside or skip meals, then, well, you are living above your means...a serious problem in America as it is.

I mean think about it. About 4 $10 bills more. 4 albums on the iTMS. 4 days of carry out lunch, or two dinners of chinese...two fridays of Pizza Night specials.

Less than a tank of gas (chuckle).

You smoke...about 10 packs of smokes. Or a two month ration of ramen.

I mean COME ON PEOPLE. If you are that close to hardship, you shouldn't even HAVE a freakin' mobile...you should be saving your money!

Thats what we're talking here for most people that have phone typical phone service already (I happen to have more than that, but that's me)...4 $10 bills more out of the crap you blow money on every month.

*shakes head*

You should just walk away if you're THAT hard up. Seriously.

Stop being ridiculous and comparing a fixed rate to my personal expenses each month. You simply CANNOT justify **** like this.

So what if I drop $250 on dinner, but wont agree to a $40 a month data plan. I enjoy my life, thank you.

We dont all camp out in our closets, buddy.
 
Hope someone can help me with this questoin:

They don't have EDGE where I live. Can I get the phone with no data plan and voice only? Then I could still use my wifi network for that in my house?

Thanks!!! Surely there are lots of people without EDGE right? I mean not lots, but a few ?
 
These sound pretty much like market rates for data.. Before I get some T-Mobile data quote.. well, you get what you pay for..

I pay $40 now for unlimited Blackberry data and 1,500 text messages. I originally got 1,000 text messages but Cingular recently upped them to 1,500 for some reason.

I use SMS and IM so much that I was alble to drop a level in my voice plan so I am cool with $100 for voice and data. I would actually pay $30ish more overall if need be cause I like it and I want it.

Great news.
 
I was phyc'd until I read who was saying $20...

Shawn King = Engadet Apple Rumor

to me... (I don't believe what either of them have to say when it comes to apple rumors..)

Guess we will know soon though...

I must admit that I don't know much about Shawn King or Engadget. So, I guess we should take it with a grain of salt, eh?
 
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