PowerBooks in Paris?

[Photorun]

Dear G5 PB posters,

Put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away.

NOT HAPPENING! Sorry to burst your thick noggin's bubbles but there ain't no way to currently put a G5 in a Powerbooks. Someday maybe, this year no, so stop posting your dumbass drivel!

 

[hmmm]

Re: Dear G5 PB posters,

Originally posted by Photorun
Put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away.

NOT HAPPENING! Sorry to burst your thick noggin's bubbles but there ain't no way to currently put a G5 in a Powerbooks. Someday maybe, this year no, so stop posting your dumbass drivel!

Well done Photorun, such conviction, but how are you backing up your statement, do you work for IBM?

 

[esheep2001]

[scoop] New format powerpad expected at Paris Expo!

On Sept 16th, Apple will introduce the new iPad and PowerPad models. These will be keyboardless versions of the current iBook and PowerBook machines.

The iPad will also come with infra red as standard, something re-introduced to Apple laptops, so that it can be easily used to control the new iPod cradle and vPod which are also due to be unveiled. The Bluetooth version of the Powerpad can also be used as an advanced graphics tablet when combined with the new iPen. It will give graphivs designers 1024 pressure levels and 1000dpi resolution through the nib and advanced Bluetooth XY geometry tracking respectively. This all comes as standard when the $159 iPen is purchased.



Well, I'm bored of all the PBook speculation, it's time to spice things up a bit isn't it! Anyway, it's boring to get it right, let's have some extreme rumors so that we can be dissapointed afterwards ;-)

e.

 

[tomf87]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by grahamtriggs
Really? To quote the spec pages:

"a unique fiber optic backlit keyboard"

Fiber optics.... basically means that they could (do?) use the backlight for the screen display to light the keyboard. Single light source, that is on anyway - that would make the backlit keyboard have ZERO drain (in fact, it would have *less* drain as it "automatically lowers its display backlight").

I stand corrected on the battery drain. Never was a know-it-all and never will be.

I still personally don't see the usefulness of it. Also, I would doubt that they use the LCD for the light. I'm no engineer but I don't think a light source is directed across the screen. If LCD's do work that way though, when the screen dims, would it produce enough light to light the entire keyboard still?

 

[lord_flash]

Originally posted by tomf87
That's correct. There's even a battle in the PC world with Intel and AMD. AMD resorted to different branding of their procs because their proc has the same performance of the Intel counterpart, even though the speed isn't identical.

Same goes for the Mac proc's.

But it is true that the G4, even allowing for the fact MHz (or GHz if you've got a PC ) are misleading, are behind PCs of equivalent financial cost.

http://www.cpuscorecard.com/

If you don't admit that, then nothing you say can be taken seriously.

Also, the Centrinos do very, very well with 'just' 1.6GHz.

 

[Bruja]

Re^2: Dear G5 PB posters,

Originally posted by Photorun
Put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away.

NOT HAPPENING! Sorry to burst your thick noggin's bubbles but there ain't no way to currently put a G5 in a Powerbooks. Someday maybe, this year no, so stop posting your dumbass drivel!

But it tastes great and less filling (mmmm crack pipe). on a serious tip: I too do not believe that the G-5 Lappers will be out soon. Maybe next year this time we'll be discussing the same thing (relativly speaking)

 

[xtekdiver]

Originally posted by arn
I wasn't saying that it was significant perse... but more significant than any "reading between the lines" that was going on about G5 PowerBooks. See what I was replying to.

As for guessing vs not.... if you really believe every site is just guessing... you should stop reading rumor sites.

It's clear that leaks do occur and that there is real information out there. People just need to stop believing every little thing from questionable sites.

If you aren't able to filter the rumors for yourself... I suggest you stop listening to macwhispers, powerpage, looprumors and much of macbidouille, etc....

arn

I didn't mean to imply that all rumors are mere guessing; only this one. Nor am I implying that you really think this is a credible rumor. I know what you were refering to, but it still doesn't change my view that this rumor is nothing more than another guess, if not an outright traffic generator. Some site posts it, all the others pick it up, we all yak about it, and in the end it still remains a question. I frequent these sites always hopeful that something will turn up; however, PB rumors have been ongoing for months and they have all been wrong. I found your new product pages a nice way to get an overview of various rumors; and they only give more weight to the idea that rumors regarding Powerbooks have lost any real sense of credibility. Bottom line is that we will all wait anxiously and watch what happens. My feeling is that it would be imbarrising and a bit perplexing for Jobs to announce a very modest upgrade to this line, at least not without a great deal of explanation; so it seems obvious at this stage, with no prior announcementhaving been made, the expectation is for Jobs to announce something significant, ie. G5 PB.

 

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by Frobozz
Whew... have you BEEN to Mac rumor sites in the past 2 years. There's this thing called the MHz myth. 3GHz What? A 1 Ghz G4 Powerbook is usually faster, by design, than anything in the PC world. Their laptops are crippled in many respects. Price is usually about the same for (somewhat) comparable performance (in the Mac's favor).

Yeah, I've heard about MHz myth, pipelines and cach, but don't try to tell me that the 1GHz is as fast as the 3GHz Pentium, thats just stupid!

I want a PowerBook with Power, I don't care if it's 2 or 3 kilos!

Where I live the 1GHz PowerBook costs 24'000.
A FS notebook with Athlon XP Mobile 2600+ is 12'000.

Please Apple drop the prices in counties outside US!

 

[tomf87]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
Yeah, I've heard about MHz myth, pipelines and cach, but don't try to tell me that the 1GHz is as fast as the 3GHz Pentium, thats just stupid!

I want a PowerBook with Power, I don't care if it's 2 or 3 kilos!

Where I live the 1GHz PowerBook costs 24'000.
A FS notebook with Athlon XP Mobile 2600+ is 12'000.

Please Apple drop the prices in counties outside US!

Pardon my ignorance, but what currency is that? I'd be interested to compare in US dollars the pricing. I admit that it is more expensive, though.

To compare systems, my Athlon XP 2600+ desktop is just a wee bit faster on boot than my iMac 800 17". However, after that, I don't notice much difference at all.

 

[mania]

Re: Dear G5 PB posters,

Originally posted by Photorun
Put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away.

aww Photorun ya beat me to it. yes please people just deal with it there will be no g5 powerbook this year. a g5 will not make surfing for porn any faster.

and another thing - if you want a dell go buy a dell and quit wasting kbytes posting about dells here. windoze weenies can all burn in dell for all i care.

there i feel better now.

 

[cubist]

Originally posted by F/reW/re
If 1.25GHz is all, Apple better lower thoose prices! ...

And why 1.25GHz? The new iMacs are not 7457s. I thought the 7457 was supposed to go to 1.33. That's 80MHz more. Don't tell me Steve is saving the 0.08GHz for a January 2004 speed bump!

I think these machines aren't 7457s, they're 7455Bs, and Appleinsider is mixing rumors with speculation again.

 

[reflex]

Originally posted by gopher
3 GHz is meaningless. Funny, the new notebook processors from Intel which are faster are only 1.6 Ghz.

There's a difference between "faster" and "faster at the same clockspeed". I hadn't heard that a 1.6GHz Pentium-M was faster than a 3GHz P4.

 

[airmac]

Re: Dear G5 PB posters,

Originally posted by Photorun
Put down the crack pipe, and slowly back away.

NOT HAPPENING! Sorry to burst your thick noggin's bubbles but there ain't no way to currently put a G5 in a Powerbooks. Someday maybe, this year no, so stop posting your dumbass drivel!

Amen!!!

But imagine:

1.3GHz G4
15'4-inch TFT Display
"1440*900 resolution would be quite cool" (Nicoman.. )
2 mega L3 cach
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (64MB DDR video)
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
SuperDrive
FireWire 800
USB 2.0
AirPort Extreme ready
Bluetooth built-in
DVI & S-Video out
6 hours of battery life (oh well..)
Pack it in a nice aluminum case.

$1,999.00...

The point is...I'll be more than happy with this update.

 

[machem]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by tomf87
I stand corrected on the battery drain. Never was a know-it-all and never will be.

I still personally don't see the usefulness of it. Also, I would doubt that they use the LCD for the light. I'm no engineer but I don't think a light source is directed across the screen. If LCD's do work that way though, when the screen dims, would it produce enough light to light the entire keyboard still?

Well, call me silly, but the keyboard backlighting is a big feature for me. I use my 'book in the dark all the time, and though I am a very good touch-typist, turn out the lights, and I lose all confidence in my ability. Thus, I'm often looking at the keys in the dark. Even though I *know* where that damn F4 key is, I need to see it. When I can't see it, I have to pick up the 'book, to gain whatever little available light there is... you get the picture.

Even though I know the proc speed, FSB, memory speed, L2 cache, etc etc is more important, it's that little bit of eye candy that is gonna make me real happy.

 

[pgwalsh]

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I’m hoping that the 15” gets updated to the new aluminum chassis and gets a speed bump… That would make me and I believe a lot of other people happy…

It would freak me out if they introduced G5 based PowerBooks, but I don’t think it will happen. There's too many issues with limited processors, but that may not be the case with 1.2 1.4 ghz G5.

The iBook needs to be pushed over the 1ghz mark. It would be really appealing with a G4 1ghz…

Not sure why we think we can’t have a G4 in the PowerBook and the iBook. We had the G4 in the eMac, iMac, and PowerMacs. I suppose the there wouldn’t be a big difference since they have nearly the same form factor, where the eMac, iMac, and G4 have a huge difference in form factor.
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[tomf87]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
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Not sure why we think we can’t have a G4 in the PowerBook and the iBook. We had the G4 in the eMac, iMac, and PowerMacs. I suppose the there wouldn’t be a big difference since they have nearly the same form factor, where the eMac, iMac, and G4 have a huge difference in form factor.
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If you have a 1Ghz G4 iBook, then the extra money for a 1.25 12" PB would not be worth it.

I would guess that having two lines of portables is much better for Apple rather than having just one. In addition, the model lines represent two classes: personal (iBook) and business (PB), if you will. Combining these would take away the classiness of the PB. Among one of the reasons of getting PB over an iBook (besides more power), is the look and feel. Make the models the same power (or roughly the same) and then all you have is the look and feel. While some people will pay for that, most people would not feel as though they are getting their money's worth.

$1000 more for Aluminum. Hmmm, think I might just wrap my iBook G4 in Aluminum foil. Wait a minute, I have an idea! ...

 

[ahol19]

i'll believe this when i see it. I was hearing 15 inch pb updats since march. Now i am tired of hearing them. I think the current 15 modles are ok. Sure i would love firewire 800 and USB 2.0, but i have a G4 1ghz 15in pb and i love it. If/when something comes i will be happy, but i dont know what all this fuss is about new 1's. Arent the ones out now good enough?
Adam

 

[tomf87]

Originally posted by ahol19
i'll believe this when i see it. I was hearing 15 inch pb updats since march. Now i am tired of hearing them. I think the current 15 modles are ok. Sure i would love firewire 800 and USB 2.0, but i have a G4 1ghz 15in pb and i love it. If/when something comes i will be happy, but i dont know what all this fuss is about new 1's. Arent the ones out now good enough?
Adam

They are, but as we know, the whole computer scene revolves around speed and who's got the fastest <fill in computer part>.

Nobody needs 64-bit computing at home yet. But, since they produced it, people will buy it. Just like cars, motorcycles, or anything else.

 

[tedjac]

Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by jocknerd
Apple doesn't care that their 15" PowerBook costs twice as much as an Intel based while running twice as slow. Apple only wants you to compare it to the previous version of the PowerBook. That way, they can justify the cost. Thats how they could justify the price increase on the PowerMacs with the introduction of the G5. Whereas the rest of the world has PC prices coming down, Apple raised theirs.

If the previous PowerMac ran a 867mhz processor and cost $2500 and the new one uses a 1.25ghz processor and costs the same, Apple expects you to see that its a good deal.
Nevermind that a Dell or Sony 15" with a 3ghz processor and the same specs could possibly be around $1999. Apple has tunnel vision. They never look outside their world. And it actually seems to be working for them. They are profitable. And only Dell can say that besides Apple.

The major thing that you seem to have left out is that the Sony and the Dell STILL RUN WINDOWS!! We Mac faithful are willing to pay a premium for our computers because they generally are more reliable, easier to use, don't get viruses and are built better than most PC's. Not to mention the Macs superior multimedia capabilities... Also keep in mind that while Windows is still waiting for "Longhorn" (now what, at 2006), we Mac users are looking at Panther (in a few weeks) and greater things to come long before Windows actually has anything significantly new or more reliable or safer to offer. This debate has been going on for literally decades. If you want a Dell or a Sony... buy one! You will definitely get what you pay for... and don't forget to turn on that firewall and fire up that virus software... 'cuz you're gonn need it!

Ted

 

[daveL]

Originally posted by tomf87
-Rocketman

How long have you used your PB? I heard one gentleman say their new PB's last only about a year before needing repair. He stated the case would crack or something along those lines.

What a crock. I've had mine for more than 10 months, lugged it on airplanes for months on end, use it everyday, all day, as my primary machine, and it doesn't have a scratch on it. In fact, if I tried to sell it to you, in person, you'd swear it was a brand new machine. TiBook: 1 GHz, 1 GB, superdrive. Best laptop I've ever owned or used.

 

[tomf87]

Re: Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by tedjac
The major thing that you seem to have left out is that the Sony and the Dell STILL RUN WINDOWS!! We Mac faithful are willing to pay a premium for our computers because they generally are more reliable, easier to use, don't get viruses and are built better than most PC's. Not to mention the Macs superior multimedia capabilities... Also keep in mind that while Windows is still waiting for "Longhorn" (now what, at 2006), we Mac users are looking at Panther (in a few weeks) and greater things to come long before Windows actually has anything significantly new or more reliable or safer to offer. This debate has been going on for literally decades. If you want a Dell or a Sony... buy one! You will definitely get what you pay for... and don't forget to turn on that firewall and fire up that virus software... 'cuz you're gonn need it!

Ted

I agree. Most people buy a Mac due to the OS, not the hardware. If (and let's don't start down this path) Mac OS ran on x86 architecture, people would do it. And this is simply for the fact that the architecture has a broader base and development is much faster this way. Granted the outside of Apple products look much better than their PC counterparts, but when the rubber hits the road, it's the internals that get the job done.

There's nothing wrong with the x86 architecture. The only thing I can see so far that Apple has that x86 doesn't is FW800. Well, if you can add a card in later to the machine to support FW800, no big deal. And Apple has taken bits right from x86. Remember when Mac's were all SCSI? Or how about ADB? They adopted IDE and PCI, because it was too expensive for manufacturers to adopt to a proprietary bus (in case of ADB). IDE was adopted because SCSI didn't really provide any benefit at the desktop. They went to a 15-pin VGA port as well, and now they are using PCI-X.

I guess my point gets down to the fact that it seems the real war is at the OS level, not the architecture.

 

[tomf87]

Originally posted by daveL
What a crock. I've had mine for more than 10 months, lugged it on airplanes for months on end, use it everyday, all day, as my primary machine, and it doesn't have a scratch on it. In fact, if I tried to sell it to you, in person, you'd swear it was a brand new machine. TiBook: 1 GHz, 1 GB, superdrive. Best laptop I've ever owned or used.

Thanks, daveL! Didn't mean to excite you there.. Just wanting to get an idea of if this was an isolated incident or not.

 

[pgwalsh]

Re: Re: Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by tomf87
I agree. Most people buy a Mac due to the OS, not the hardware. If (and let's don't start down this path) Mac OS ran on x86 architecture, people would do it. And this is simply for the fact that the architecture has a broader base development is much faster this way.

There's nothing wrong with the x86 architecture. The only thing I can see so far that Apple has that x86 doesn't is FW800. Well, if you can add a card in later to the machine to support FW800, no big deal. And Apple has taken bits right from x86. Remember when Mac's were all SCSI? Or how about ADB? They adopted IDE and PCI, because it was too expensive for manufacturers to adopt to a proprietary bus (in case of ADB). IDE was adopted because SCSI didn't really provide any benefit at the desktop. They went to a 15-pin VGA port as well, and now they are using PCI-X.

I guess my point gets down to the fact that it seems the real war is at the OS level, not the architecture.

Don't forget about who developed USB.

 

[tomf87]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Lower prices? Ha-ha!

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Don't forget about who developed USB.

Ahhh yes... Just trying to get to the point that some things should be done collaboratively, rather than against each other.

 

[daveL]

Re: 10.2.6 is it...

Originally posted by xDANx
i was at a demo of the G5 put on by apple canada in montreal last night...they said that 10.2.7 contains absolutely no improvements over 10.2.6...no bug fixes, no new features, only support for G5 hardware. they basically said that 10.2.6 is it for non-G5 hardware until 10.3. whether or not that means that 'blackrider' is for G5 powerbooks, i have no idea. but unless smeagol already includes support for the mythical powerbook G5 hardware then it's reasonable to assume that another version of 10.2.7 would be needed.

That's odd. Apple seeded 10.2.8 to developers several days ago and is for all non-G5 Macs only. I'm running it now.