Yeah there seems to be no satisfying some peopleneonart said:Yeah, that would be alot of bickering and wining!
Once the G5's are released then all the rumors turn to Powerbook rumors and everybody whines about those. It's really funny...
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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?
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numediaman said:
See, I don't really agree with the game idea. I have a very nice PC, but it doesn't see a single game. There really isn't that wide of a selection -- if you don't play RTS, MMORPG, or FPS games (all of which are pretty much online-only, when it comes down to who is playing them), you have very little game selection on PCs.
If you're really craving a nice breadth of games and want them ASAP, get a game console. You can get a gamecube for $99 and it looks beautiful (and has mario kart!). If you really want to play online, there's the Xbox for under $200 and you have a selection of games in both situation that aren't anywhere as dwindling as the PC-side.
It seems a bit stupid to get a $1000 PC and constantly upgrade your video card every 6 months just to be able to play a few FPS's. If you're a mac user and really want to play games, buy a console, and you won't be playing the upgrade game or the frames-per-second game or any of that.
Duff-Man says....Not only will the whining turn to the Powerbooks and/or iMacs but we will also have to contend with the whining about the Powermac update - "not fast enough," "why didn't they add....," "price still too high," "update sucks, I'm buying a Dell/Alienware," yada yada yada......oh yeah!neonart said:
Viavoice is out for me because I don't speak clearly. I might buy the current high end Imac. I'll wait until the end of April to see what Apple does. I can't burn music in XP because it dosn't work. The dumb menu bar is hard to figure out.Dont Hurt Me said:
OK, I am currently a PC user, considering purchasing a mac in the near future (waiting for rev. B powermacs). I'm not sure I'd call myself a "switcher," as I plan to keep and continue to use my PC for things like gaming. I am more of a "technology buff" - I am interested in checking out and learning the Apple/OS X side of things. Not to mention the UNIX underpinnings of OS X make me drool .
One thing I wonder though, is all you people who hate Windows, have you used any version post-ME?? I use Windows XP on a self-built machine, and it is ROCK solid. I have not had a single "blue screen" in like a year or more. My OS has virtually never hard crashed. My machine is super-quick. It cold boots in about 28 seconds. I freely grant Windows is nowhere near as "slick" as OS X, but aside from the UNIX angle, I can do everything in Windows that I can in OS X. So I simply do not buy the whole "OS X is more stable XP sucks angle," because for me, its flat out not the case. 2 kernel panics in a year? That's more than I've had...
In response to the guy above talking about how "macs are for professionals," I think you are flat out wrong. Power macs are for pros, but you only have to take one look at an iMac to know that thing isn't going to be found in any office. I think Don't Hurt Me has a valid point, though he stated it a few too many times. To me, its not the low-end Apple has trouble with. In my mind, the eMac is a pretty capable little machine for the low end market. Where Apple can't compete right now is the "power user market." People like me, who love computers and technology, but aren't professionals. People who say "I could go build a top of the line PC myself for 1000 bucks." Apple needs to offer something for these people - something along the lines of a 2.0 G5 single with lots of options, around $1500 decently equipped.
. One thing I wonder though, is all you people who hate Windows, have you used any version post-ME?? I use Windows XP on a self-built machine, and it is ROCK solid. I have not had a single "blue screen" in like a year or more. My OS has virtually never hard crashed. My machine is super-quick. It cold boots in about 28 seconds. I freely grant Windows is nowhere near as "slick" as OS X, but aside from the UNIX angle, I can do everything in Windows that I can in OS X. So I simply do not buy the whole "OS X is more stable XP sucks angle," because for me, its flat out not the case. 2 kernel panics in a year? That's more than I've had...
In response to the guy above talking about how "macs are for professionals," I think you are flat out wrong. Power macs are for pros, but you only have to take one look at an iMac to know that thing isn't going to be found in any office. I think Don't Hurt Me has a valid point, though he stated it a few too many times. To me, its not the low-end Apple has trouble with. In my mind, the eMac is a pretty capable little machine for the low end market. Where Apple can't compete right now is the "power user market." People like me, who love computers and technology, but aren't professionals. People who say "I could go build a top of the line PC myself for 1000 bucks." Apple needs to offer something for these people - something along the lines of a 2.0 G5 single with lots of options, around $1500 decently equipped.
paulsecic said:
I've tried IBM Via Voice myself. I don't think that I have any speech problems. When I tried, it seems that you need to have such a regimented monotone type of voice. I got very frustrated. Alamos like you would need a voice coach to lead you through pronunciation exercises. It would be nice if the program could learn a persons voice pattern. Instead of you having to learn the pattern of the program. Just be able to use normal conversational English.
Folks, you all gotta cheer up! I could understand the whining and the being concerned with the speed of the Apple hardware if we were still being tied to Moto, cpu-wise... Repeat after me: THERE WILL BE G5s INSIDE THE IMAC AND POWERBOOKS IN 2004!
Oh, and the affordable prosumer "headless iMac" already exists. It's called the low-end PowerMac G5 and is available for 1.599 USD (combo drive version) from apple.com.
Oh, and the affordable prosumer "headless iMac" already exists. It's called the low-end PowerMac G5 and is available for 1.599 USD (combo drive version) from apple.com.
jahutch said:
This is true. A lot of people are hung up on Window's being this beat up Yugo type OS. This is not so the case anymore. My Win2k machine was very reliable (with a few exceptions).
I simply dislike Windows and the way it operates. I like to plug in a USB mouse and not have the "a new device has been added" window. When I eject USB and Firewire drives, they really eject... something kinda weird always happens in Windows.
I like the dock, the Finder, Safari, Address Book,iSync, iCal, iTunes, iMovie. I like how games run on my Mac better than they did on my PC (and I don't mean FPS). I like how my G4, Powerbook, and iPod function; how they look. How the parts don't feel "made in China", even if they are made there! Has anyone seen the inside of a G5? Heck, a G4? That's R&D and engineering. It shows throughout the product- hardware, OS, software. That's what I like about Apple and it's products. It's an all-around great experience with quality to boot.
When you do get your Mac jahutch, notice how long it takes you to go from out-of-the-box to being online. A smart guy like you, with an ethernet cable, will be online in 5 mins on a machine that has never been used! I think you'll love your Mac! Enjoy!
This thread has lost the bubble
No kidding! I am sorry to see that this thread like many others in the past that have gone on and on and on has completely lost focus. They all start out well enough with people discussing possible new toys, but eventually the conversation turns to Mac v. PC and how Apple has to increase market share. I am trying to get the dirt on new Powerbooks only to read post after post of you suck and this is what Apple should do. Does anyone have any tangible info regarding new computers?
invaLPsion said:After reading all of these posts I have almost forgotten that powermacs could come out on Tuesday. Does anyone have anything on topic anymore?
No kidding! I am sorry to see that this thread like many others in the past that have gone on and on and on has completely lost focus. They all start out well enough with people discussing possible new toys, but eventually the conversation turns to Mac v. PC and how Apple has to increase market share. I am trying to get the dirt on new Powerbooks only to read post after post of you suck and this is what Apple should do. Does anyone have any tangible info regarding new computers?
jahutch said:
That's certainly not the case for everyone here. I'm posting from XP on my Athlon system (Battlefield Vietnam is installing in the background). The iBook is downstairs.
I don't hate Windows, but I do hate many things about windows {the registry, viruses, worms, security exploits, spyware, continuing problems installing straightforward USB devices like my Epson Stylus CX5400..}
There are some things I definately like about windows, like the ability for applications to tie themselves into the user interface in interesting ways.. Luckily for me (as a primary Mac, regular Windows user), Apple has been stealing the best features of Windows for years now.
For general use, I'm still a Mac fan. I just prefer the experience. I know it has a lot to do with the Mac OS being the environment that I learned on... but I have to say that Windows continues to be a bigger source of frustration to me than the Mac OS (I LOVE when you set up a new system and you get half a dozen un-identified devices with no clue as to what hardware they are associated with.. or which driver is required to 'fix' them)
I don't hate windows though... close, but not full on hate.
jahutch said:
I wouldn't take it too seriously, people tend to be confrontational on boards like this. I don't certainly don't "hate" Windows -- though it does tend to make me giggle.
Concerning whether the Mac is a "pro" machine -- I think they are only talking about the G5, or whatever machine is at the top of the line. And by "pro", most people would say graphics professionals. This doesn't mean that Windows machines aren't "pro". I know of several major publishing houses that went WinTel because they thought Apple was going out of business. Now, several years later, 95% of the graphics people there have never used a Mac.
People tend to get defensive about their Macs because no one wants to see the OS disappear completely. Mac users aren't a cult, it just seems like it sometimes.
numediaman said:I wouldn't take it too seriously, people tend to be confrontational on boards like this. I don't certainly don't "hate" Windows -- though it does tend to make me giggle.
Concerning whether the Mac is a "pro" machine -- I think they are only talking about the G5, or whatever machine is at the top of the line. And by "pro", most people would say graphics professionals. This doesn't mean that Windows machines aren't "pro". I know of several major publishing houses that went WinTel because they thought Apple was going out of business. Now, several years later, 95% of the graphics people there have never used a Mac.
People tend to get defensive about their Macs because no one wants to see the OS disappear completely. Mac users aren't a cult, it just seems like it sometimes.
I find it interesting that Apple's market share is allegedly decreasing. I know one guy who just bought a PB, and I know all kinds of people who are becoming interested in Macs that prior to the OS X UNIX connection would have gagged at the thought of a Mac. Maybe that's because I hang out with a bunch of people who are programmers and often *nix nuts.
Yes I am interested in your club.MacRAND said:My MacBuddy GLENN is in pretty much the same boat as you are. He has automated just about everything he can think of, and we are setting up an iSight and iChatAV which he likes because of the AUDIO. Almost everyone has AUDIO if they have an iBook or PowerBook. Great way to communicate.
His hands are curled up but he still prefers to use the keyboard and hold a trackball instead of a mouse. We've been thinking of starting a MacACCESS club. Are you interested?
We would look into computer programs with automated telephone and Address Book on Mac OS X (was available on OS 9), and all kinds of "ACCESS" issues.
TechnoBuff
I, too, am a technology buff, and I never resist the Hands On Imperative. The first computer I ever bought was a Compaq Portable, and the second thing I did with it was take it apart. The only machine I have not yet field-stripped is the G4 iBook I'm typing on. (I did add memory and an Airport card, but that doesn't really count...). I have built many machines, some for cheap, others tuned for performance built with the highest quality / fastest / most expensive (but I repeat myself) parts available.
That said, I disagree. Let us be honest here: Neither of us really builds PCs. We assemble them from parts, like Dr. Frankenstein. Sometimes the parts are good, sometimes they're from Abby-Normal, but the stitches and bolts always show.
Now open a dual-G5 PowerMac. Notice how easy it was to open - just one little latch? Take a look inside. See any tangled wires? Any hanging cables? Any proliferation of power cords?
That's the difference. Apple doesn't just assemble computers, they don't even just build computers. They DESIGN a complete environment. The dual-G5 is a work of art. Panther runs on it as if it were designed for it, because it *was*.
The fit and finish, the attention to detail, these are what differentiate the generic beige box beside me (custom-assembled by Your Humble Narrator) from Apple PowerMac which will, Ghu willing, be sitting here next week.
The argument can be made, why pay extra for fit and finish when it's tucked under a desk? Why pay for the lack of clutter inside a box that no one will open except to add memory or a hard drive? Who will know?
I will. And that counts for something.
-- Bill
I, too, am a technology buff, and I never resist the Hands On Imperative. The first computer I ever bought was a Compaq Portable, and the second thing I did with it was take it apart. The only machine I have not yet field-stripped is the G4 iBook I'm typing on. (I did add memory and an Airport card, but that doesn't really count...). I have built many machines, some for cheap, others tuned for performance built with the highest quality / fastest / most expensive (but I repeat myself) parts available.
That said, I disagree. Let us be honest here: Neither of us really builds PCs. We assemble them from parts, like Dr. Frankenstein. Sometimes the parts are good, sometimes they're from Abby-Normal, but the stitches and bolts always show.
Now open a dual-G5 PowerMac. Notice how easy it was to open - just one little latch? Take a look inside. See any tangled wires? Any hanging cables? Any proliferation of power cords?
That's the difference. Apple doesn't just assemble computers, they don't even just build computers. They DESIGN a complete environment. The dual-G5 is a work of art. Panther runs on it as if it were designed for it, because it *was*.
The fit and finish, the attention to detail, these are what differentiate the generic beige box beside me (custom-assembled by Your Humble Narrator) from Apple PowerMac which will, Ghu willing, be sitting here next week.
The argument can be made, why pay extra for fit and finish when it's tucked under a desk? Why pay for the lack of clutter inside a box that no one will open except to add memory or a hard drive? Who will know?
I will. And that counts for something.
-- Bill
jahutch said:OK, I am currently a PC user, considering purchasing a mac in the near future (waiting for rev. B powermacs). I'm not sure I'd call myself a "switcher," as I plan to keep and continue to use my PC for things like gaming. I am more of a "technology buff" - I am interested in checking out and learning the Apple/OS X side of things. Not to mention the UNIX underpinnings of OS X make me drool
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To me, its not the low-end Apple has trouble with. In my mind, the eMac is a pretty capable little machine for the low end market. Where Apple can't compete right now is the "power user market." People like me, who love computers and technology, but aren't professionals. People who say "I could go build a top of the line PC myself for 1000 bucks." Apple needs to offer something for these people - something along the lines of a 2.0 G5 single with lots of options, around $1500 decently equipped.
nightcap965 said:
Bill - That is the second time today that a mac person has made me simply say......"wow, people like you and myself really do care about their Macs.....Since October I've started to realize it's much further than "a Box and a Person."
Nicely said. Thats why I'm switching. Windoze is and will ever be hard. My Dell is nice but OS X won't run on it.Zaty said:
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GOOD, duly noted. Glenn has relatives in town (Phoenix, AZ) from Canada and won't be free for several weeks. I will not forget you. Keep in touch. MacRANDpaulsecic said:
Here's my 2 cents on this windows running nicely vs os x and what not.
I need my computer to do work, that's it. I dont want to get rid of viruses, i dont want to get rid of spyware, i dont want to go into the registry to change things that should be in the UI. I dont want a lot of things to happen on a computer while I am trying to work. That's all I want (Or don't want)
Well, the mac gives that to me, and a nice UI +unix to boot. That's all that matters to me right now, and as others have said, consoles are becoming more and more powerful and capable (online access, chat etc. etc.), so, I could just game on a 50 dollar GC (not that i game anymore..).
Lots of things on windows have to be tricked to work well, and usually dont work very well. Some things you have to do backwards, even in xp or 2k. Its like grabbing your left ear with your right hand over your head.. Sure, there are lots of programs for windows, but do they work well, and are not a pain to stare at?
I need my computer to do work, that's it. I dont want to get rid of viruses, i dont want to get rid of spyware, i dont want to go into the registry to change things that should be in the UI. I dont want a lot of things to happen on a computer while I am trying to work. That's all I want (Or don't want
) Well, the mac gives that to me, and a nice UI +unix to boot. That's all that matters to me right now, and as others have said, consoles are becoming more and more powerful and capable (online access, chat etc. etc.), so, I could just game on a 50 dollar GC (not that i game anymore..).
Lots of things on windows have to be tricked to work well, and usually dont work very well. Some things you have to do backwards, even in xp or 2k. Its like grabbing your left ear with your right hand over your head.. Sure, there are lots of programs for windows, but do they work well, and are not a pain to stare at?
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