Years ago there was floppy support for OS X, I think it was read only, I used it once on my 8600.
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PowerSurging to Mac OS X 10.5.8: Power Macintosh 9600 fun
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only via a 3rd party driver for the SWIM3 controller and it only works up to 10.2.8 sadly IIRC
its something I have been meaning to mess with at some point just for the novlity of it
but yeah OS X never supported the built in floppy drives officially/natively (at least not in 10.x I dont know about 1.x something to try some day!)
I always thought that was weird given that lots of officially supported Macs shipped with floppy drives. And the classic environment exists which would make perfect use of whatever would most likely be on a floppy.
The very first 1984 Macintosh released with different kinds of keyboard and mouse ports - the keyboard used a connector that looked like a phone jack, and the mouse used a 9-pin D-Sub connector (not to be confused with an IBM-compatible COM port mouse which used incompatible signaling).
This persisted until 1987 and the Macintosh SE when they followed the precedent set by the Apple IIgs (released a few months earlier) by using ADB for its keyboard and mouse.
If I'm not mistaken, ADB persisted as an internal bus (for built-in keyboards and trackpads) on Macintosh laptops right up until very close to the end of the PowerPC era - and so at least early versions of Mac OS 10.x certainly must have supported it.
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New here...I saw a post from LightBulbFun on how he 'fudged' his TT 128 video card to work with 10.4.11 on his 9600. I'm in the process of installing 10.4 to my 9650 workgroup server and it has the same video card. After going through the Xpostfacto installation, I can actually hear the 10.4 'song' when it's finally done booting but can't see the 10.4 screen. Somewhere along the install I lost the video and I took a snapshot of what I see. This comes up every time when I boot so I'm thinking if I can just get over the video issue, I'll be able to see OS X on my screen. I see a statement on the attached photo where it says ROM ndrv for tt 128mbA is too old so that must be the problem. This screen shot is all the video I see as video stops here but 9650 continues to boot up into 10.4.
Just looking for any help or guidance to get through this as I'm so close now.
Just looking for any help or guidance to get through this as I'm so close now.
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Hello! welcome to the Forum
in Xpostfacto's settings will be an option/tick-box to force OS X to use ROM based NDRV's it normally rejects
(it adds the boot-argument romndrv=1 if you need to manually add it yourself outside of xpostfacto)
this should get your 9600's video card to give an output in OS X
Hey LightB,
I tried that already and it didn't work. I was curious if you had to do some mod to a kext or something along those lines. I suppose I could try again but I have tried this setting twice with same result (see picture). I've also moved the 128 to a different slot and that had no effect.
I guess more importantly, from the attached picture, is that my real prob or could it be something else?
I tried that already and it didn't work. I was curious if you had to do some mod to a kext or something along those lines. I suppose I could try again but I have tried this setting twice with same result (see picture). I've also moved the 128 to a different slot and that had no effect.
I guess more importantly, from the attached picture, is that my real prob or could it be something else?
pretty much yeah, although the latest version of tiger is 10.4.11 so i recommend upgrading to that (which it will find via software update if your connected to the internet)
It's nice to see that these can be upgraded quite a bit. Thanks for sharing your results.
During troubleshooting the 10.4 freezing I was experiencing, my power supply died. While I was waiting for another power supply to arrive, I dug into the physical connections inside. I found a bent pin on one hard drive and a broken pin on another (lucky for me the broken pin was on a modified connector I made to make it easier to plug into hard drive).
After fixing those issues, I checked all hard drive jumper configs and flex cabling. The flex cable going to the 10.4 drive was a 30awg cable...it just felt kind of wimpy. So I replaced with 28awg cable.
Power supply arrived, installed it, crossed my fingers and turned it on. It booted right into 10.4 and I haven't had a freeze or lockup in the day I have played with it. I downloaded several updates and installed them all and and it all went smooth (knock on wood).
So now, I want to enable the L2 cache on my G3 upgrade card. Originally in Xpostfacto, I had that selection turned off as many said that caused issues during installation....and when I too tried it, my installation locked up and I haven't gone back and tried it since. So my question is should I try to install the cache enabler while in 10.4 (from Sonnet or PowerLogix) OR try to initiate it from Xpostfacto? I want to do this because 10.4 does run a bit sluggish but at same time, it is working without freezing or locking up. I also haven't installed the Crescendo 2.3 s/w on 10.4 either because system profiler shows that G3 upgrade card is working. Should I install that as well OR does that carry over from 9.1 install and Xpostfacto boot up into 10.4?
(Just FYI, my 9650 has 4 hard drives in it; 2 run 8.6, one drive runs 9.2.2 and the other of course runs 9.1/10.4. All drives run smooth now that I fixed the issues above. Keep in mind, this 9650 had been sitting in my basement for over 12 years before I got the itch to do this stuff....thanks to you guys after reading this particular post.)
Would appreciate any thoughts on this. Thanks.
After fixing those issues, I checked all hard drive jumper configs and flex cabling. The flex cable going to the 10.4 drive was a 30awg cable...it just felt kind of wimpy. So I replaced with 28awg cable.
Power supply arrived, installed it, crossed my fingers and turned it on. It booted right into 10.4 and I haven't had a freeze or lockup in the day I have played with it. I downloaded several updates and installed them all and and it all went smooth (knock on wood).
So now, I want to enable the L2 cache on my G3 upgrade card. Originally in Xpostfacto, I had that selection turned off as many said that caused issues during installation....and when I too tried it, my installation locked up and I haven't gone back and tried it since. So my question is should I try to install the cache enabler while in 10.4 (from Sonnet or PowerLogix) OR try to initiate it from Xpostfacto? I want to do this because 10.4 does run a bit sluggish but at same time, it is working without freezing or locking up. I also haven't installed the Crescendo 2.3 s/w on 10.4 either because system profiler shows that G3 upgrade card is working. Should I install that as well OR does that carry over from 9.1 install and Xpostfacto boot up into 10.4?
(Just FYI, my 9650 has 4 hard drives in it; 2 run 8.6, one drive runs 9.2.2 and the other of course runs 9.1/10.4. All drives run smooth now that I fixed the issues above. Keep in mind, this 9650 had been sitting in my basement for over 12 years before I got the itch to do this stuff....thanks to you guys after reading this particular post.)
Would appreciate any thoughts on this. Thanks.
glad you got things working in the end
for enabling L2 cache, use sonnets OS X L2/L3 cache enabler, and avoid xpostfacto's one
System Folder?
are we talking about OS X or Mac OS 9 here? I got the impression we where dealing with OS X here
if Mac OS 9 make sure your using the latest version of the Sonnet Extension (3.1 is the latest AFAIK)
if OS X, then post a picture of the Panic log ( AFAIK, Sonnets L2/L3 enabler is the only OS X one to work in tiger with these machines)
heres a link to the OS X one http://www.sonnettech.com/support/k...0_b175_b74_b228_b231_b260_b154&action=a13#a13
Let me ask my question a different way....what other L2 cache enablers have been successfully used for G3 upgrade cards? I've tried xpostfacto4 (lockup), L2CacheConfig 3.3 (the L2 enable box would not stay checked so I suspect that 3.3 isn't compatible with 10.4.11) and Sonnet cache enabler 1.4 (lockup).
Related to the above, does anyone have experience with Sonnet's PCI X Installer? I guess it would be considered a competitor to xpostfacto4. I've read where some folks who've used it say their G3/G4 card is 'faster' than using xpostfacto. I'm just trying to enable my L2 cache on G3 card (for speed) so looking at all options to make 10.4.11 run faster on my 9650. I have to say that currently 10.4.11 runs very stable so maybe I should leave it alone....but I know some of you would exhaust all options to make it run faster.
I've looked High and Low on internet for PCI X Installer and have been unsuccessful so far to date.
Related to the above, does anyone have experience with Sonnet's PCI X Installer? I guess it would be considered a competitor to xpostfacto4. I've read where some folks who've used it say their G3/G4 card is 'faster' than using xpostfacto. I'm just trying to enable my L2 cache on G3 card (for speed) so looking at all options to make 10.4.11 run faster on my 9650. I have to say that currently 10.4.11 runs very stable so maybe I should leave it alone....but I know some of you would exhaust all options to make it run faster.
I've looked High and Low on internet for PCI X Installer and have been unsuccessful so far to date.
if its freezing with the sonnet L2 cache enabler then that generally points to some sort of hardware problem
have you managed to enable the L2 cache ins classic Mac OS at least? (a gauge Pro shot will tell me if your not sure)
none of the other utlities you mention will work with Tiger (esp not Sonnet's PCI X installer or the Xpostfacto L2 cache enabler)
Hardware seems fine as L2 cache works in 8.6 and 9.2.2. I have verified this through a couple of tools. That's why I'm looking for a copy of Powerlogix L2 cache enabler as some have said that works where Sonnet didn't. If this doesn't work then I'm out of options and will just have to live with L2 cache not enabled. I'm extremely happy with the stability of 10.4.11 so can't complain about that.
Sonnet's tools can be touchy at times. Powerlogix s/w seems to be a bit more forgiving. Agree on xpostfacto for sure and PCI X installer I believe only works up through 10.2...is that correct?
Sonnet's tools can be touchy at times. Powerlogix s/w seems to be a bit more forgiving. Agree on xpostfacto for sure and PCI X installer I believe only works up through 10.2...is that correct?
Yeah Sonnets PCI X installer is just for up to 10.2
as for L2, the sonnet enabler, where is it locking up is it before or after OS X finishes booting? if its before, I know it loads pretty early on in the OS X boot process, so if you could enable verbose mode and show me where it hangs then I may be able to figure out whats going on
but remember OS X, is very picky about RAM, even more so once L2 and L3 caches are enabled, so RAM that might be fine for Mac OS 9 etc may be no good for OS X
its a shame no one sells new EDO or FPM RAM anymore, id love to buy 12 128MB sticks for my 9600 and give that a set of matching known good RAM
as for L2, the sonnet enabler, where is it locking up is it before or after OS X finishes booting? if its before, I know it loads pretty early on in the OS X boot process, so if you could enable verbose mode and show me where it hangs then I may be able to figure out whats going on
but remember OS X, is very picky about RAM, even more so once L2 and L3 caches are enabled, so RAM that might be fine for Mac OS 9 etc may be no good for OS X
its a shame no one sells new EDO or FPM RAM anymore, id love to buy 12 128MB sticks for my 9600 and give that a set of matching known good RAM
It craps out early during boot. I have verbose turned on (it's been on since the day I got 10.4 running so I just leave it that way). I'll have to load the Sonnet cache enabler again but no big deal. It might be a couple of days though.
My thoughts on RAM are that if it was that picky, wouldn't it have already locked up or froze by now w/o L2 enabled OR is it the combo of L2 and onboard RAM together that cause it to get weird? If it didn't like my RAM, I would have expected lockup city by now with or w/o L2 working....but you prolly know more than I.
My thoughts on RAM are that if it was that picky, wouldn't it have already locked up or froze by now w/o L2 enabled OR is it the combo of L2 and onboard RAM together that cause it to get weird? If it didn't like my RAM, I would have expected lockup city by now with or w/o L2 working....but you prolly know more than I.
I only tried the Sonnet cache enabler once and from what I remember, it crapped out fairly early on. I guess to give you an idea, I run xpostfacto in verbose mode so when I tried the enabler, it locked up before I got through a whole page of verbose statements on my monitor. In a normal boot up it seems like I would run through almost 2 pages on my monitor. Now you got me thinking so I need to try it again and take a picture and post it for you guys....It may just be a day or two (that work thing gets in the way sometimes).
Reggie SE, from CHUD Tools can read and write to a verity of registers, if you can find the white paper on you CPU we can likely set the L2CCR manually with Reggie and see what that does.