Not to beat a dead horse, but what I think you meant to say was, the vast majority of iPhone users/buyers don't post comments on internet message boards.
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PR Experts: iPhone 4 Hardware Recall is "Inevitable"
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Not to beat a dead horse, but what I think you meant to say was, the vast majority of iPhone users/buyers don't post comments on internet message boards.
What does add up, however, is that Apple is a publicly traded company. It would be incredibly foolish of them to make public statements regarding the number of phones sold and then have to retract that when it became obvious in their SEC filings that the numbers where cooked.
Yeah man, we are definitely talking around 2 million. It's not like they waited until the eve of launch day to start manufacturing. And there is not one magical factory doing 100% of the work.
I'd have to agree I think the internet is responsible for this outrage. I have not had a single issue with my phone. Neither have any of my friends that bought one.
I'd have to agree I think the internet is responsible for this outrage. I have not had a single issue with my phone. Neither have any of my friends that bought one.
Bingo...and just when I thought Toyota and the mythical sticking pedal had exhausted all the irrational, sky-is-falling hype the internet had to offer...
It would kick my respect for apple way up if they were to actually recall the phone and fix what was wrong with it. They would have a customer for life, as I would know that if there truly was a problem, they would fix it. Peace of mind when buying a product is valuable.
the recall/redesign is called iphone 5 and it will come out in june 2011...
aren't we all 2 million fools?????? at least the blue screen of death could be fixed with a software update ahhahhahahhahahhaha
600*millions.....if you like apple do not even joke around this
aren't we all 2 million fools?????? at least the blue screen of death could be fixed with a software update ahhahhahahhahahhaha600*millions.....if you like apple do not even joke around this
In regard to a supposed "recall," i'll be very surprised to see apple do this. To the best of my knowledge and unscientific questioning of friends who have the iPhone 4, it's a software glitch that will be fixed soon. I think the Internet, media, and competition have exacerbated the whole thing like the iPad wifi issues a few months ago.
Did you even read the consumer reports test on the issue? They tested 3 iPhone 4's along with other phones (including the 3gs) in the same controlled environment and the iPhone 4 was the only one to lose its signal. If it was software related then the 3gs should also be dropping calls because Apple said that the algorithm that they have been using for years was wrong. So if you believe apple and their software excuse then the 3gs would be dropping bars and calls since it uses the same algorithm to detect signal strength.
Things really couldn't get worse for them publicly. The word is out that this phone has problems on local news, national news, CR, electronic sites etc... Even a software update won't make people feel comfortable about it or counter the bad reputation it's had.
A recall would go public and people would see that Apple is trying to fix what's wrong. Personally, as someone who has worked professionally in marketing, a recall would be a better PR move than a legit software fix.
With the stock market going up today, the issues are evidence with Apple's stock declining. Their bestselling product has people hesitant to purchase one.
A recall would go public and people would see that Apple is trying to fix what's wrong. Personally, as someone who has worked professionally in marketing, a recall would be a better PR move than a legit software fix.
With the stock market going up today, the issues are evidence with Apple's stock declining. Their bestselling product has people hesitant to purchase one.
Let me put this another way--did you notice what they didnt say?
I saw that entire article and it still didn't explain a single thing except that apples are apples and oranges are still oranges... For instance, what sort of 3G chip was being used? On what frequencies? They never posted their test protocols, all they said was "we tested it with several other phones, including the 3GS.". Assuming apple has changed the 3G chipset (more than likely they have), Id like to know exactly what sort of so called "engineers" these were--anyone with a HS diploma can call themselves a test engineer.
Again, Apple's whole excuse is an algorithm that is also used in the 3gs. So according to apple it is just that algorithm and nothing hardware related. If you believe apple and their excuse then the 3gs should be having the same problem. Even if apple did change a chipset, if all of these other phones including the 3gs are working perfectly in a controlled environment and the iPhone 4 is not, then that is a design problem. Also, i highly doubt that these "engineers" only have a high school diploma. Consumer reports is a very respected site, we aren't talking about some blog that a high school kid runs out of his room on the weekends.
Software can assist this issue but it won't solve it. This is a hardware problem plain and simple.
Is there a setting to block posts by users who created their accounts in July 2010?
Haha yeah. I thought Jun 10 was bad, but Jul 10 seems to be worse, and I hate to hold people's longevity or posting history against them, but these particular forums have been deluged in the past two months with a lot of people who have no awareness or consideration for where or what they are saying or doing.
I always believe to join a forum first and read it for a while to get a feel for it and an understanding for the community. After that I might start posting in some threads that I have opinions or questions on. Only after integrating myself would I then start posting threads about this that and the other thing.
It just feels like a bunch of strangers are running around screaming and yelling without a care in the world for who they are impacting or how they are behaving.
Also there is not going to be a recall.
As for the consumer report article, their methodology is invalid. Testing the 3G and 3GS by holding over the antenna spot on the 4 makes no sense. I can cause 2-3 bars signal lose easy on my 3G with a case on. They actually have to test it on the place that is most vulnerable to interference on a particular phone. If they did that with the 3GS for example, the 3GS would fail and the 4 would be perfect. There is nothing scientific about their testing at all. All they did is confirm something everyone already knew.
I was just going to say the same thing. How is a problem involved in touching the hardware possibly going to be able to get fixed through a software update? How is that possible?
Excuse...explanation...whatever. The fact is that Apple has stated they tested it, replicated it, and that it is a software issue. That is their public stated stance. Assuming Apple's intent or knowledge otherwise is just pure conjecture at this point.
As far as the 3G chipset, the iOS update is not a one-size-fits-all solution. The update will be different for each handset due to differing hardware specifications (ie. magnetomitor, chipset, screen, etc.).
Consumer Reports isn't the granite mountain of empirical truth that you think it is. Otherwise, why did they not post the testing procedure, specifications, and results? All I saw was a guy holding up a roll of duct tape who wasn't even an "engineer" but an "editor" for CR.
Sorry, but it's comical that you put so much faith in in CR, and none in the data or gaps within.
Thats the thing its not, Apple from the start said that their software update is just to make the signal detection more accurate, the software update isn't meant to fix dropped calls.
All of you guys suggesting a recall, what are they going to replace it with? It's the design of the phone. Coating the antenna probably won't do it. You are still going to see attenuation since there is almost no space between your flesh and the antenna, unlike when the antenna is located internally. So that would mean that there won't be iPhone 4 until they completely redesign the phone.
I'm sure if there is an easy fix like coating the antenna, Apple would've done it already. Just look at the Time Machine fix Apple is providing after several years later for faulty power. If there is a "fix" that doesn't involve redesigning, they'll do it, but it looks like the case option is it right now. All you can do now is hope that Apple comes up with a solution not involving a case or just return the phone for something else. Also for those of you that doubt a software fix, it may be possible to alleviate the signal loss issue by making the phone use the strongest signal instead of the signal with least amount of noise like the current iPhone is using. This should work in most areas unless there is only single crappy signal available.
I'm sure if there is an easy fix like coating the antenna, Apple would've done it already. Just look at the Time Machine fix Apple is providing after several years later for faulty power. If there is a "fix" that doesn't involve redesigning, they'll do it, but it looks like the case option is it right now. All you can do now is hope that Apple comes up with a solution not involving a case or just return the phone for something else. Also for those of you that doubt a software fix, it may be possible to alleviate the signal loss issue by making the phone use the strongest signal instead of the signal with least amount of noise like the current iPhone is using. This should work in most areas unless there is only single crappy signal available.
Simple. If you change the length of any antenna by lengthening or shortening it, you impede the signal since the antenna is no longer tuned for the RF wavelengths.
You guys seriously should take some courses in RF design. I'm a historian by trade yet I don't go blindly accepting what a magazine has to say. I put a little more faith in someone with some credentials in their statements and initials behind their names who work in this respective field. You guys just believe everything you read or hear.
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I didn't bother reading the report, but if they tested other iPhones by holding it in the same spot as iPhone 4 then it's a stupid a$$ test. We know exactly where the weak spot is on the iPhone 4, but other iPhone antennas are internal so they can't see where they need to hold for signal attentuation. I can say that my iPhone 3GS on iOS 4 exhibits similiar signal drop when I cup the bottom of the phone when I'm in weak signal area