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Good, that's actually what we need.

The world desperately needs this. This should actually happen all over the world. Maybe she can start a chain reaction! If I were American I’d vote for her just for this.

But, she would probably change tune once she wins the election.
 
Why does every presidential candidate have to have a big legislative idea? Um, wrong branch of government. Presidents sign stuff into law or veto it, Congress makes the laws. Presidents can set the agenda, sure, but Congress isn’t required to listen or even care. That’s especially true when Congress is a different party.

And for the record, the App Store certainly isn’t competitive but it’s doing a fairly good job encouraging software creation. The alternative is, what, Google’s free-for-all approach? No, thank you.
 
This is how socialism works.
Capitalism makes the money then the socialists come in full of criticism and silly advice saying they can do better and end up ruining everything.

There is no history of socialism ever making any money.....ever.

Now, of course the left doesn't like it that President Trump and Tim Cook are buds.....so they need to somehow upset it asap.
They have nothing to run on so they need to create problems and make people feel there is injustice going on and those same people are also all "victims".
 
This is how socialism works.
Capitalism makes the money then the socialists come in full of criticism and silly advice saying they can do better and end up ruining everything.

There is no history of socialism ever making any money.....ever.

Now, of course the left doesn't like it that President Trump and Tim Cook are buds.....so they need to somehow upset it asap.
They have nothing to run on so they need to create problems and make people feel there is injustice going on and those same people are also all "victims".
Both pure captilisim and pure communism results in like 100 super rich people and the rest of the population in absolute poverty. That’s why today’s America is in the middle.
 
Break up. What does that mean exactly?

Remember Anti-trust law? Brought in by the Republicans in the 1880s, when we started to have trouble with huge corporations forming into trusts, so that one company could own almost all the market? Named the Sherman Antitrust Act, after General Sherman. If it wasn't for that, we would have had one oil company-- Rockefeller's Standard Oil-- and one company controlling the prices, and you know when that happens, the price goes up. So we got the Seven Sisters, not Standard Oil. Later, we got away from the AT&T monopoly. Lots of regional carriers, and gosh, long distance rates came down to .10 a minute instead of dollars per minute.

To my mind, this action doesn't quite understand what the big 5 or so are doing. I'd be much more interested in clamping down on our digital data belonging to US, and that would mean Facebook and Google and the ISPs would have to ask our permission, once, if we would allow them to gather our information, and that for ad purposes, research purposes, etc., they could only sell anonymized data. I object much more to monetizing our profiles, so that some smart politician could buy a list of all people who are married, or preganant, left or right, gay or straight, etc. Because once they get data that good, it's Big Brother here we come.

See, Facebook "charges" for nothing. Would you pay a subscription to Facebook if you didn't want any data about you to be sold or used by Facebook to make money? I think I would. What if the only data they could sell would be anonymized by district, which is roughly the way that advertisers pay for tv ads.

I'm not quite on board with Warren's plan... yet. I think she's a little preoccupied with price and the old monopoly legislation. That's okay with Amazon, perhaps, Google maybe, but not much to do with why Facebook sucks.
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Putting the brakes on merger mania in the corporate world isn't all that radical. Guaranteed the majority of voters have concerns about the power of huge corporations.

Agreed. But I'd look at the old ISPs/broadcasters, and other factors. They're going to pass a bill to reinstate net neutrality, and I think what we'll have to do there is subsidize rural access to the Internet and reduce the connections between cable companies and ISPs. The whole idea of AT&T owning CNN, or Comcast owning NBC, or the ISPs selling the data we HAVE to give them, is repulsive.
 
Not really. The bigger the business is the harder it is to avoid them. Google is everywhere. Good luck cutting them out of your life if you so choose.

I have no problem avoiding google services (I use DuckDuckGo for search, Safari and Firefox for browsing, my own mail servers and Microsoft Office 365, use iOS, tvOS, watchOS, and do not use android).

Same with amazon, nearly everything runs on their web services.

There is a difference between someone’s product that runs on AWS or sending mail to someone who hosts their mail on Google’s servers, and actively choosing to use their products oneself.
 
Seems exactly what we need... never mind that all ecosystems are failing and the world will be without fish and face a total environmental collapse within the next 20 years.
 
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha… This is exactly what happens when business people think they understand how technology works. This is the constant tug of war going on in these corporations as it is (business goals vs technology abilities). If she's allowed to execute her mandate as she sees it, she will single handedly destroy what's left of the computer industry and put us all back into the dark ages of a microsoft only world. What Apple did for the "small" independent programmers by opening up the app store was give new life to them and the small business world. We as consumers expect an extremely high level of service and quality of craftsmanship. Small businesses cannot afford to give us that. Period. That's why the competition died off or got bought out and only the big corporations remained. She is "correct" in that there are too few competitors right now, but "breaking up" these corporations won't achieve her goal because she doesn't understand what the consumers want or expect or willing to pay for. If she's really serious about "fixing" the current situation, she needs to figure out how encourage new giant corporations to enter the market and make competing experiences. As a consumer, I don't believe that Apple's or Google's app platforms are they best they can be. As such, they should not be dictated to us by our government as "standards" by which we all have to "live" by. There needs to be more competing platforms that raise the bar on usability, accessibility, and privacy. Not to overly toot the Apple horn, but Tim Cook famously said about competition - Apple welcome's it. It's good for business and it's good for us consumers. Paraphrased from his comments about the original Samsung vs iPhone lawsuit.
 
She just killed her campaign. I can't expect anything better from someone at her age and socioeconomic status.
 
I wouldn’t worry too much about big companies. Their inertia can be a handicap when consumer tastes change. Some eventually implode from internal bureaucracy and over confidence.
 
She wants to help small business by forcing Amazon to choose selling direct or third party only. Yeah that’s really helping small businesses. You know Amazon is going to choose direct.

Stop bull ******** the American people that you are helping them when instead you aren’t.
 
That's a really odd idea. If you split companies up by which markets they're active in, they won't actually start competing by having been split up. We'd just have stuff like "Apple Phones Co. Ltd." who would enter into a "strategic relationship with "Apple Software Division Co. Ltd." to only ship their software on their phones, and then "Apple Software Division Co. Ltd." would say to "Apple Digital Stores" that they had entered a strategic relationship to only allow the App Store on the phone. Now imagine this being done for all of Apple. We're back exactly where we started.

Yes, it sounds stupid when you put it that way. What if this was the deal:

Apple Computer: makes hardware, the best hardware, and that would include hardware that works with Mac OS, Linux, Windows and so on. They also make this awesome phone and tablet, able to run windows, android or ios. All in competition with other makers like Dell, Lenovo, HP, Xiaomi, ASUS, Samsung and others. This means you can run whatever OS you want on your shiny Apple-thing, and Apple Computer will focus on making sure their hardware is up to snuff.

Apple Software: They make MacOS, iOS, Logic, and host of other software. Software that run on any platform. Competes with Microsoft, Adobe, Steinberg, and others. This means you can run MacOS on whatever hardware you want to. They will have to start selling software for "PCs" as sales from being OEM-installed by Apple Computer will not make shareholders happy.

Apple services: runs iCloud, Apple Music and whatever the moving pictures part will be called., and other servicerelated stuff They make awesome services and close awesome deals with producers to create great shows that can be watched on any platform. Competes with Google, Amazon, Netflix and loads and loads of others. This means Apple Music will be running great on Android, it means the video-service will run on all kinds of tv-sets and set-top boxes.

Apple Retail: sells stuff from a lot of makers. Competes with Best Buy, and others (sorry a bit rusty here, I'm not american) by giving you the customer great service and a great shopping experience.

Now, how does this all sound? Still stupid? You could still buy your iPhone with iOS in an Apple Store and walk out of there listening to Apple Music. OR You could a Dell XPS online and a copy of MacOS to go on it.
 
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Not as looney as her colleagues. Yikes. Look at AOC.

Although these days, you basically have to adapt to whatever your party is pushing, else they disown you and pull your funding. So in some capacity, her and most of the current Dem candidates are one in the same. Which is really too bad. I'd love to see some more moderate candidates. I felt that the Dems of yesteryear still loved their country.
Unfortunately the days of the moderate democrat seem to be over, replaced by socialists (with borderline communistic ideals).
 
"Facebook would face real pressure from Instagram and WhatsApp to improve the user experience and protect our privacy," says Warren.
Elizabeth Warren is an interesting politician, but this is flat out insane. Facebook would feel zero pressure from Instagram because they own Instagram.
 
Let's say all the companies agreed with what she is saying. Will every company offer a different service depending on where you live? You can make Google/Apple/Facebook do this in America but what services they provide overseas she, or any other political party, has no say in.
 
The positive effects they outline may very well exist, but I think there is just too much damage that will be done with this service platform idea. I want my iPhone to have preinstalled apps. We *already* have the freedom to choose which apps we want to install. It’s not like nobody is allowed to use google maps.

What’s the next step? Ban the App Review process so that all apps have a fair shot? I like Warren, but not for this.

Bernie2020 – time to put our little dog trump back in his cage
 
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