I sent Weaselboy and maflynn a PM saying I waive my rights, and they added it to my profile. I would send them a PM, wait for them to respond, and then post.
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Perfect I waive my rights to privacy. I will post everything later, when I am on my computer.
I am not sure if moderation is the issue or the rules are an issue but either way I think most would agree what is getting people banned is absurd.
Just my opinion though.
I am not sure if moderation is the issue or the rules are an issue but either way I think most would agree what is getting people banned is absurd.
Just my opinion though.
Thanks for working with the members here. A lot of forums that I've been apart of in the past - mods are god and slam their gavels down hard. Very cool. @SandboxGeneral too!
I imagine it can't be easy to add this extra work to an already high work load.
You can certainly do that, but when the admins pop in here to answer you, they will quote your moderated posts, then explain why they were moderated. So if you want, you can save yourself the work of tracking things down and copy/pasting. Either way is okay.
Now that I waived my rights to privacy.
Here are the three incidents that cost me access to PRSI. I don't expect the ban to be lifted or anything to change, but I think it's fair that people know what can get them banned. As stated before I was not away that MR changed the rules and permanently banned people. If I was aware I would not have commented to @samcraig that day.
Here are the three incidents that cost me access to PRSI. I don't expect the ban to be lifted or anything to change, but I think it's fair that people know what can get them banned. As stated before I was not away that MR changed the rules and permanently banned people. If I was aware I would not have commented to @samcraig that day.
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Okay, since it's posted my opinion as a MR poster reading this exchange.
#1. insults
#2. trolling
#3. insults
It's all to easy to be drawn into the PRSI drama.
That's my entire point. The moderation here is more strict than say the Apple subreddit, the forums clamp down on curse words, what you can and can't say about moderation, frivolous or one word posts, etc. There's so many rules and regulations here but racism, sexism, and homophobia get a pass under the guise of being an opinion. It's absolutely ridiculous that a harshly moderated site allows this stuff regularly.
Give me boring over what we currently have in the political forums
I get what it is, but my main issue is they are very mild things to permanently ban someone especially when the rules of permanently banning members was recently added and users weren't made aware or warned that they would be banned.
People take little jabs at people every day in real life. The closer I am to a friend the more we pick on each other. Especially when I was in the Army.
My major gripe is the rules and that a small sarcastic response to something brings the mods out. The mods say there is a lot of work here, in my opinion they make it that way. By nitpicking at every little comment. If I ever get my access back I have to learn to space my sarcasm out to no more than twice every 6 months?
These are the three posts** that got me banned from PRSI:
1. For trolling/intentional provovaction (but later changed to insulting a member):
2. For insulting a member:
3. For trolling/intentional provocation:
My biggest concern is that the rule against trolling/intentional provocation is incredibly subjective, and a member can’t be sure where the line is until they cross it. I continue to believe that the post that resulted in the third violation is far less egregious than a lot of other posts I see in PRSI on a daily basis. I would also suggest, with respect to the first violation, that the rules should be modified to permit a poster to point out a racist statement from another poster.
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** I have also received two “reminders” about the profanity filter (once for posting a picture of a screen cap of a tweet that contained a banned term, in a thread discussing Samantha Bee’s use of that particular term, and once for using asterisks in place of certain letters in an expletive in a quote from the Secretary of State). I don’t believe that they were considered rules violations for purposes of the three strikes rule, but I would also suggest that the moderator messages be more clear about that. I would also suggest that every moderator messages regarding a rule violation prominently note the three strikes rule.
1. For trolling/intentional provovaction (but later changed to insulting a member):
2. For insulting a member:
3. For trolling/intentional provocation:
My biggest concern is that the rule against trolling/intentional provocation is incredibly subjective, and a member can’t be sure where the line is until they cross it. I continue to believe that the post that resulted in the third violation is far less egregious than a lot of other posts I see in PRSI on a daily basis. I would also suggest, with respect to the first violation, that the rules should be modified to permit a poster to point out a racist statement from another poster.
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** I have also received two “reminders” about the profanity filter (once for posting a picture of a screen cap of a tweet that contained a banned term, in a thread discussing Samantha Bee’s use of that particular term, and once for using asterisks in place of certain letters in an expletive in a quote from the Secretary of State). I don’t believe that they were considered rules violations for purposes of the three strikes rule, but I would also suggest that the moderator messages be more clear about that. I would also suggest that every moderator messages regarding a rule violation prominently note the three strikes rule.
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I wouldn't say the sarcastic response brings mods out. It's most likely a person reported your post which brought the mod in. Being a former mod at a car site, people would naturally complain because they think they or a certain group were singled out while others were getting a pass for similar behavior. It's simply a case of their posts were the ones getting reported so it was brought to our attention while the ones they thought were getting a pass were not.
Then we got a slew of reported posts that were frivolous so then they could say they were reporting posts and still getting a pass.....
A mods job is a thankless one and they can never win.
That's precisely it right there regarding PRSI at MR. I can tell you that the staff here do not go rooting around in PRSI unless they have to based on a report.
I'd love to spill the beans and shed the light on the people who actually report some of you in PRSI, but I can't (publicly or privately). I know who they are and if it were known, some of them might surprise everyone and others would come as no surprise.
My point is that the mods do not go looking for violations. The reports from the users draw their attention.
This thread certainly took a turn. It should be clear where these posts have gone afoul of the rules. Instead of arguing about it and further insulting members when you don't disagree, just post within the rules. Keep the personal comments and what is considering trolling out of it and respond to the point. If you believe the post runs afoul of the rules of the site, then report it. Arguing and/or belittling those in this thread, doesn't help the situation and won't change the enforcement. None of that is constructive.
Wow, even I agree that your posts do not constitute you being banned!
Part of the job of being in PSRI is learning how to take some jabs here and there. We all serve them, so we need to learn how to take them. For @RichardMZhlubb 's post about "calling me an idiot", he wasn't actually calling me an idiot, he was just telling me not to be one. Big difference, IMO, and shouldn't of been a bannable offense.
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Folks, believe it or not, we are having nice and constructive conversations about PSRI that I believe will hopefully cause changes in the section.
There seems to be a big divide on what you believe is acceptable discourse vs the forum rules.
The discussion does seem to have turned from discussing the PRSI section into a platform for trying to incur as many rules violations in their responses as possible lol. I think it’s been a perfect demonstration of the difficulty mods have here though even if it’s unintentional.
Well, when I posted that comment, I meant it as equivalent to “Don’t be foolish.” Would that be a rules violation?
Are you saying we need to back the administration and moderation team whether we agree with them and their rules or not?
No, I'm saying there are rules and regs here. You can suggest changes to those in these threads, but I'm suggesting some of these rules and regulations are not up for debate. Saying some things are subjective, when having been admonished for the same rule violation multiple times, does not seem to make sense to me. Especially when the admins and moderators are making certain things crystal clear. And as I said, I have no horse in this race, but it doesn't make sense to try and bulldoze your way here, just follow the guidelines and you can post whatever to your hearts content.
That's the thing, @I7guy. The rules and guidelines seem to be a moving target, and depends on the moderator's opinion and personal beliefs.
From everything I've seen, from what was posted about the moderation activities, those posts seem to cross the line. I've been a member for 5 years and have had my hand slapped so I have some personal experience. So if those posts are a benchmark of what people want to post, I can see why moderation activities occurred to begin with; based on my own experience.
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You agreed to the terms and conditions when you signed up with the forum.
MacRumors does not expect you to agree with everything the moderators or admins do. What they do expect, is you abiding by the rules while you are on business property.
Stick to the subject at hand when replying to a post. Do not make your post personal in any way. Don't use personal pronouns, post off topic, or try and find ways to skirt the rules. Treat everyone with respect. If you see a post in possible violation, report it. If nothing happens with the reported post, move on. It isn't your problem.
See how simple it is? Follow those steps and your stay here should be for as long as you wish. Disregard the rules time and time again, and your stay here might not last very long.
If you don't like it here, the internet is a big place. Don't know why you feel a need to openly insult the business, just because everything isn't done to your satisfaction.
For all the bitching and moaning some of you are doing, even after having the system explained over and over again here, I'm curious; exactly which forum rules are you wanting to break and not get into trouble for?
It appears to me you all just like being victims of the mean staffers and don't want to concede your own faults so that you can continue on being victims and blaming everyone else when you break the rules and get into trouble. Deity forbid some people take responsibility and ownership of their actions. Rather, its almost always the fault of someone else.
It appears to me you all just like being victims of the mean staffers and don't want to concede your own faults so that you can continue on being victims and blaming everyone else when you break the rules and get into trouble. Deity forbid some people take responsibility and ownership of their actions. Rather, its almost always the fault of someone else.
Am I missing something? How does one know why someone got moderated?
I ask that because it's awfully easy to assume only you and those who share the same views get moderated, and not see others do as well. I've certainly been moderated as well as other posters I follow have as well, but haven't ever assumed it was just me & others who discuss things in the same vein.
I've also seen more leaning towards getting others moderated. As if suggesting one is breaking a rule of some sorts towards them, to lay the ground work for moderation. I've always wondered, what is the point of that? What does one get out that?
I ask that because it's awfully easy to assume only you and those who share the same views get moderated, and not see others do as well. I've certainly been moderated as well as other posters I follow have as well, but haven't ever assumed it was just me & others who discuss things in the same vein.
I've also seen more leaning towards getting others moderated. As if suggesting one is breaking a rule of some sorts towards them, to lay the ground work for moderation. I've always wondered, what is the point of that? What does one get out that?
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