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Oh well. I knew it wouldn't have ended pretty. At least Apple can save money now by not wasting it on this case
 
Most of the software listed already have mac equivalents: Nero/Toast...
Anyway you're turning this thread into a Mac vs PC when it's about Psystar going bankrupt.

That's the problem - the alternatives are inferior (Nero owns Toast over and over). Now, when I buy a Mac, I want Mac programs (why else get a Mac?). The problem is Mac programs are inferior to Windows programs.

No I am not.
 
That's the problem - the alternatives are inferior (Nero owns Toast over and over). Now, when I buy a Mac, I want Mac programs (why else get a Mac?). The problem is Mac programs are inferior to Windows programs.

No I am not.

Why are you bringing up about Microsoft & Windows then and saying that mac programs are inferior to windows programs?
You are trying to railroad the thread since you have nothing useful to add to this thread.
 
Although this still doesn't fundamentally change my opinion on these matters, I have to say that this is the best point that has been made on Apple's behalf in this entire thread.
And I'm not even saying I agree with it, but Apple has every advantage in this instance, and no amount of wishing for the opposite will make it change.

Until intellectual property laws as a whole are reevaluated, Apple has the upper hand. Just like the record labels had the upper hand against Napster, and so on and so forth.
 
The problem is Mac programs are inferior to Windows programs.
Especially with Office 2008. I can't insult anyone using Excel non-trivially by suggesting a Mac because Office 2008 doesn't even have VBscript support (and try suggesting VMware/Parallels and "I have to do what now?").

And, eww, OpenOffice. Why would anyone who spends a significant amount of time using the usual Office software (I don't have to, thank goodness) kick every minute of their productivity with something that always renders stuff slightly wrongly, that's always missing one or two essential features, and that's so-ho slo-o-w? I accept that iWork is fine for trivial word processing and spreadsheets, and even *rather good* for presentations. But ugh.. OpenOffice.

At least it's not Google Docs.
 
I like how you talk about my viewpoints yet your viewpoint is that Apple does not cater to people like me, despite their whole "Switch" and "Get a Mac" campaigns, lol!!!!

You are a child. I am going to explain this to you, and if you don't understand after this point, you have no place purchasing anything.

When I see an advertisement for $1,000 off an SUV at a dealership, I don't say, "Oh! They're catering to me! I like paying less!"

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AN SUV.

You see, there's a little thing called RESEARCH that you do prior to making a purchase.

ANY advertising campaign exists to pull people in. Apple is saying, "Hello, we are a potentially viable alternative to the computer that you currently own. Please look at our selection and see if you want one."

At which time the intelligent consumer goes to an Apple Store or online to see what is being offered by the company. If the company offers what they desire in terms of aesthetics, usability, and performance at a price they can afford, they either look into it further and weigh specific options or they buy it outright at that point.

If the customer deems that the company does not sell what they desire or believe they desire, the customer does not buy from the company, but instead stays with what they already have.

This is called economics.

So, as an analogy, your obscene nonsensical raving here is the equivalent of me going to an SUV forum and complaining that an SUV is not what I need and that car manufacturers should build something entirely different, say a car, and call it an SUV.

That's really all there is to this. If you disagree, there is little help for you.

No it is not.

Care to explain why? Because as of yet, you have posted absolutely nothing with any factual background whatsoever.
 
Especially with Office 2008. I can't insult anyone using Excel non-trivially by suggesting a Mac because Office 2008 doesn't even have VBscript support (and try suggesting VMware/Parallels and "I have to do what now?").

And, eww, OpenOffice. Why would anyone who spends a significant amount of time using the usual Office software (I don't have to, thank goodness) kick every minute of their productivity with something that always renders stuff slightly wrongly, that's always missing one or two essential features, and that's so-ho slo-o-w? I accept that iWork is fine for trivial word processing and spreadsheets, and even *rather good* for presentations. But ugh.. OpenOffice.

At least it's not Google Docs.

OpenOffice sums up Mac programs actually pretty well - it's an alternative, yes, but wholly inferior in every aspect. It's such a shame not seeing OS X not be used to its full potential though.
 
I like how you talk about my viewpoints yet your viewpoint is that Apple does not cater to people like me, despite their whole "Switch" and "Get a Mac" campaigns, lol!!!!

Some people have little processing juice in them to differentiate what they need and want.

You never need a Mac or a PC, but you want one. Now, which one can do what you want is something else. Apple offers their selection for you to see and if you deem good, eventually purchase.

It's called being a good buyer.

Yet, somehow you fail to grasp that notion.

OpenOffice sums up Mac programs actually pretty well - it's an alternative, yes, but wholly inferior in every aspect. It's such a shame not seeing OS X not be used to its full potential though.


Seems trying to reason with you is fail. We try to explain things to you, yet you fail to grasp them. Time after time I think people here have clearly stated the points to make you understand. Moreover, continuing of you arguing makes you no better than a troll.

Now, go read some books on economics and advertising and product choice, then and only then come back...

other than that /end thread for you.
 
Some people have little processing juice in them to differentiate what they need and want.

You never need a Mac or a PC, but you want one. Now, which one can do what you want is something else. Apple offers their selection for you to see and if you deem good, eventually purchase.

It's called being a good buyer.

Yet, somehow you fail to grasp that notion.

Did you read my last post before posting?

... Because we posted the exact same sentiment. :D Mine was just more verbose.
 
<snip> This is called economics. <snip>
This is the philosophical capitalist's myth of the perfectly informed consumer, entertained by those who sip from the Libertarian spring. Back in the real world, no corporation is up-front about the limitations of its products and will never advise you (implicitly or explicitly) against buying from them.

Fanboys are rather good at proclaiming "you're not good enough for Apple!" so the problem is partly fixed in this specific case :D.
 
You are a child.
No I am not.
I am going to explain this to you, and if you don't understand after this point, you have no place purchasing anything.
lol

When I see an advertisement for $1,000 off an SUV at a dealership, I don't say, "Oh! They're catering to me! I like paying less!"
Coo

BECAUSE THEY AREN'T. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AN SUV.
That is nice.

You see, there's a little thing called RESEARCH that you do prior to making a purchase.
Indeed

ANY advertising campaign exists to pull people in. Apple is saying, "Hello, we are a potentially viable alternative to the computer that you currently own. Please look at our selection and see if you want one."
Apple is catering to people who just want to manage their photos, not get viruses and make movies. Apple is not advertising heavy duty movie editing or photoshopping.

At which time the intelligent consumer goes to an Apple Store or online to see what is being offered by the company. If the company offers what they desire in terms of aesthetics, usability, and performance at a price they can afford, they either look into it further and weigh specific options or they buy it outright at that point.
Apple is advertising features that are simple, therefore you expect simple prices. Yet the only Mac with an included monitor is the $1200 iMac which is a joke.

You don't advertise Orange Soda then when your customer goes in, it ends up being $50 for a 2 liter.

If the customer deems that the company does not sell what they desire or believe they desire, the customer does not buy from the company, but instead stays with what they already have.

This is called economics.
lulz

So, as an analogy, your obscene nonsensical raving here is the equivalent of me going to an SUV forum and complaining that an SUV is not what I need and that car manufacturers should build something entirely different, say a car, and call it an SUV.
Uh no. Because if they built a car (or truck), it would be a car/truck, not an SUV.

A Mac mid-range tower would still be a Mac. A 16-inch/15-inch MacBook would still be a MacBook.

Care to explain why? Because as of yet, you have posted absolutely nothing with any factual background whatsoever.
Windows programs are far superior to their Mac alternatives, just read the reviews.
 
... trolling snip ...

I think I rest my case. Trying to troll is not the best way. We are telling you how things are in the short simple way.

We can well go full featured arguments here that will fill pages and pages for you to read and finally understand how things work, but we either:

I. Don't feel like it
II. You are a waste of time to explain due to the fact you have repeatedly shown lack of reasoning in the simplest form of arguing.

I'm going to go with the latter reason, but I feel others are going to go with I & II and possible add III & IV, or more....
 
And just what would OS X become if it had to support every swinging dick piece of crap hardware out there?

What on earth makes you think Mac OS X would have to support everything. Other commercial OS vendors (eg, Sun Solaris, etc) simply publish a Hardware Compatibility List which details what hardware they support their OS on. Provided your system meets the specs, it runs.

Can't see why you're so rabid about one company maintaining their vertical monopoly, TBH.
 
Apple is catering to people who just want to manage their photos, not get viruses and make movies. Apple is not advertising heavy duty movie editing or photoshopping.

Did I... say anything about that? No. :confused:

How is your point even relevant? When the consumer goes to research, they find that Apple sells computers that do MORE than browse photos, as an ad can hardly detail something like Photoshop, Logic, or Final Cut to the uninformed.

Apple is advertising features that are simple, therefore you expect simple prices.

That's the most inane conclusion I have ever heard. A human does not jump to that conclusion without knowing the outcome in advance.

You don't advertise Orange Soda then when your customer goes in, it ends up being $50 for a 2 liter.

Certainly not. But, again, NO ONE comes to that conclusion.


If everyone took this system as flippantly as you, we'd have a lot more trouble.


Uh no. Because if they built a car (or truck), it would be a car/truck, not an SUV.

Eggs. Freaking. Sactly.

Apple doesn't MAKE the machine that you WANT. So buy from someone else.

A Mac mid-range tower would still be a Mac. A 16-inch/15-inch MacBook would still be a MacBook.

Not with their current structure.

Windows programs are far superior to their Mac alternatives, just read the reviews.

So... let's see... give us some facts. Link us to reviews that measure performance on both OS' for a wide variety of programs, not just one measly one that you find with Google and deem worthy.
 
So you don't like Mac's then...you can't have the software without the hardware.

Yes! And so we have come full circle.

Hackintosh! It's legal for one end user who buys the hardware and buys the software and makes their own machine.

It is NOT legal for a company to do this without the consent of the owners of the intellectual property involved.

Thus Psystar, thus bankruptcy thereof.

Back to the beginning. May as well close the thread. :p
 
Yes! And so we have come full circle.

Hackintosh! It's legal for one end user who buys the hardware and buys the software and makes their own machine.

It is NOT legal for a company to do this without the consent of the owners of the intellectual property involved.

Thus Psystar, thus bankruptcy thereof.

Back to the beginning. May as well close the thread. :p

/thread
 
What on earth makes you think Mac OS X would have to support everything. Other commercial OS vendors (eg, Sun Solaris, etc) simply publish a Hardware Compatibility List which details what hardware they support their OS on. Provided your system meets the specs, it runs.

Can't see why you're so rabid about one company maintaining their vertical monopoly, TBH.

Sun, Solaris aren't user OS's, they are server OS's so they have a limited configs to support.
 
Snip.... Excluding games here are some programs I'd love see on the Mac: Nero, AutoCAD, YouTube/Orbit Downloader, a few hobby titles (like my Family Tree/Learn Spanish software) and Dragon Naturally Speaking.

AutoCAD have said they may return, Youtube downloader? TubeTV... and learn spanish software? Rosetta Stone do plenty of languages.

Do a little searching before you say there's no software
 
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