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I never made an issue out of it with the guys in my life, but I like the seat and lid down. It’s mostly an aesthetic thing, like have closet doors and dresser drawers closed. I suppose that the seat up look calls attention to the toilet in some Victorian, yucky way.
Anyway, get a cat and you’ll have to keep a lid on it regardless whether it’s a female cat or not.
 
I never made an issue out of it with the guys in my life, but I like the seat and lid down. It’s mostly an aesthetic thing, like have closet doors and dresser drawers closed. I suppose that the seat up look calls attention to the toilet in some Victorian, yucky way.
Anyway, get a cat and you’ll have to keep a lid on it regardless whether it’s a female cat or not.

I agree--I am a male who prefers the seat and lid down (obviously only applies when there is a lid). For one thing, my toothbrush is in my bathroom so I don't want the mist of the toilet traveling out when flushing, and I think it's just more pleasant not to have an open bowl of water that is used for such base functions. I just think it's more...pleasant..I guess is the best word I can think of.


So maybe the solution is that offices should install lids????
 
I'm the one who suggested putting the lid down as well as the seat and was then advised that most offices only have a seat and no lid--point taken.

If it were me then, I would do whatever felt most comfortable, and not care if they whine.

BTW, I exclusively raise and lower public toilet seats with my shoe--when you all talk about raising the lid and lowering it, is that what most of you all mean? Or do some of you use your hand? That would really gross me out.

I also have an interesting anecdote about toilets when I was a college freshman living on an all male floor. There was a bathroom with three toilets for about 30 guys, and no urinals. So there was a huge problem of there always being piss on the seats, not to mention all around the toilet, and on the weekends vomit.

So I suggested an idea--the middle toilet is only for sitting on, and the seat is permanently down, so there will never be piss on it. The other two are always for standing and pissing and the seat is always up. I even put up signs and tried to advocate my idea but no one listened and the signs were torn down pretty quickly, but I thought it was genius!

So, I found another bathroom on campus to use when I had so sit down; it was a pain, but kind of worth it in my opinion.


When I lived on an all-male floor in the dorms, we had "standing room only" and "sitting room only" toilets to help alleviate the problem of piss on the seats. Worked quite well :D


I would threaten to do an upper decker if she keeps whining about the seat :D
 
I believe that would constitute sexual harassment in Canada and the USA. Attempts to belittle and humiliate coworkers should not be tolerated, because it creates a hostile work environment.

Since you're in a co-ed washroom, you're actually doing her a favour when you don't lower the seat. I find that most men have quite poor hygiene. You're lucky if they lift the seat at all. And they tend to piss all over whichever surface, and don't clean it up afterwards. So, by raising the seat, you're saving that seat from being despoiled by other less concientious men.

Also, no one has some mysterious right to being pandered to. When we choose to do things for women, like lower ( or raise :) ) the seat, it's exactly like openning the door for them, it should be something we want to do of our own volition, not due to bizarre pressure tactics. That's uncouth. If someone, male or female, insisted that I hold the door open for them, I'd firmly close it completely.

A voice of reason. :)

I never made an issue out of it with the guys in my life, but I like the seat and lid down. It’s mostly an aesthetic thing, like have closet doors and dresser drawers closed. I suppose that the seat up look calls attention to the toilet in some Victorian, yucky way.
Anyway, get a cat and you’ll have to keep a lid on it regardless whether it’s a female cat or not.

My last cat would only drink out of the toilet. We tried to force him to use his bowl, but he would have none of it. And I like my furniture intact, thanks. Cats are willful creatures. ;)
 
This is madness. What kind of person does it take to demand someone else configure a toilet seat to their liking? It's up to each individual to put it where they need it. This woman is childish and asinine. If anybody ever demanded that I set the toilet up for their use, I'd tell them no and walk away. That's your job, just as it is mine before I use it. Unless of course you have a legitimate excuse. For example, if you had no arms, I would gladly leave it wherever you needed it to be.

With that said, I always put the seat up before pissing, clean up if necessary (because that's just gross to leave it soaked), and put the cover down. If it's a toilet without a cover, I'll just leave the seat up.
 
Yea, why do women have the final say in this like they own the toilet.

They shouldn't. I spend WAY more time with the toilet than females do. :p

But really, it doesn't seem like a big deal. It's pretty automatic for me to just put it up, and put it down. It takes about 2 seconds.

It's not automatic for me. After I'm finished, I leave the seat exactly the way I used it. I was never taught to do otherwise, and if you're talking about the world as a whole, I think the way I do it is the norm. This entire "seat down" issue is just an issue in "Western" society, where we have it so good that we need to create problems to fight about.

That, or American women are really whiney and just love to complain and have that women vs. men power struggle. I swear, I have never heard of this problem except on American television, and now here at MacRumours.
 
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Tell her that a simple reminder would have sufficed and you would have been happy to oblige, but will not do it because you're not her servant and she whined too damn much.
 
Exactly my point.

I lift the seat as not to whizz all over it - why should I have to put it back down? .

well, you flush that toilet, the water splashes and swirls around and a certain amount of it atomizes out into the air.....next thing you know some of your urine is floating around in the air, getting on the walls, etc......and the same for everyone who uses the toiloet.

the most sanitary thing is to put the lid down before you flush the thing so the rest of the world doesn't have to deal with your urine.

tell that to the girls when they start to complain and maybe they'll demand a lid on the toilet in addition to the nice comfy seat you didn't whizz on
 
It basically comes down to women's attitudes towards toilets in the first place. A large percentage of them go to great lengths to avoid having any part of their bodies touching the toilet, even covering the seats with strips of toilet paper before sitting down (yeah, that's why they use so much of it :)). Others would rather keep their own bodily waste in for hours so they only have to use their own toilet at home. So the thought of them actually having to use their hands to touch a shared seat is simply too much for a lot of them.

What I imagine they have to do is get toilet paper, wrap it many, many times round their hand then put the seat down. Then of course just in case a germ got through the several layers of paper they need to wash their hands before they cover the seat in more paper and finally sit.

So it's a huge hassle for them when that seat gets left up, enough to make a big deal about. But what they don't take into account is that men simply couldn't care less about any of that nonsense. We go in, relieve ourselves, shake, do up our pants, and wash hands (with some that's optional, yuck!!). That's it. Over in seconds rather than minutes. To men, the sort of behaviour that women enact is just mentalness :p
 
Pondering the avatar possibilities


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Cliffs Notes: German toilets are weird. There might be legislation to force men to pee sitting down (Sitzpinkler). An American ex-pat's take on it.

From article said:
The desire for men to pee sitting down seems to correlate with a left-wing disposition (presumably with an eye to equality of the sexes and the desire to spare women the splash marks they previously had to endure in less enlightened times).

That's stupid. Even in the women's toilets, where I presume only women do their business, their toilets and the area around it can also be a mess.
 
That's stupid. Even in the women's toilets, where I presume only women do their business, their toilets and the area around it can also be a mess.

That's due to women who hover rather than sit or so I've been told.

Would this be a good point to introduce the PoopReport web site, Your #1 Source for Your #2 Business?
 
That's stupid. Even in the women's toilets, where I presume only women do their business, their toilets and the area around it can also be a mess.
Normally toilet paper all over the place. I swear, they can waste entire forests of the stuff.
 
You may protest, but you know it's true :D
The cheek! :eek:

Are there some women who do as you claim? I'm sure there are.
Are there some men who poop all over (no, not just in) the toilet and don't flush? I'm sure there are.

Doesn't mean it's the majority.


Nor does it mean that you and I do those things. ;)
 
Nor does it mean that you and I do those things. ;)
You see, this is the weird thing. I normally do sit down to pee. Without going über-personal, one of the problems of having a foreskin is that when you shake you have no idea where the drips are going to go. Much better for it to go into the bowl than risk even a dribble ending up on your trousers.

But what really gets to me is when establishments assume that men don't care about the hygiene side of things. No soap by the sink and/or no toilet brush are disgusting, but you'd be surprised just how many pubs, restaurants and even workplaces don't have them in the Gents.
 
^^That may be true, but you don't see poop on the floor on men's bathrooms every day, and yet when you go out, you hear about women's bathrooms having long queues and nasty toilets

WHen the women's queue is long, some women even go into the men's bathrooms to use our toilets, and say how our toilets are actually in better condition than the ones in the women's bathrooms.

Maybe men shouldn't generalise toilet use on all women, but the number of dissatisfied women seem to be higher than dissatisfied men.
 
Maybe men shouldn't generalise toilet use on all women, but the number of dissatisfied women seem to be higher than dissatisfied men.
I think it's safe that although dynamicv sits more often than not, that more men stand than they do sit. And more women sit (or worse, hover) than er, um, stand. :p

Meaning? I think it's easier to get upset about a messy toilet.

Shrug. If a bathroom has those disposable toilet seat covers, I use 'em. If not? I lay out four squares of tp total: two on either side. That's hardly a "forrest" of paper, no?

I don't get why anyone (man or woman) makes a huge mess then just leaves it. Really, why make the mess in the first place?! Is it really all that difficult to get it right? :confused:
 
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