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Come to Japan, and you can find a squat toilet almost everywhere!Edit: You could always recommend that a squat toilet be installed. No seats, no problem!
Agreed.I don't get why anyone (man or woman) makes a huge mess then just leaves it. Really, why make the mess in the first place?! Is it really all that difficult to get it right?
We have a co-use bathroom where I work now.
Someone, obvious a lady, left her calling card all over under the seat area.
I was very surprised that she had not cleaned up after herself.
swingerofbirch
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Cliffs Notes: German toilets are weird. There might be legislation to force men to pee sitting down (Sitzpinkler). An American ex-pat's take on it.
Edit: You could always recommend that a squat toilet be installed. No seats, no problem!
When I lived in Sweden, I noticed a lot of men peed sitting down. I prefer standing as I like to avoid being near the toilet as much as possible. I'm someone who always uses the seat cover and if not available will cover the seat with TP.
every time you flush, all those waste products spread in the air up to 10 feet away. do you want your urine or feces spreading onto the door handle, your toothbrush, etc.?
i dont think so. consider covering the toilet after use before flushing.
i dont think so. consider covering the toilet after use before flushing.
Women generally care more about cleanliness. I personally am horrified by the idea of touching the rim of a toilet seat - the underside is usually dirty. So, for me it's a cleanliness thing. I readily admit that I am abnormally anal about cleanliness.
I think for these types of things, a utilitarian perspective is needed. We should cater to whomever cares the most.
It's not a big deal to put the seat down (you have to lift it up anyway!) and if it makes someone very happy that you do so, isn't that worth it?
It's not always about what's 'right' or 'fair', but what's considerate and nice.
I think for these types of things, a utilitarian perspective is needed. We should cater to whomever cares the most.
It's not a big deal to put the seat down (you have to lift it up anyway!) and if it makes someone very happy that you do so, isn't that worth it?
It's not always about what's 'right' or 'fair', but what's considerate and nice.
If we always catered to the most anal amongst us we'd be cycling everywhere, eating fruitarian, living in communes, and attending church fourteen times a week. Dirt is part of life. There's no problem with touching dirt. If we weren't supposed to come into contact with these germs we wouldn't go to the toilet at all.
It's okay to touch the toilet seat. Just make sure you wash your hands afterwards and all is well.
Err, I'm not referring to toilet seats in every place on earth, just in your own home/workplace if you have fussy people.
Maybe YOU find it okay to touch the toilet seat, but I don't.
swingerofbirch
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Even before the chart, you're on point.
The fact that she is calling you on this (based on her presumption that it is your that leaves it up each time - I doubt she checks to see who left it up every time) as a result of you being male, I think you could make a case for a hostile work environment. You may be able to get your own bathroom and a company required apology from her. Most importantly, you'd have a fair bit of job security since the company would be afraid of a whistleblower lawsuit. And everybody likes job security.
And for those that think that we have too many lawsuits in this country - I agree. But, a hostile environment is a hostile environment. Plus, this would likely get settled before it even got very far.
I think for these types of things, a utilitarian perspective is needed. We should leave it to whomever cares the most.
It's not a big deal to put the seat up (you have to put it down anyway!) and if it makes someone very happy that you do so, isn't that worth it?
Seriously, after years of argueing about this, I stumbled in for a #2 at some ungodly hour only to fall in the the bowl! Being somewhat intoxicated, I struggled to extricate myself while bellowing at the a hole who left the seat up suddenly realising it was me
A few friends and I get together for a weekly poker game at my house. It's usually about 5-6 guys and one guy's wife. We had this discussion one night after my friends wife mentioned that she was sure to put the seat back up for us. It's been a running joke for a while and she is always sure to put the seat back up for us...
Well, all the men I've dated...have either never left the seat up, or have been happy to put it down for me. But I'm sure that there are many women who do not care, and would be happy to leave the seat up for a man for whom it was important.I think for these types of things, a utilitarian perspective is needed. We should leave it to whomever cares the most.
It's not a big deal to put the seat up (you have to put it down anyway!) and if it makes someone very happy that you do so, isn't that worth it?
Seriously, after years of argueing about this, I stumbled in for a #2 at some ungodly hour only to fall in the the bowl! Being somewhat intoxicated, I struggled to extricate myself while bellowing at the a hole who left the seat up suddenly realising it was me
I am amused by anyone who has had a run-in with the toilet bowl, as this has never happened to me, no matter how tired, intoxicated, or otherwise impaired I was, and regardless of the toilet seat's position. I must say it seems like karma in your case though...
That's my point. We all have to go to the toilet, so we are all meant to get exposed to those germs. Those germs are part of life just like going to the toilet is. This is why there are washbasins next to the toilet so that you can wash afterwards.
I don't see why I should be expected to amend my behaviour to cater to you being irrational, which is how I view this. If it bothers you that much get your own personal toilet. Whilst we're using shared facilities you cannot dictate how I choose to use them.
First clean the seat really really well and spray some apple juice on it.When she screams like a Banshee walk in and run your finger through the pool and lick it dry in front of her
Seeing as guys sit when they do a number 2 over 50% of the time having the seat down is the preferred starting position thus logically it follows that by putting the seat down when you're finished you're doing the most overall good.
I hate it when guys leave my toilet seat up when they use my en suite.
I hate it when guys leave my toilet seat up when they use my en suite.
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The thing as well is that people who are kind of paranoid about germs make it worse for those of us who aren't. I'm not someone who has any issues about sitting on a toilet seat (in fact the idea that it might be a problem had never occurred to me until someone mentioned they never did) but in the last few years, I've noticed there is always piss on the seat and it's clearly because someone's hovered over it, pissed all over the seat, and then not wanted to touch it to clean it up. Equally, using your foot for stuff where hands and arses would usually go means that whatever you've stood in for the last week is going to be all over the toilet seat, which is a far bigger health risk than a bit of pee. I'm sure even then that just washing your hands afterwards will get rid of either, but it's still infinitely more gross than touching a seat than someone else has been sitting on at some point.
I'm all for a bit of dirt. Keeps you healthy.
Incidentally, somebody once pointed out that it would make far more sense for guys to wash their hands before handling their penis than afterwards.
Incidentally, somebody once pointed out that it would make far more sense for guys to wash their hands before handling their penis than afterwards.
My concern isn't that the seat is up or down. I couldn't care. What I hate is when there is urine on the seat, or even fecal matter. I mean how hard is it to wipe the seat for the next person?
I work mostly with women and you'd be surprised how often there is urine droplets on the seat.
I work mostly with women and you'd be surprised how often there is urine droplets on the seat.
It has nothing to do with germs; I am not germ phobic at all. I just think it's gross/stinky.
My point is that I don't have to work or live with you (thank god!) and everyone I've encountered in my life has been willing to cater to my irrational behaviour!
I obviously can't dictate, and you're taking things MUCH too personally if you are even using that term. I would request, very kindly (unless you were in my home - but that's another matter). I find it amazing how often people are willing to do things for you if you treat them well and ask nicely.
Alot of people men seem to really think this is an issue of power/control, and while it can be, it certainly isn't always, and I imagine such men must feel very insecure to turn such a minor issue into a major conflict.
Every time I finish with a toilet, wherever I am, I always put the seat and the lid down, for a few reasons;
- My cat would probably try and drink from it if it was open (at home).
- When you flush, water vapour will float up into the air and settle on anything in the room. The amount will be greatly reduced with the lid down.
- It looks better with the seat and lid down.
