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Received Vertex 3 on MacBook Pro 2011 13"

Macsavvytech said:
Sandforce drives have a form of hardware garbage collection, making TRIM useless. I'm sure this has been mentioned, but so many people don't seem to understand this.
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Can you share your technical resource for this? I am interested but truthfully cant find a good source which explains this for sure.
 
Those of you have recently bought the OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, what version of the firmware did the drive come with?

Is it a major hassle updating the firmware if you don't have access to Windows?
 
altecXP said:
I'd like to see 2 of the same MacBooks Pro with the same apps one with SATA3 and one with SATA2.
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Im getting my replaced Macbook Pro soon and i am also ordering the vertex 3 so once i get my MBP i will make sure i do a video comparing the two with the vertex 3 in the HDD drive and the other in my optibay.
 
Macsavvytech said:
Im getting my replaced Macbook Pro soon and i am also ordering the vertex 3 so once i get my MBP i will make sure i do a video comparing the two with the vertex 3 in the HDD drive and the other in my optibay.
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What is the point in doing that at all? I don't get it, one is over a 3GBps line vs 6GBps line. Huge difference.
 
DarkFlame said:
What is the point in doing that at all? I don't get it, one is over a 3GBps line vs 6GBps line. Huge difference.
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That's the point, the OP wanted to see a comparison of SATA3 and SATA2 SSD performance within the same mac.
 
alFR said:
That's the point, the OP wanted to see a comparison of SATA3 and SATA2 SSD performance within the same mac.
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I believe Anand's review has already extensively investigated this, and determined the difference to be substantial.

Has anyone managed to install bootcamp on their Vertex 3's and benchmark the thing under Windows?
 
DarkFlame said:
What is the point in doing that at all? I don't get it, one is over a 3GBps line vs 6GBps line. Huge difference.
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I believe the point would be that the HDD doesn't matter if its SATA3 or SATA2 it will still only go 100mb/s or so. Either I read it wrong or you did. He is saying he is putting his original hard drive in the optibay.

So this would be a good comparison.
 
madonionrings said:
I am talking about an article related to the new Sandforce controller and its hardware level garbage collection making trim unnecessary. If the article you listed is in fact accurate, why has Apple recently enabled support for trim in their OS once they started making BTO options for SSDs?
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i was just putting out the info -

-Performance degradation in OSx has been shown to be far less of a problem than in win 7

-I think apple adopted trim for their ssds since the apple ssds do not have the same level of over-provisioning, wear leveling and garbage control as other drives, like the sandforce drives.

Thus trim is not obsolete and definitively does server a desirable function in osx with a sandforce drive, it's absence would not mean detriment to the performance (write in particular) of the drive.

Apple supporting trim for their drives, is just an example of tech moving forward, i did not say trim is useless in osx, i however gave a link to an article that showed that trim does not have the same degree of functionality as it does in win 7.

Unfortunately, i am no expert on the matter, and when i have asked in depth questions to both apple and ocz/owc tech support the impression they gave me was simply that trim was desirable not a pre-requisite!

there are also quite a few reviews attesting that SF1200 drives by owc for e.g can be filled to capacity and do not show any significant performance degradation
 
Just Installed a 240GB Vertex 3 in my 2011 MBP 2.3GHZ i7.

Works perfectly. I also used that hack to force the Trim Support.


EDIT:

I take that back after an hour of use I noticed that Chrome freezes up randomly with this hack enabled.

Also my AJA Benchmarks are slower by about 35mb/sec read/write with it enabled.

I disabled it and my reads get above 500mb/sec however my writes still around 500mb/sec.

Before I easily got less than 35mb sec with the hack enabled. I would not recommend enabling it.


I/O Transactions
Frame MB/sec
Read Write
00.0 524.6 493.7
01.0 528.3 487.1
02.0 528.3 479.5
03.0 530.5 473.9
04.0 528.4 485.6
05.0 532.0 494.8
06.0 524.6 492.1
07.0 532.1 474.5
08.0 527.8 469.1
09.0 528.3 496.7
10.0 528.4 488.6
11.0 500.6 497.9
12.0 529.6 501.1
13.0 536.4 504.0
14.0 532.2 500.1
15.0 528.6 509.0
 
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madonionrings said:
I am talking about an article related to the new Sandforce controller and its hardware level garbage collection making trim unnecessary. If the article you listed is in fact accurate, why has Apple recently enabled support for trim in their OS once they started making BTO options for SSDs?
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Apple's SSD's which I think are mostly Toshiba do not use the same Controller as the Vertex3. Garbage collection on those vs a Vertex3 is vastly different imo.

In regards to why they enable for BTO , because it likely needs it to stay at its 200ish mb/sec read/write?
 
Installing Office 2011 installed on the Vertex 3 in less than 1 minute as compared earlier to around 10 minutes
 
Looks like if you can afford it, the 240 GB Vertex 3 is the SSD to get at this point. I wish Anand would have received the 240 GB to review initially, I'm in the market for that capacity and would have liked to see how it stacked up against the pre-production drive he did the preview on in late February.
 
Anyone notice that newegg jacks up the shipping price for the larger Vertex 3 drives? 120G is $2.99 shipping, but the bigger (and obviously MUCH HEAVIER) 240GB and 480GB are $5.99. Now, three bucks is no big deal, but it's the principle.
 
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