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sure the jack is obsolete (debatable)/QUOTE]

The headphone jack is not obsolete. They sounded like Trump during that Keynote.

"I've got the best alternative to the head phone jack. With my device you won't even miss the headphone jack. I'm very courageous, once you use this you'll understand."
 
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The new AirPods might not be pretty, but given their minimalism, they are IMO a lot nicer and more discreet than wired earphones, let alone clunky, gaudy, tacky headphones. But we all have different tastes.

Very much in favour of removing the headphone jack. Cutting cables has long been in Apple's vernacular, and I loathe the look and inconvenience of having a wire dangling round my body and snagging as I work.

And Apple isn't the first manufacturer to remove the jack. And it won't be the last.

I am old enough to remember when digital cameras first came out and countless people said they'd never buy a digital camera and that digital cameras would never replace film. Not only has digital replaced film, but the digital standalone camera itself has now largely been replaced by cameras in phones.

Some people baulk at change. That's their problem. Not technology's. Some people just don't want to move with change, and they have every right to hold on to what they want and to watch as the world moves on.

What's really sad, IMO, is that in 2016, people are still playing ancient arcade games such as Super Mario and Pokemon. Those two should retire.

 
Changes happen its not a big deal we have the FREE adapter and a future "Y" adapter hopefully say 9.99 to charge and listen.
Why are you so angry how will it effect you so much?
cheers
Because adaptors are unnecessary and they are ugly hack job pieces of design. The iPhone 7 aka iPhone 6 series 3 is such a closed piece of device.
 
As an owner of 3 mid-range headphones (Denon AHD-2000, Denon AH-MM400 and Sennheiser HD-25-II) I'm kinda miffed, sure there's an adapter, sure the jack is obsolete (debatable), sure wireless is the way to go (but 4 hours autonomy is no improvement over anything), but I feel this "push forward" is unwarranted:

1. Lightning headphones require an external dac (in the cable/plug) if I'm correct?

2. Wireless headphones need charging, this is a con in my book, regardless of future iterations that will improve on this issue by lasting longer.

3. Bluetooth headphones and speakers have teething problems that are not yet fully solved and while I admire the engineering and craftsmanship that went into the AirPods, the drawbacks are still quite there (4 hours autonomy, still relying on Bluetooth 4.2, no AptX support).

I may be an old geezer but this transition is going to be felt deeply, will the audio industry align to Apple's decision? Bluetooth is not superior in terms of quality as it is now (Apple's "secret sauce" notwithstanding) and Lightning is not an industry standard in terms of audio (yet), maybe USB-C will.

We will just have to use the adapter for now and the "Y" adapter when released and wait maybe 24+ months until the tech improves.
Its not a big deal we will
move on.....but it will take time the transition.
But your Denon AHD-2000, Denon AH-MM400 and Sennheiser HD-25-II will still be in use in 10 years time.
 
Proprietary means they made the chip, not that nobody else can talk to the iPhone. The W1 looks like it's just a Bluetooth chip that Apple fancied up probably by reducing the power draw as a result of their acquisition of Passif. I didn't see anything that says they're ripping Bluetooth out of the iPhone.
The standard bluetooth audio protocol is a piece of garbage in every single way. It's just bad.
 
sorry not including commercial use -
that will be interesting to see if a A 380 pilot prefers wireless to wired and if the reliablity is good enough for nearly 500 passengers safety.

Visually impaired people still rely on wired headphones, why do you think ATMs have headphone jacks. Or what about people that own multiple electronic things with audio out like say a computer and a phone? Enjoy that delay when hopping between devices assuming they're even compatible with one another which the EarPods don't seem to be.

Of course theres also the whole e-waste thing.
 
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Because adaptors are unnecessary and they are ugly hack job pieces of design. The iPhone 7 aka iPhone 6 series 3 is such a closed piece of device.

adapters are a pain I had the one when moving to lightning kept misplacing it but it worked and got me through - still
have it - still use it on occasions.
One thing was the price £25.00!! the "Y" adapter better not be that.
Cheers
 
The new AirPods might not be pretty, but given their minimalism, they are IMO a lot nicer and more discreet than wired earphones, let alone clunky, gaudy, tacky headphones. But we all have different tastes.

Very much in favour of removing the headphone jack. Cutting cables has long been in Apple's vernacular, and I loathe the look and inconvenience of having a wire dangling round my body and snagging as I work.

And Apple isn't the first manufacturer to remove the jack. And it won't be the last.

I am old enough to remember when digital cameras first came out and countless people said they'd never buy a digital camera and that digital cameras would never replace film. Not only has digital replaced film, but the digital standalone camera itself has now largely been replaced by cameras in phones.

Some people baulk at change. That's their problem. Not technology's. Some people just don't want to move with change, and they have every right to hold on to what they want and to watch as the world moves on.

What's really sad, IMO, is that in 2016, people are still playing ancient arcade games such as Super Mario and Pokemon. Those two should retire.

People baulk at stupid decisions not change. People didn't want to buy an original 1MP camera because the quality was terribly poor. People are playing those old games today because many new games released today are pure casino style games that focus on extracting cash from players instead of giving a truly genuine focus on a fun gameplay experience.
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Visually impaired people still rely on wired headphones, why do you think ATMs have headphone jacks. Or what about people that own multiple electronic things with audio out like say a computer and a phone? Enjoy that delay when hopping between devices assuming they're even compatible with one another which the EarPods don't seem to be.

Of course theres also the whole e-waste thing.
Exactly.
 
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Visually impaired people still rely on wired headphones, why do you think ATMs have headphone jacks. Or what about people that own multiple electronic things with audio out like say a computer and a phone? Enjoy that delay when hopping between devices assuming they're even compatible with one another which the EarPods don't seem to be.

Of course theres also the whole e-waste thing.

I would have thought visually impaired folk would benefit wireless more. My
eyesight isn't the best and I stuggle getting the 3.5mm plug in.
Never knew ATMs have 3.5mm
not in the UK unless I have missed that.
The compatable issue will be sorted in time.
The waste is bad. Maybe apple will contribute to a recycling scheme.
 
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As an owner of 3 mid-range headphones (Denon AHD-2000, Denon AH-MM400 and Sennheiser HD-25-II) I'm kinda miffed, sure there's an adapter, sure the jack is obsolete (debatable), sure wireless is the way to go (but 4 hours autonomy is no improvement over anything), but I feel this "push forward" is unwarranted:

1. Lightning headphones require an external dac (in the cable/plug) if I'm correct?

2. Wireless headphones need charging, this is a con in my book, regardless of future iterations that will improve on this issue by lasting longer.

3. Bluetooth headphones and speakers have teething problems that are not yet fully solved and while I admire the engineering and craftsmanship that went into the AirPods, the drawbacks are still quite there (4 hours autonomy, still relying on Bluetooth 4.2, no AptX support).

I may be an old geezer but this transition is going to be felt deeply, will the audio industry align to Apple's decision? Bluetooth is not superior in terms of quality as it is now (Apple's "secret sauce" notwithstanding) and Lightning is not an industry standard in terms of audio (yet), maybe USB-C will.

I believe you and most everyone here were not listening/watching the keynote.

In regular Apple-fashion, they didn't elaborate but based on rumors and the short design video/explanation given - the AirPods and new Beats lineup do NOT rely on Bluetooth 4.2. Rather Apple has designed its own "Bluetooth" chip and used that instead. Things like a "one touch setup", the lack of pairing and repairing, "more consistent connection", etc were all mentioned in relation to the AirPods.

There were various rumors pre-keynote as well that Apple had been developing a wireless chip like this for some time to replace existing Bluetooth technology.

Comparing the AirPods and new Beats lineup to any existing Bluetooth headphones wouldn't be accurate because the technology is clearly not the same.

I'm immensely excited to hear these new headphones for myself and to see Apple's incredible prowess designing chips expand into various different territories improving many functions of our devices.
 
We will just have to use the adapter for now and the "Y" adapter when released and wait maybe 24+ months until the tech improves.
Its not a big deal we will
move on.....but it will take time the transition.
But your Denon AHD-2000, Denon AH-MM400 and Sennheiser HD-25-II will still be in use in 10 years time.

Yep, I think the main disadvantages will be buying and fiddling with those pesky adapters, until wireless audio will mature (I'm guessing three to five years, tops).
Quoting SixColor's Jason Snell:

(I joked on Twitter last week that it’ll cost $19 if Apple’s sort of sorry, $29 if it’s not sorry, and if it’s free in the box then Apple’s really afraid of consumer backlash.)

I predict the adapter will be free in next year's iphone too.
The one thing that could have eased even more the transition would have been if the AirPods were free or cheaper but that would mean less profit for Apple, I guess.
 
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I hope this new iPhone will flop. Then they would realise it was a mistake to remove it. I'll be fine with my SE for a couple of years but after that I guess I'll have to get a Samsung or whatever still has a headphone jack.
You're seriously this hung up on a friggin headphone jack? Give me a break.
 
Yep, I think the main disadvantages will be buying and fiddling with those pesky adapters, until wireless audio will mature (I'm guessing three to five years, tops).
Quoting SixColor's Jason Snell:

(I joked on Twitter last week that it’ll cost $19 if Apple’s sort of sorry, $29 if it’s not sorry, and if it’s free in the box then Apple’s really afraid of consumer backlash.)

I predict the adapter will be free in next year's iphone too.
The one thing that could have eased even more the transition would have been if the AirPods were free or cheaper but that would mean less profit for Apple, I guess.

Folks like you and many of the posters here will never be satisfied. It's a shame....too blinded by wanting to complain to really see that we are moving forward.

Careful, you might get clipped as we rush by you into the future.
 
With no 3.5 jack connection how am I going to charge my phone overnight (so that it is fresh in the morning) and listen to podcasts at night as I go to sleep? This is a monumental fail for me, my business and my pocketbook. I have been a solid apple user for over a decade and am now looking into how to migrate to another platform just so I don't have to deal with bs like this any longer. I strongly suspect that there are more than a few others out there that feel like this decision is going to make owning an Apple iPhone more expensive and more difficult to use effectively.

For the first time I can't imagine wanting this newest iteration of a phone I have used successfully for years. I am annoyed that I have this much invested in the Apple platform and feel betrayed At least this 6s will be last long enough for me to find an exit strategy that won't kill my pocketbook What part of having to worry if another piece of kit is sufficiently charged before it can be used is a good thing? If the failure mode to not having wireless earphones charged is to pull the backup wired earphones and dongle out then why have the bluetooth earphones in the first place?

Rant over, as well as my loyal business
 
The worst part is that Apple itself makes a thinner device than the iPhone, which does include the headphone jack. The iPod Touch.
Oh. A device that does far less and has less technology? Cool. That really proves...some point I guess
 
With no 3.5 jack connection how am I going to charge my phone overnight (so that it is fresh in the morning) and listen to podcasts at night as I go to sleep? This is a monumental fail for me, my business and my pocketbook. I have been a solid apple user for over a decade and am now looking into how to migrate to another platform just so I don't have to deal with bs like this any longer. I strongly suspect that there are more than a few others out there that feel like this decision is going to make owning an Apple iPhone more expensive and more difficult to use effectively.

For the first time I can't imagine wanting this newest iteration of a phone I have used successfully for years. I am annoyed that I have this much invested in the Apple platform and feel betrayed At least this 6s will be last long enough for me to find an exit strategy that won't kill my pocketbook What part of having to worry if another piece of kit is sufficiently charged before it can be used is a good thing? If the failure mode to not having wireless earphones charged is to pull the backup wired earphones and dongle out then why have the bluetooth earphones in the first place?

Rant over, as well as my loyal business

Don't let the bullet train to the future hit you as we whoosh by.....

I guess now I understand why folks buy crap like Samsung. Because they don't understand what actually goes into these products and are too blinded by tiny little changes to notice huge user experience upgrades they'll regret not having when they leave.
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Oh. A device that does far less and has less technology? Cool. That really proves...some point I guess

Ha agreed - similar to the point that if Samsung could figure out water resistance with a headphone jack, then Apple could too.

Never mind that the goal isn't to go backward to some laggy, buggy piece of crap. If Apple wanted to be more like Samsung they'd sell a piece of dynamite in a box.
 
I believe you and most everyone here were not listening/watching the keynote.

In regular Apple-fashion, they didn't elaborate but based on rumors and the short design video/explanation given - the AirPods and new Beats lineup do NOT rely on Bluetooth 4.2. Rather Apple has designed its own "Bluetooth" chip and used that instead. Things like a "one touch setup", the lack of pairing and repairing, "more consistent connection", etc were all mentioned in relation to the AirPods.

Buzzfeed's article mentions "Bluetooth chip with secret sauce", the AirPods are compatible with Bluetooth devices but seem to "perform" better when paired with the iphone 7 that's what I've gathered:

“We use a Bluetooth connection, but cover it in a lot of secret sauce.”

(Sidenote: AirPods will work with non-Apple devices. No secret sauce, though.)

Secret sauce could indeed solve many Bluetooth issues and I have no doubt that by W3 (first releases tend to be a little flaky) the devices will be miles better and more convenient than wired 'phones.
 
iPhones have been using the same trick for years. Just FYI: Google search returns this number of hits for the following two searches:

iPhone exploded - 814,000 results
Samsung Galaxy exploded - 540,000 results

So, don't be too smug about it.

"exploding Apple iPhone" - 24,600 results
"exploding Samsung Galaxy" - 43,000 results (and rising!)
 
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Yep, I think the main disadvantages will be buying and fiddling with those pesky adapters, until wireless audio will mature (I'm guessing three to five years, tops).
Quoting SixColor's Jason Snell:

(I joked on Twitter last week that it’ll cost $19 if Apple’s sort of sorry, $29 if it’s not sorry, and if it’s free in the box then Apple’s really afraid of consumer backlash.)

I predict the adapter will be free in next year's iphone too.
The one thing that could have eased even more the transition would have been if the AirPods were free or cheaper but that would mean less profit for Apple, I guess.

Yes I was hoping the AirBud would be free esp. with no "Y" adapter.
The cost of the Airbuds is outrageous - I wouldn't pay a penny over £49.99 but they should be free as no "Y" adapter in box.
 
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Never mind that the goal isn't to go backward to some laggy, buggy piece of crap. If Apple wanted to be more like Samsung they'd sell a piece of dynamite in a box.

Bluetooth headphones and speakers are laggy too, by definition. They tend to flake out also, moreso than equally priced wired devices...Just sayin
 
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Buzzfeed's article mentions "Bluetooth chip with secret sauce", the AirPods are compatible with Bluetooth devices but seem to "perform" better when paired with the iphone 7 that's what I've gathered:

“We use a Bluetooth connection, but cover it in a lot of secret sauce.”

(Sidenote: AirPods will work with non-Apple devices. No secret sauce, though.)

Secret sauce could indeed solve many Bluetooth issues and I have no doubt that by W3 (first releases tend to be a little flaky) the devices will be miles better and more convenient than wired 'phones.

At this point in time, the term Bluetooth is ubiquitous for any wireless peripheral connection to a device.

Again, there's definitely some Apple-shroud here. But reading some of the pre-keynote reports this is an entirely new chip that's been in R&D for at least 5 years.
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Bluetooth headphones and speakers are laggy too, by definition. They tend to flake out also, moreso than equally priced wired devices...Just sayin

Pay attention - AirPods and Beats with the W1 are NOT comparable to current Bluetooth headphones.

Until we have a tear down and first hand reviews, it would appear this is a new wireless technology similar and compatible with Bluetooth.

Or perhaps think of it as a new standard ala 802.11ac - when an AC-enabled router is paired with another AC-enabled device, new features are available such as beam forming. Of course you wouldn't say an AC-router/device is laggy like an N-router because it's not. I believe the same applies here.
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Yes I was hoping the AirBud would be free esp. with no "Y" adapter.
The cost of the Airbuds is outrageous - I wouldn't pay a penny over £49.99 but they should be free as no "Y" adapter in box.

Develop a brand new technology over the course of 5 years superior to any competitive technology - give it away because a poster doesn't want to pay for it.

You folks make me laugh
 
All I want is a lightning splitter so I can charge and use the 3.5mm adapter. Once the adapters cost $5 I guess I'll buy 10 and make do, but this surely makes upgrading to the 7 hard to swallow right now. Tough choices...
 
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