Report Claims iPhone X Sales Not as Strong as Expected in the U.S.

[skinned66]

Face ID can be tricked with family... Sure it may have a "one in a million" false positive rate but that does you no good when that one in a million lives with you. Didn't have that issue with Touch ID, just saying. It's pretty obvious that Face ID was the compromise because they couldn't get under screen Touch ID to work and didn't want to ruin the Apple logo on the back with a vastly superior rear Touch ID.

Not just family...and while so far this is an isolated case it would have never happened with TouchID.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...ffered-refund-after-facial-recognition-allows.

 

[Juicy Box]

You’re making stuff up.

Jobs was wrong, people did buy them! Did you think he was perfect? He was wrong plenty!

But that’s not evidence of Apple being untruthful.

And the context of Schiller’s quote was iPhone charging. But now that Apple has (soon) three devices that can charge wirelessly, it’s not more complicated. It’s easier.

Also, you left out a key part of what Schiller said. He also said wireless charging systems still have to be plugged into the wall, so it’s not clear how much convenience they add. (Again, this was in the context of iphone charging only.)

Now that Apple is going to have three wireless charging devices, it’s quite clear how much convenience they add.

Jobs can be wrong about his opinion on whether large phones would sell well—like you’re wrong about Apple failing at TouchID underscreen and having to use FaceID instead. That does mean he (or you) is being untruthful or lying, or being deceitful. It just means the opinion is wrong.

Regardless of your explanations of Apple's change in stance of the things mentioned, you are were wrong to say I was making things up. They did happen.

 

[gijoeinla]

I’m not surprised RP’s making assumptions. I’m sure everybody who calls it “FAIL ID” has a balanced and measured argument...

In that they don’t own the iPhone X to begin with...

 

[bunnicula]

In the long run, maybe but it doesn't work seamlessly for many of us right now, and its by and large less efficient then touchid at the moment. I need to put my code in more often with FaceID then I had too with TouchID.
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Its more then a few more dollars, but I get your point. No matter how you slice it, the phone is expensive. I opted not to finance it because I felt paying 40 something dollars month was excessive.

Face ID works very well for me. Far better than Touch ID did initially. About as good as Touch ID did on the 7 plus.

 

[gijoeinla]

Face ID can be tricked with family... Sure it may have a "one in a million" false positive rate but that does you no good when that one in a million lives with you. Didn't have that issue with Touch ID, just saying. It's pretty obvious that Face ID was the compromise because they couldn't get under screen Touch ID to work and didn't want to ruin the Apple logo on the back with a vastly superior rear Touch ID.

It’s pretty obvious? Hmm let’s see, according to your line of thinking - Touch ID under the screen was scrapped “all of a sudden” and Apple and it’s massive global supply chain just axed it, quickly rewrote its software, notified BANKS like Chase etc etc etc and the rest of the UNIVERSE there’d b no print authentication and ALL these chains kept this news super secret and they all too had to hurriedly and I might add hastily become super adaptive overnight???????????????

I’ll repeat myself from another post of mine... Two years ago I decided I was tired of the home button. Pressing it etc. ya I liked Touch ID. But since I’m a VALID owner of the X this phone is now HANDS FREE (generally speaking) to unlock for a vast number of uses MANY of which include getting into apps that required another push of a button AND a touch auth.

Another point — soooooo many of you BASH Apple and have for YEARS on end about their lack of risk taking Tech wise - and when they do something bold and industry leading - it’s met by you conspiracy theorists as a failure or a quick fix or some other excuse for innovation.

How many of you said the watch was doomed? Ugly. Nobody would buy them ?????????????????????

I see more and more and more of them in the wild every day. I own two.

I mean if people are gonna criticize at the very least - at least own the product you seethe..

 

[kdarling]

Nobody (at Apple) ever said we didn't need a phone bigger than 4".

Jobs dissed larger phones, and Cook explicitly claimed to have found the right size at 4".

• "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
  - Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays, 2013 earnings call, about phablets

Apple has a long history of reversals. They love to diss anything that they don't sell themselves... YET . Here are just a few:

• "What are these things good for besides surfing the Web on the toilet?"
  - Jobs dissing tablets to his staff, 2003
  
  
• "There are no plans to make a tablet. It turns out people want keyboards. We look at the (idea of a) tablet, and we think it is going to fail.”
  - Jobs dissing touchscreen tablets at All Things Digital, 2003
  
  
• "I’m not convinced people want to watch movies on a tiny little screen."
  - Jobs dissing handheld video players to Mossberg 2003, pre iPod video
  
  
• No native SDK, because third party iPhone apps could "bring down" a cell network.
  - Jobs dissing opening up the iPhone to developers, interviews early 2007
  
  
• "The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don’t read any more.”
  - Jobs dissing the Kindle or any book or magazine apps, NYTimes 2008
  
  
• "There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps."
  - Jobs dissing smaller tablets, Apple quarterly earnings call, 2010, pre iPad mini

 

[Chinch07]

I’m in NY and I see iPhone X’s everywhere. Almost everyone in my office has one and I just went to see Odesza in Brooklyn last weekend and I was shocked to see iPhone X’s everywhere. Anytime someone held up a phone to snapchat or record the concert I’d look for the little white home bar at the bottom.

 

[MacBebe]

Consumers debt is never a good thing. Debt is debt no.matter how you slice the pie.

Only reasonable things for people to take debt on is education and housing. I don't even want take debt on car (well if I.have the means to do so). Taking on debt for education will help someone improve and making more money later on. Taking a mortgage on house will increase ones wealth and property value generally goes up.

Taking on debt for entertainment and other consumable stuff is never a good thing. We are living at the age where everyone is riddled with debt. This is never a good thing.

Don't buy stuff that goes beyond your ability to pay should be common sense.

I would never take a loan or financing my phone or computer or tablet or whatever. I would buy the iPhone that I can afford. I will buy cheaper Android phone if that is only thing I can afford.

If you can get an interest-free loan, why not.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Jobs dissed larger phones, and Cook explicitly claimed to have found the right size at 4".

• "We've put a lot of thinking into screen size and we think we've picked the right one."
  - Cook on 4" iPhone, dissing larger displays, 2013 earnings call, about phablets

If you're always going to jump to Apple's defense, then first at least go learn Apple's history of reversals. They love to diss anything that they don't sell themselves... YET

• "What are these things good for besides surfing the Web on the toilet?"
  - Jobs dissing tablets to his staff, 2003
  
  
• "There are no plans to make a tablet. It turns out people want keyboards. We look at the (idea of a) tablet, and we think it is going to fail.”
  - Jobs dissing touchscreen tablets at All Things Digital, 2003
  
  
• "I’m not convinced people want to watch movies on a tiny little screen."
  - Jobs dissing handheld video players to Mossberg 2003
  
  
• No native SDK, because third party iPhone apps could "bring down" a cell network.
  - Jobs dissing opening up the iPhone to developers, interviews early 2007
  
  
• "The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don’t read any more.”
  - Jobs dissing the Kindle or any book or magazine apps, NYTimes 2008
  
  
• "There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is theminimum size required to create great tablet apps."
  - Jobs dissing smaller tablets, Apple quarterly earnings call, 2010

I said “Nobody (at Apple) ever said we didn't need a phone bigger than 4" when I was calling out a made up quote.

Awesome list of Jobs smack-talk though, that guy was one of a kind!!

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

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Let’s be honest here. These aren’t smartphones. These are computers. I’m a small business owner and my phone is my lifeline. I email, do quotes, make business calls etc daily. I upgrade to a new phone yearly because it’s a tool for success for my business. To me, spending $1000 is a business investment that helps me make money. So to say no person in their right mind is simply wrong.

All the things you list can be comfortably done using a $300 phone.

If you can get an interest-free loan, why not.

Interest free loan is still debt.

 

[MacBebe]

TouchID is better when it comes to authentication than FaceID. I like TouchID myself, but FaceID is better user experience for me overall.

 

[intz2nu]

I’m in NY and I see iPhone X’s everywhere. Almost everyone in my office has one and I just went to see Odesza in Brooklyn last weekend and I was shocked to see iPhone X’s everywhere. Anytime someone held up a phone to snapchat or record the concert I’d look for the little white home bar at the bottom.

What were the colors that you seen the most? Space Grey or Silver?

 

[Michael Scrip]

The headline contradicts the article. The headline states “Report Claims iPhone X Sales Not as Strong as Expected in the U.S.”

But according to what’s written, the headline should read “Report Claims iPhone X Pre-orders Not as Strong as Expected in the U.S.”

Either the headline or the article text needs to be corrected.

Yeah... I'm confused as well.

The source article's headline is "Shipments of iPhone X to reach 30-35 million units in 4Q17, say sources" but the article actually talks about multiple topics.

There is one sentence about pre-orders being not so strong... but pre-orders started October 27

Did it really take them until December 22 to figure that out?

Also... "pre-orders" only happened for a week in the US, Taiwan and Singapore. Those are done. In fact... anything after the November 3rd launch would be called "orders" or "sales"

So are they talking about the week of pre-orders in October? Or all sales of iPhone X from launch until now?

As usual... a DigiTimes article leaves us with more questions than answers...

 

[jarman92]

No person in his/ her right mind would pay $1,000.00 for a mobile device. I have loved iPhones ever since the 2G came out and have upgraded every year but decided to skip this year not because money is the issue, but because I'm just not able to justify to myself spending a grand for a new cellphone.

No person in their right mind would pay $1000 for a phone because you personally wouldn’t...someone is a little full of themselves, no?

Of course this is anecdotal, but I’ve seen far more iPhone Xs in the wild than any previous release. It’s actually shocking how many people have it.

 

[askep3]

Apple shot themselves in the foot with FAIL ID.

Says the guy who probably hasn’t used it

It’s working so well for me I wouldn’t even want to go back to Touch ID

 

[brian3uk]

I wonder what sales look like after returns tho. Because I know people buy them and then after a few days get bored or annoyed with FaceID or the OLED panel and realize $1000 is a lot to not be thrilled, so they take it back. I am one of those people, and my friend that works at the Apple Store has said returns and exchanges have been pretty steady.

 

[askep3]

Face ID can be tricked with family... Sure it may have a "one in a million" false positive rate but that does you no good when that one in a million lives with you. Didn't have that issue with Touch ID, just saying. It's pretty obvious that Face ID was the compromise because they couldn't get under screen Touch ID to work and didn't want to ruin the Apple logo on the back with a vastly superior rear Touch ID.

Didn’t know your family was a security threat out to ruin your life when given access to your device.

It is very unlikely most people have someone in their family that can u lock their device, *especially* after it has been trained over the course of a few days. Also, you should be able to tell just by looking if they will be able to unlock If the middle of someone’s is identical to yours
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Don’t know why they seem surprised. The price is way beyond what most people, even big Applefanboys, are able to pay.
It’s a great phone, but there’s no way I’m going to pay that for a smartphone. I’ve actually just bought a new Macbook ( from the refurb ) for less than the price of the iPhone X.

Maybe next year, when they’ll bring out cheaper models.

Because it’s so much more than a maxed out 7 plus from last year....
nevermind, it isn’t, and most people
Don’t buy unlocked they buy on a lease or installment plan which ends up with you paying less that 10 dollars extra per momth

 

[PickUrPoison]

Regardless of your explanations of Apple's change in stance of the things mentioned, you are were wrong to say I was making things up. They did happen.

Don’t be surprised when you claim people said things they didn’t and get called on it.

You can’t incorrectly paraphrase somebody and then say: “Yup, their statements are always accurate and true.”

So my reply was basically... yeah, that’s not what they said.

When you used the actual quote, I then explained how the Jobs and Schiller quotes were opinions, and not evidence of untruthfulness.

 

[askep3]

Peopl

It’s pretty obvious? Hmm let’s see, according to your line of thinking - Touch ID under the screen was scrapped “all of a sudden” and Apple and it’s massive global supply chain just axed it, quickly rewrote its software, notified BANKS like Chase etc etc etc and the rest of the UNIVERSE there’d b no print authentication and ALL these chains kept this news super secret and they all too had to hurriedly and I might add hastily become super adaptive overnight???????????????

I’ll repeat myself from another post of mine... Two years ago I decided I was tired of the home button. Pressing it etc. ya I liked Touch ID. But since I’m a VALID owner of the X this phone is now HANDS FREE (generally speaking) to unlock for a vast number of uses MANY of which include getting into apps that required another push of a button AND a touch auth.

Another point — soooooo many of you BASH Apple and have for YEARS on end about their lack of risk taking Tech wise - and when they do something bold and industry leading - it’s met by you conspiracy theorists as a failure or a quick fix or some other excuse for innovation.

How many of you said the watch was doomed? Ugly. Nobody would buy them ?????????????????????

I see more and more and more of them in the wild every day. I own two.

I mean if people are gonna criticize at the very least - at least own the product you seethe..

e just criticize what they don’t have. It’s funny there’s barely any people who hate the X, it’s only the non owners you see complaining

 

[Makayla]

Just the X or 8 and 8+ and X?

I hope maybe it will push Apple to reconsider that ugly notch. Lol

 

[FelixDerKater]

The price, uncertainty about FaceID, and releasing the 8/8Plus at the same time all contribute here.

 

[GoldenJoe]

Obvious pricing concerns are obvious.

 

[asdavis10]

The iPhone X is in a weird position. It has the "best" tech for an iPhone but it's not as "complete" as the iPhone 8 Plus. Face ID is great. Loved it on my X but I went back to my 8 Plus because I used my iPhone in landscape mode so much. No landscape mode was something I couldn't look past. Touch ID is great but it has its weaknesses (few) just as Face ID. But Apple has the 8, 8 Plus, and X which are all within a few features of each other. Add the 7 and 7 Plus to the mix and you'll see that customers have so much choice to get a really great iPhone at great prices. But I think sales of the X are just fine (when looked at with the 8 and 8 Plus).

The iPhone super cycle will actually be in 2018 and 2019 when so many more customers are upgrading from the 7 and 8 (and X) series to the next series of iPhones.

 

[harriska2]

In the long run, maybe but it doesn't work seamlessly for many of us right now, and its by and large less efficient then touchid at the moment. I need to put my code in more often with FaceID then I had too with TouchID.
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Its more then a few more dollars, but I get your point. No matter how you slice it, the phone is expensive. I opted not to finance it because I felt paying 40 something dollars month was excessive.

Sounds like my ipad with touch id that I got in December of 2015. The first day it would work, then it would work like 1 out of 0 times. I just ended up disabling all passwords, 6 digits is punishing. Then a few months ago I heard that they fixed issues win the touch ID and we all now have it successfully in use on our ipads and phones. Maybe they will iron out faceid over time with software.

 

[I7guy]

How so? Or is it because you're disgruntled that touch ID will no longer be in existence in the future of the iPhone now that Face ID is replacing it? I Believe Face ID will be highly successful in the long run and it's The start of what's to come for the iPhone and merging into other Apple products.

We are going to find out on the next earnings call. Even if it’s a record breaker, can guarantee there will be some negative spin.