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This is just one of many cracks to recently show up in Apple's foundation. It won't happen fast, but Cook and crew are going to kill the company.
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Yes, it beats your 6S thanks to App!e. You have officially been manipulated.
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Politics aside, I have moved to the Google universe after ten years with iOS. Could not be happier.

Cool. Bye
 
Wrong. Not with iPhone X. We asked for all screen with Touch ID and they failed miserably.

lol failed? I'm curious what you'll say IF the Samsung Galaxy S9 does not come with their fingerprint reader under the screen? Hmm.

And who are you? This is Apple we’re talking about, they choose the direction that technology moves.

I happen to be extremely satisfied with my iPhone X and Face ID’s performance. Touch ID has been inconvenient in certain situations where Face ID has been easier.

Such as when you're paralized in your arms and hands! Touch ID is pretty much useless for you then!
I'm curious if that "Quadfather" (coder featured in Apple's Accessibility videos back in May 2017) has a passcode on his iPhone or if he's upgraded to the X and with FaceID now has a passcode on his iphone? This would be one GREAT area and argument where Touch ID in itself fails some users of a specific demographic.

To be fair, you are right. However, why not offer us Touch ID? I know someone who is very happy with Face ID due to the fact that Touch ID never works for them.

I wish you would make up your mind:
Either hate the iPhone X outright,
Hate the iPhone X because it's price,
Hate the iPhone X because of no TouchID but praise it for having edge to edge screen. Make up your mind lol.
 
You can’t compare the price of a 64GB phone to a 256GB phone. Also the iPhone X due to its size is more compareable to an iPhone 8/7/6s/6. The iPhone 7 and previous models were $649 for base storage, the iPhone 8 is $699. So it’s a $300 difference, or $350 if you usually got the 6/6s/7 in previous years.

Obviously if you compare the 7 plus or 8 plus fully maxed out with capacity and AppleCare it’s going to be closer in price. But the people who are saying it costs too much aren’t the ones who had maxed out capacity iPhone 7 Plus and are switching.

This is trueee.
 
No person in his/ her right mind would pay $1,000.00 for a mobile device. I have loved iPhones ever since the 2G came out and have upgraded every year but decided to skip this year not because money is the issue, but because I'm just not able to justify to myself spending a grand for a new cellphone.

I’m pretty sure in your case money IS the issue. Read what you posted again. It’s all about money.
 
No person in his/ her right mind would pay $1,000.00 for a mobile device. I have loved iPhones ever since the 2G came out and have upgraded every year but decided to skip this year not because money is the issue, but because I'm just not able to justify to myself spending a grand for a new cellphone.

If anybody cares about actual data as opposed to a Digitimes report on a week of pre-sales, Localytics has estimated current sales of iPhone X at 35.9 million as of 12/18–with about 600,000 X per day being sold in the week prior.

Assuming that run rate, iPhone X sales have hit over 38 million as of today. Merry Christmas!!

Not bad for a phone nobody wants or can afford.

They also have iPhone 8 sales at about 24 million and the 8 Plus 30 million.
 
Obvious pricing concerns are obvious.

The phone is OverPriced, end of story! And there's little justification for its hiked price.

Moving along, you can satisfy your ego as much as you please by buying/endorsing/flashing it in front of the rest, if it cheers you up.
 
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Where's the surprise? People that are willing to pay the Apple tax for 256GB are not going to blink when asked to pay over $1000 for a iPhone with 64GB of storage.

So comparing Apples to Apples the new 256GB phone is 200 dollars more than the last one. Samsung and other Android phone makers have have OLED displays and wireless charging for quite a while at lower price points so you can’t say those features made it cost more. The Face ID is new but the new phone doesn’t have Touch ID. It’s just simply Apple wanting to charge $200 more because they can and many people will pay for it. I won’t. I didn’t upgrade his year and I won’t next year either. They are just getting to dang expensive in relation to what you get out of it. The baseline flagship phone 7 years ago cost what 600. Now it cost 1000. Why has the price increased 400? There are things that have gotten better hardware wise but prices in hardware also decreases over time. I just don’t get it.
 
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All the things you list can be comfortably done using a $300 phone.

Interest free loan is still debt.

Actually you’re incorrect. A $300 phone doesn’t sync seamlessly from my iPad, Mac and MacBook (unless of course we are talking an old Apple phone). A $300 phone can not provide the speed I need for multi tasking between apps, mail and files. You clearly don’t run your own business and that’s ok. You as an average consumer might be able to get away with a $300 phone, power users cannot.
 
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I’m pretty sure in your case money IS the issue. Read what you posted again. It’s all about money.
I think what he is saying is for 200-400 dollars more we aren’t getting things hat our old phones aren’t doing well either. I can afford a new iPhone X easily but I’m getting to the point where my old phones do everything I need hem to do so I’d rather spend that 1000 on other things as opposed to a new phone that scans my face and doesn’t have bezels.
 
If anybody cares about actual data as opposed to a Digitimes report on a week of pre-sales, Localytics has estimated current sales of iPhone X at 35.9 million as of 12/18–with about 600,000 X per day being sold in the week prior.

Assuming that run rate, iPhone X sales have hit over 38 million as of today. Merry Christmas!!

Not bad for a phone nobody wants or can afford.

They also have iPhone 8 sales at about 24 million and the 8 Plus 30 million.

That sounds like a much better estimate! Thank you for posting it. :)

Even though Apple doesn't breakout sales by device... there will be plenty of analysis of the total numbers after the next earnings call.

If these estimates are accurate... or at a least in the ballpark... it'll be interesting.

You're right... over 1/3 of iPhone sales would be for a phone no one wants or can afford. This would disprove the myth for sure! :p
 
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Give me an iPhone with a touch sensitive Touch ID button and the smallest possible top and bottom bezels and take my money. I don't want a phone that I have to actually look at to unlock it. I want to unlock it as I'm raising it out of my pocket so it's ready when I am.

I predicted this and was laughed at. Meanwhile, Used iphone 7's are selling out at Glyde and probably still outselling the iPhone 8 new.

I could easily afford the $1000, but I prefer not to get the "Bag O' Hurt" that comes with it, the lack of functionality and easy usage in the car that Touch ID allows for. With Face ID, by the time the phone recognizes you, you've run off the road. With Touch ID, I can just blindly reach over, unlock the phone with one finger and say, Hey Siri.
 
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I predicted this and was laughed at. Meanwhile, Used iphone 7's are selling out at Glyde and probably still outselling the iPhone 8 new.

I could easily afford the $1000, but I prefer not to get the "Bag O' Hurt" that comes with it, the lack of functionality and easy usage in the car that Touch ID allows for. With Face ID, by the time the phone recognizes you, you've run off the road. With Touch ID, I can just blindly reach over, unlock the phone with one finger and say, Hey Siri.
Not to pick on you, since the article is Digitimes and it refers to pre-sales, despite the misleading headline here on MacRumors... but iPhone 8/8 Plus sales are estimated at a combined 53 million, iPhone X at 36 million. Localytics data through 12/18.
 
Not to pick on you, since the article is Digitimes and it refers to pre-sales, despite the misleading headline here on MacRumors... but iPhone 8/8 Plus sales are estimated at a combined 53 million, iPhone X at 36 million. Localytics data through 12/18.

Apple will quickly discontinue iPhone 6s and 7 to increase sales right after Christmas. They'll take your money now, but they prefer it in the right place where the profit is greater. :D
 
Kind of expected when the base price for an iPhone used to be $650, and now it’s $1000, not including tax. The iPhone X is great, but I can’t see a lot of people upgrading if their current phone is still running well enough. Even if it’s not running well enough, it’s hard to justify spending:
  • $450 more compared to an iPhone 7
  • $331 more compared to an iPhone 7+
  • $300 more compared to an iPhone 8
  • $200 more compared to an iPhone 8+
When the software experience and cameras are largely the same.
 
I think what he is saying is for 200-400 dollars more we aren’t getting things hat our old phones aren’t doing well either. I can afford a new iPhone X easily but I’m getting to the point where my old phones do everything I need hem to do so I’d rather spend that 1000 on other things as opposed to a new phone that scans my face and doesn’t have bezels.

I get the point, but in the same post he says it’s not about money but then says he would never spend that much on an iPhone. So in essence it’s all about the money.

Believe me, I didn’t want to spend “the money”on a new iPhone either. But I had a 3 year old 6 plus with a broken screen. I needed a new iPhone and since I do keep my iPhones a while didn’t want anything stale. The 8 and 8 plus are stale imo.
 
No person in his/ her right mind would pay $1,000.00 for a mobile device. I have loved iPhones ever since the 2G came out and have upgraded every year but decided to skip this year not because money is the issue, but because I'm just not able to justify to myself spending a grand for a new cellphone.

There's also the iPhone 8, at a cheaper price. I'm confused why that doesn't fit into your yearly upgrade plans? It has the same improved tech as the X does, in a familiar form factor.
 
No person in his/ her right mind would pay $1,000.00 for a mobile device. I have loved iPhones ever since the 2G came out and have upgraded every year but decided to skip this year not because money is the issue, but because I'm just not able to justify to myself spending a grand for a new cellphone.
Agreed. Just because you can AFFORD to spend $1K for an iPhone doesn't mean you HAVE to buy one. And besides the notch sucks eggs.

I'd also go for an iPhone 8 if I didn't have a perfectly fine iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S8. Maybe next year when the prices go down.
 
Not surprised one bit by the poor sales. 1000 Plus for removed features, wacky screen/gestures and first gen tech.

NO BUY
 
Not surprised one bit by the poor sales. 1000 Plus for removed features, wacky screen/gestures and first gen tech.

NO BUY
But sales aren’t poor, the article is about pre-sales. And it’s Digitimes.

Through 12/18, iPhone X sales are estimated at 36 million, 8 & 8 Plus combined at 53 million. Localytics data.
 
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especially in China when Apple needed it the most, but their best move this year was to offer a full spectrum of devices at every price point, leaving little price umbrella to competitors.

What a hilarious comment! Do you really know the situation in China? In every product level, Huawei has one or more products competing with Apple’s, with the same or better capability and quality, but a price one to two grand less (in Chinese currency, which equals to about $150-$300). Except for those who only care about foreign brands, almost no people in China are buying iPhones any more. Unless it significantly changes its strategy, Apple is only to hold less and less market share in China.

Of course, with the large population and the rapidly increasing number of smartphone users, Apple can still keep its absolute sales number good in China for a while, but that won’t last long (10 years at most).
 
You do realize that people have been paying that for years right? AppleCare, insurance, your rate plan etc all add up to more than $1000.

I sold my 7 Plus for $600 and put that towards a 64GB iPhone X and I’m doing Apple’s iPhone Upgrade Program.

Idk what’s the deal with some people’s mentalities. Especially when a 256GB 7 Plus was $969 at launch!

Well in the USA you have the option of Apple's iPhone Upgrade Program. Anywhere else this program doesn't exist.

Most people haven't paid $1000 for the phone itself before (USA/Canada) - not before taxes. Sorry scratch that ... ONLY in HTC's hey day was there ever a phone/2 that cost more than $1000 retail full price or after contract.

HTC Advantage X7500 (2007 Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone Edition) & HTC Shift (2008 Microsoft Vista Business and SnapVUE OS; the only time for a smartphone/computer to ship with a Dual OS!!) both of which miserably failed in sales all due to cost. Rogers/AT&T in Canada attempted the Shift as a business alternative ... didn't take.

What you're pre-posing is the cost of the phone at full retail, plus a case, plus AppleCare+. If I went to an Apple store then yes my iPhone 7 256GB + AppleCare+ and a case would've costed me over $1100 ... but I purchased mine off kijiji BNIB (guy was switching to SGS8+) $800 and AppleCare+ kept me under $970 all in. Case I don't use. With all that it's STILL more than I get full retail than the iPhone X without case, without AppleCare+ so your rebuttal is weak in a direct retail for retail price comparison (outside my grey market purchse) as the values don't match up.
 
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Well in the USA you have the option of Apple's iPhone Upgrade Program. Anywhere else this program doesn't exist.

Most people haven't paid $1000 for the phone itself before (USA/Canada) - not before taxes. Sorry scratch that ... ONLY in HTC's hey day was there ever a phone/2 that cost more than $1000 retail full price or after contract.

HTC Advantage X7500 (2007 Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 for PocketPC Phone Edition) & HTC Shift (2008 Microsoft Vista Business and SnapVUE OS; the only time for a smartphone/computer to ship with a Dual OS!!) both of which miserably failed in sales all due to cost. Rogers/AT&T in Canada attempted the Shift as a business alternative ... didn't take.

What you're pre-posing is the cost of the phone at full retail, plus a case, plus AppleCare+. If I went to an Apple store then yes my iPhone 7 256GB + AppleCare+ and a case would've costed me over $1100 ... but I purchased mine off kijiji BNIB (guy was switching to SGS8+) $800 and AppleCare+ kept me under $970 all in. Case I don't use. With all that it's STILL more than I get full retail than the iPhone X without case, without AppleCare+ so your rebuttal is weak in a direct retail for retail price comparison (outside my grey market purchse) as the values don't match up.

I suppose. Oh well. I’m happy with my iPhone X and the fact that my old iPhones always hold a great resale value which offsets the price of whatever new iPhone is out.

$999 + $199 AppleCare spread over 24 months for a device that I use and carry with me all day every is worth it.

Sure it’s a couple hundred dollars more, but for me the quality and ease of use are worth it. Shout out to everyone boycotting it and everyone who sticks to their guns though. :)
 
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Agreed. Just because you can AFFORD to spend $1K for an iPhone doesn't mean you HAVE to buy one. And besides the notch sucks eggs.

I'd also go for an iPhone 8 if I didn't have a perfectly fine iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S8. Maybe next year when the prices go down.

Then don’t buy one. It’s very rich of you to act as if you have a right to tell people what they can and cannot buy.
 
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