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BankMyCell is just one trade-in service of many however. Its data also conflicts with CIRP research issued in January, which pointed to loyalty rates of 91% for iPhones

So, your source also points out conflicts in other data.

In the end, 38,000 phones and a natural bias in only looking at people using one trade in service is not definitive data. It clearly doesn’t speak for the overall market, because the iPhone user base has grown, fact.

Also, Samsung sales (as they have reported) have plummeted, so not sure what benefit they’ve received from Apple switchers.
According to CIRP, Android retention rate is higher than that of iOS:
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Let’s not forget, there are only 8GB RAM standard on most Macs. It’s sad. The really sad part is it’s a custom order to get 16GB on most so cannot buy at most resellers.

And in reality, the iPad Pro 2018 was tested with 4GB and 6GB and the only difference that I remember is slightly worse battery times. So, in the case of iOS, it’s really more of just a number, MOSTLY.
 
Why tho. Who actually needs 8GB or especially 12 GB of RAM in a mobile device in 2019? Either it’s for pure bragging rights, or Samsung, and Android as a whole, really is that inefficient.
RAM is actually quite “inexpensive” cost wise, thus for Android phones, where most are using spec to sell themselves, putting in more RAM is a “cheap” way to sell your phone for more margins.
As for actual use, I find that 6GB is the sweet spot for Android, with 4GB being the minimum. Android is not inefficient per se, it’s just that it has, and allows, a ton of background processes and apps to run in the background with less restrictions compared to iOS.

Of course, we probably don’t really need 12GB of RAM on a phone today. I mean even Windows can run well on less than that. On iOS, more RAM allows more apps to remain in their state, which is useful when you switch around apps often. As Apple seems to be pushing the camera and AR on their devices, the additional RAM is probably being used to maintain that large amount of data being captured constantly when you are using the camera. I mean we already know that the iPhone actually takes multiple pictures even before we press the shutter button. That burst of images probably requires to remain in RAM for the ISP. I’m just speculating though.
 
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I was responding to the person who made the comparison between RAM and engine size. Anyhow, I don't agree with your example - it would make more sense in relation to hard-drive space.

The reason why Apple is not publicly dislosing their RAM is because they know it's far less compared to their competition. There's plenty of consumers out there who will instantly be put off if they found out the shiny new $1000+ iPhone only had 3GB of RAM. It's enough to put them off, despite the fact that it will still outperform its competitors. Apple prefers to let its real-world performance and experience do the talking.
I 99% agree with everything you said. Except sometimes the iPhone has poor multitask feature. You multitask from one app to another and try to be really fast so it doesn't refresh and it refreshes. Sure you can turn it off but it is something that they can improve on.
 
You know, criticizing Apple does not make one an "Apple hater". I criticize them when they deserve criticism, and I own all sorts of Apple stuff and have for ten years.

Being an Apple user doesn't prove you are not an Apple Hater! He was just responding to the snarky "assume the lower" comment.
 
I have friends who still use the iPhone 6. I ask isn't it time to upgrade and they're like, why. I just had a friend who upgraded from an iPhone 5 to the XR. Not because the 5 was running slow or anything like that. He dropped it cracking the screen.
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Apple doesn't answer questions like this. They put out what information they want. I'm sure you knew that though


Actually, I didn’t, and I stand by my original statement. Thanks for your vote of confidence though.
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No, they aren’t...at least not iOS users. Android users might be, but iPhone user base continues to grow. Samsung sales have dropped significantly, far worse than Apple. Huawei hurts other Android phones, not so much iOS.

Apple users literally don’t switch platforms. They may indeed hold on to their phones longer, but industry leading satisfaction and growing iPhone user base means they are NOT switching. These are facts.

Your opinion isn’t based on the facts. Higher Huawei sales doesn’t mean switchers from iOS, particularly when you see Samsung and Google plummeting. Even Google’s CEO talked about poor Pixel performance because of increased competition and slowing flagship sales.

Please post the source of your facts. I’d like to see these numbers for my edification.

Thanks in advance!
 
RAM isn't some obscure engine technicality. This is like Apple making a car and refusing to tell you what the capacity of the trunk is, and just saying "it's optimised to carry most users' luggage".

Really? How much of a difference in real world performance would 4 vs 6 GB of ram make? how about 6 vs 8? I get the more is better idea but there is a balance. This is more like not telling how much of your engine displacement is bore vs stroke.
 
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Highly unlikely as the 512 GB iPad Pro is fine with 4 GB, so was last year's 512 GB XS.
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The claim that evil Apple will do anything to intentionally slow down your old iPhone forcing you to upgrade is "based on historical fact"? I guess claims like that never get old, but they're as tin-foily as ever.

This is the company that just recently bothered to issue an update for 8 year old iPhone 4s (and even older iPad 2) to ensure GPS continues to work properly.

Yes and the on going investigations into the battery scandal proves it, let alone the fine they have already received over it. The only one with the tin foil hat is yourself with it fending off all these facts.

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-45963943
 
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I love this desperate bickering and justifications every time iPhone is released. The anxiety level just hits super high! I am so glad I moved to Galaxy. Have been enjoying s10 plus with 3 cameras,128gb storage with a 256gb microsd card, 8gb ram. You guys need something else to do in your life rather than wasting time in such discussion.
 
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Really? How much of a difference in real world performance would 4 vs 6 GB of ram make? how about 6 vs 8? I get the more is better idea but there is a balance. This is more like not telling how much of your engine displacement is bore vs stroke.

6 would be 50% more than 4. 8 would be 100% more.

How much less often would you have to stop and refill your tank if it had 50% more capacity? Or 100% more capacity?

If you could add 100% more capacity to your car without any change in size or weight and it only increased the price a tiny fraction more, why wouldn't you?
 
According to CIRP, Android retention rate is higher than that of iOS:
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Of course, because there a many many Android providers...in fact, essentially all of them besides Apple. Nothing definitive here, only that iPhone customers are extremely loyal considering they have ALL other options in manufacturer and over 90% stay with Apple.

I never said anyone was switching a lot from either platform. I said people aren’t leaving iOS...and they aren’t. Nothing you’ve posted proves otherwise and we KNOW the iPhone user base continues to grow, so it’s certainly not a concern for Apple.
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Actually, I didn’t, and I stand by my original statement. Thanks for your vote of confidence though.
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Please post the source of your facts. I’d like to see these numbers for my edification.

Thanks in advance!
There are tons of market studies that try to guess, but the only fact I need is the official stat iPhone user base continues to grow. Apple has told us that and they can’t lie to investors. All other data points are guesses.

The overall active device count is 1.4B and iPhones are something like 900M, an all time high according to Apple.
 
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I love this desperate bickering and justifications every time iPhone is released. The anxiety level just hits super high! I am so glad I moved to Galaxy. Have been enjoying s10 plus with 3 cameras,128gb storage with a 256gb microsd card, 8gb ram. You guys need something else to do in your life rather than wasting time in such discussion.


First your phone needs that as a minimum to be equal to 3-4 gb of ram on the iphone
Secondly, if you’re enjoying your phone so much and aren’t part of Apple ecosystem why bother commenting?

ahh because you need to keep trying to justify switching to an inferior brand


But on topic, it doesn’t really matter - I’m sure it will be 6gb - if not well we aren’t being held back by anything. Maybe the 2020 iPhones will be 128gb storage 6gb Ram default ‍♂️ Who cares as long as it works
 
BankMyCell is just one trade-in service of many however. Its data also conflicts with CIRP research issued in January, which pointed to loyalty rates of 91% for iPhones

So, your source also points out conflicts in other data.

In the end, 38,000 phones and a natural bias in only looking at people using one trade in service is not definitive data. It clearly doesn’t speak for the overall market, because the iPhone user base has grown, fact.

Also, Samsung sales (as they have reported) have plummeted, so not sure what benefit they’ve received from Apple switchers.

I'd add that anyone who uses trade-in data to determine loyalty rates is looking at just a fraction of a fraction of the market, thereby making the data almost useless (other than to sell it to the brand who appears to benefit from said data. Although anecdotal, I and most if not all of my peers do the same thing with our lightly used iPhones - we pass them down to our kids. So iPhone usage could actually be growing even more than sales data might show, as these hand me down iPhones at least at one point, go to a new user (in the family).
 
I'd add that anyone who uses trade-in data to determine loyalty rates is looking at just a fraction of a fraction of the market, thereby making the data almost useless (other than to sell it to the brand who appears to benefit from said data. Although anecdotal, I and most if not all of my peers do the same thing with our lightly used iPhones - we pass them down to our kids. So iPhone usage could actually be growing even more than sales data might show, as these hand me down iPhones at least at one point, go to a new user (in the family).
And we see that in the user base continuing to grow despite slower iPhone sales.
 
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“The issues...was mostly a communications one”. That is I suppose one way of describing the act of deliberately keeping key information from phone owners resulting in many people giving up a good working phone and forking out substantial cash to buy a new one.

You fail to provide anything to back the claim that the intent of it all was enticing people to upgrade. Should they have better educated Genius Bar staff on the matter? Sure. Was it a deliberate and malevolent decision not doing so? Hard to imagine.

I am well aware of the situation. If Apple's motives were so pure they wouldn't have felt the need to keep it a secret. They would've told customers who came in complaining about slowdowns on their phone that they should just replace the battery rather than convince them to buy a new iPhone. But you are free to believe Apple's explanation.
"They" as in the staff that simply didn't know any better?
Of course I'm enticed to believe the explanation that adds up, rather than tinfoil-hattery that doesn't.
But this all had already been discussed, as I said, ad nauseam.

If you believe Apple wants to screw you over, simply refrain from purchasing anything they offer.
Meanwhile I continue to simply enjoy the exceptional longevity of my Apple devices.
 
I'd add that anyone who uses trade-in data to determine loyalty rates is looking at just a fraction of a fraction of the market, thereby making the data almost useless (other than to sell it to the brand who appears to benefit from said data. Although anecdotal, I and most if not all of my peers do the same thing with our lightly used iPhones - we pass them down to our kids. So iPhone usage could actually be growing even more than sales data might show, as these hand me down iPhones at least at one point, go to a new user (in the family).
So when you update to a new iPhone and pass down your last iPhone to your kids, what happens to the previous iPhones you passed down to your kids and they will no longer be using?
 
Yes and the on going investigations into the battery scandal proves it, let alone the fine they have already received over it. The only one with the tin foil hat is yourself with it fending off all these facts.

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-45963943

So "ongoing investigations" are proof of what exactly?

That Italian ruling is quite absurd if you ask me. However, I'm sure you're aware that judges are human and that different courts, especially in different nations, can often come to diametrically opposed rulings?
 
There is nothing "pro" about any of the phones. It is a word gimmick that will convince people they will get something better, when it is just like any other phone.
Your right. For me, 64GB doesn’t even cover my music library. If it’s aimed at pro users of photography well they will need more than 64GB. I can understand 64GB on the iPhone 11. If Apple wants to brand it Pro then it needs to start at 256GB. Apple has never understood this concept unless they are intentionally doing this on purpose (price gouging customers who need Pro storage)
 
So fair is forcing people to pay for more storage even if 64 GB is more than enough. Apple isn't GIVING people anything. They are SELLING a product. Why do people somehow feel Apple is a charity.

128GB should be the base model at the 64GB price point. The only reason it’s not is because Apple want to force people into the mid tier more expensive 256GB model. 64GB is pitiful whilst 256GB is more than enough but they don’t offer the middle ground option because it would mean less profit because everyone would go for that.

In addition they cancel the XS series instead of lowering the price and keeping it in the line up. However they choose to keep in the 8 which is now two years old.

Apple has just become greedy money grabbers chasing high margins over designing better quality products. With no Steve Jobs and now no Jony Ive Apple have no ideas unless they find another source of inspiration. They are trying to grab as much money before sales really tank.
 
128GB should be the base model at the 64GB price point. The only reason it’s not is because Apple want to force people into the mid tier more expensive 256GB model. 64GB is pitiful whilst 256GB is more than enough but they don’t offer the middle ground option because it would mean less profit because everyone would go for that.

In addition they cancel the XS series instead of lowering the price and keeping it in the line up. However they choose to keep in the 8 which is now two years old.

Apple has just become greedy money grabbers chasing high margins over designing better quality products. With no Steve Jobs and now no Jony Ive Apple have no ideas unless they find another source of inspiration. They are trying to grab as much money before sales really tank.
Everyone wants something for nothing. They won't get it but there's nothing wrong with wanting it. Why would they keep the XS when it's right behind the current model. They have enough models as is. They kept the XR as a low cost option but the XS isn't for that market. If you want an XS there's plenty of used and refurbished options available.
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Your right. For me, 64GB doesn’t even cover my music library. If it’s aimed at pro users of photography well they will need more than 64GB. I can understand 64GB on the iPhone 11. If Apple wants to brand it Pro then it needs to start at 256GB. Apple has never understood this concept unless they are intentionally doing this on purpose (price gouging customers who need Pro storage)
So you want the 256 GB upgrade for free o_O
 
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