Research in Motion Launches 'Torch' Smartphone and BlackBerry 6 OS

[Mattie Num Nums]

Fact: The market share of Blackberries has been constantly shrinking during the last quarters.

Fact: Based on current trends it is very likely that your statements will stop to be correct within 1 year or less.

Conclusion: You are blind towards the obvious.

I guess by that Logic Android will be supreme as well since it is rising above and beyond iOS.

Seriously why does everything turn into an Apple vs. All debate. Can't you just discuss the technology at hand!

BTW: It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that iOS is superior to the new RIM OS. Again its just targeted for a different audience.

 

[archipellago]

Thats the point but all the kids come in here and start comparing it to the iPhone.




You are not RIM's target audience.




Android 2.2 offers all the necessary security Administrators would need as well as API's.

eh..?

I'll take all those blackberries back then....

what an ignorant and sweeping statement.


my point was that mobile apps..as a general term... are a waste of time when it comes 'getting things done'

 

[samcraig]

Fact: The market share of Blackberries has been constantly shrinking during the last quarters.

Fact: Based on current trends it is very likely that your statements will stop to be correct within 1 year or less.

Conclusion: You are blind towards the obvious.

And as I said above - so what? Blackberry will move to perhaps just a niche market from where it once was. It might never regain the marketshare. That doesn't mean the Blackberry is dead.

Or do I repeat my comment about the MAC again. Oh look - I did anyway.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

And as I said above - so what? Blackberry will move to perhaps just a niche market from where it once was. It might never regain the marketshare. That doesn't mean the Blackberry is dead.

Or do I repeat my comment about the MAC again. Oh look - I did anyway.

Its quite obvious that Blackberry only cares about its Niche. I think the Storm was its attempt to break away from it but that failed.

 

[50548]

You're from Switzerland right? The same country that houses convicted pedophiles.

No I am not, but I will answer anyway. Switzerland simply did not decide to extradite that Polansky animal due to the same procedural legal reasons that a country like the US would invoke:

"Widmer-Schlumpf said the decision had been taken following Washington’s refusal to give access to confidential documents.

“In these circumstances it was not possible to exclude with the necessary certainty that Roman Polanski had already served the sentence to which he was condemned at the time," Widmer-Schlumpf told a news conference in the capital, Bern, on Monday."

And again: if you want to talk about human rights violations on an international basis, try doing some self-analysis first; I am sure you'll find plenty of evidence in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, Central America et al...not to mention two of your closest darling allies, Saudi Arabia (1000x more repressive and radical than Iran) and Israel (self-explanatory).

 

[theOtherGeoff]

Some one who does not understand hardware keyboards at all.

While the res is kind of low the OS from waht I have seen is pretty promising and still holds true to the core of the OS.

As for the hardware keyboards RIM blackberry are the the gold standard when it comes to them. Touch screen keyboards have a lot of draw backs. One is ZERO tactile feel so you more need to look at the when typing on it. Also when the keyboard is in used on a touch screen it eats up a LOT of screen space to be used. The slider hardware gives the advantage of keeping all the screen space and still having a keyboard.

what you are seeing is the trade off of maintaining the keyboard interface, which is showing 2 major weaknesses and alluding to a 3rd.

1) no screen real estate (pixel wise)
2) weight and complexity of mechanics
3) likely a poor touch screen interface (why make touch accurate if you're not typing on it.)
4) 'promising' vs 'delivering' are always separate planes of capability.

typing: You can't argue it both ways... either you're looking at what you're typing on the screen (and you're only typing one character/word at a time), so your vision is locked on the screen anyway, or you're typing on the keyboard, and as a touch typist, you really don't need a screen at all (tactile response, remember?), so why argue that you need to see more of the screen?

MultiTasking?
Security? (removable RAM? are they encrypted?)
App Store?
GPS?
Accelerometer
Gyro?
Apps?

As far as I can tell,
- it's not a good web browser (webkit or not, the real estate will limit it, as well as the multi-touch accuracy)
- it's on the ATT network, which means it's hamstrung by the success of the iPhone (the network capacity is torqued).


Granted, if it does what RIM needs it to do (good enough browsing and a great RIM/BES experience), it will allow IT groups to continue to exclusive support of the Blackberry family... but for the average consumer, it's a 'meh' device, at a 'meh' price point.

 

[heisetax]

Android is alive & well

This is RIM's swansong, worry not...what an irrelevant piece of kit.

BLACKBERRY IS DEAD. AND SO IS ANDROID.

Blackberry is still number 1. Just because I purchased 2 Android phones from Sprint a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean that the Android OS is dead. Actually is does a very good job for those that do not want AT& &/or Apple's iPhone.

 

[Speedy2]

Read better. I've already explained that you can't compare the two they attract totally different markets.

You couldn't be more wrong. RIM has been agressively targeting home users for at least 2 years and had most of its growth in the past quarters with sales in this sector. At the same time, iPhone has made significant inroads into the small and medium business market, a turf that was firmly in the hands of Microsoft and RIM.

Their markets may not be identical but they overlap very much.

 

[dona83]

At least the Curve and Bold 9700 will still be around.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Fact: The market share of Blackberries has been constantly shrinking during the last quarters.

Fact: Based on current trends it is very likely that your statements will stop to be correct within 1 year or less.

Conclusion: You are blind towards the obvious.

Fact: RIM total volume has been increasing each quarter

Fact: RIM is not after market share.

Fact: If sales are increasing it is still good for them

Conclusion: RIM target market is still going great and growing.

Remember RIM main target is business. iPhone main target is consumers.

2 very different markets.
As for people yet again RIM and Apple are targeting 2 very different type of people. iPhone fans will never understand what people like in blackberry and why those same people do not like the iPhone for their personal phone.. Blackberry fan on the other hand understand why people like about the iPhone.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Looks like a Palm Pre to me without a nice user interface. Nothing much to see here. Move along.

 

[polaris20]

For people in the Enterprise worlds this is huge.

Meh. Can't really get excited about anything RIM does these days.

Some one who does not understand hardware keyboards at all.

While the res is kind of low the OS from waht I have seen is pretty promising and still holds true to the core of the OS.

As for the hardware keyboards RIM blackberry are the the gold standard when it comes to them. Touch screen keyboards have a lot of draw backs. One is ZERO tactile feel so you more need to look at the when typing on it. Also when the keyboard is in used on a touch screen it eats up a LOT of screen space to be used. The slider hardware gives the advantage of keeping all the screen space and still having a keyboard.

Having used various Blackberry models for awhile (Tour, Storm, Storm 2, 8830, two generations of Curves) I still prefer iOS4 and Android's virtual keyboards. While the Blackberry does indeed have the best physical keyboard, to me it's becoming more and more irrelevant these days.

This phone won't go over any better than the Storm series did, which is to say not very well.

The Blackberry is the phone they hand out to the new employee, who looks down at it disappointingly and wishes it were an iPhone or Android, yet understands (hopefully) that Blackberry devices work so well for business.

I should know; I do the handing out!

 

[TennisandMusic]

OFFICIAL HATERS:
Archipellago
Full of Fail

OFFICIAL FANBOYS:
LTD
LordVader

Does anyone else belong in this list?

Yeah..fanboys would include BRLawyer and that VivSavage, VavSalgo whatever the guys name is. He has an avatar of the windows logo being dumped in the trash haha, even though Windows 7 is apparently selling around a million copies a day. Apple rejoices when they sell 1 million macs a month.

 

[stahl7639]

Looks too much like the Palm Pre, and i know which one I'd rather choose if given the choice. WebOS is far better.

My thoughts exactly. WebOS is superior to any verison of the BlackBerry OS in almost every way. There are even some aspects of WebOS that I would LOVE to incorporate into iOS.

 

[Stella]

IMO, the phone is quite a nice design - pull out keyboard - best of both worlds - physical keyboard and touch screen.

I'd be interested to play with BB 6 - I didn't like the previous versions though.

 

[DrummerJimmyB]

Some one who does not understand hardware keyboards at all.

While the res is kind of low the OS from waht I have seen is pretty promising and still holds true to the core of the OS.

As for the hardware keyboards RIM blackberry are the the gold standard when it comes to them. Touch screen keyboards have a lot of draw backs. One is ZERO tactile feel so you more need to look at the when typing on it. Also when the keyboard is in used on a touch screen it eats up a LOT of screen space to be used. The slider hardware gives the advantage of keeping all the screen space and still having a keyboard.

Did you happen to be using a tactile keyboard for this reply??

 

[heisetax]

Physical security on something as small as a smartphone

what you are seeing is the trade off of maintaining the keyboard interface, which is showing 2 major weaknesses and alluding to a 3rd.

1) no screen real estate (pixel wise)
2) weight and complexity of mechanics
3) likely a poor touch screen interface (why make touch accurate if you're not typing on it.)
4) 'promising' vs 'delivering' are always separate planes of capability.

typing: You can't argue it both ways... either you're looking at what you're typing on the screen (and you're only typing one character/word at a time), so your vision is locked on the screen anyway, or you're typing on the keyboard, and as a touch typist, you really don't need a screen at all (tactile response, remember?), so why argue that you need to see more of the screen?

MultiTasking?
Security? (removable RAM? are they encrypted?)
App Store?
GPS?
Accelerometer
Gyro?
Apps?

As far as I can tell,
- it's not a good web browser (webkit or not, the real estate will limit it, as well as the multi-touch accuracy)
- it's on the ATT network, which means it's hamstrung by the success of the iPhone (the network capacity is torqued).


Granted, if it does what RIM needs it to do (good enough browsing and a great RIM/BES experience), it will allow IT groups to continue to exclusive support of the Blackberry family... but for the average consumer, it's a 'meh' device, at a 'meh' price point.

What's the difference in taking the whole phone or just a memory card. My pockets can hold much more than one smartphone. It seems that you can very easily lose that argument.

 

[archipellago]

I guess by that Logic Android will be supreme as well since it is rising above and beyond iOS.

Seriously why does everything turn into an Apple vs. All debate. Can't you just discuss the technology at hand!

BTW: It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that iOS is superior to the new RIM OS. Again its just targeted for a different audience.

disagree that iOS is superior to RIM OS ..or anything bar WM.

I agree they are targeted for a different audience though.

Blackberries are used by professional people, iPhones are generally used by chavvy urchins who I'd cross the street to avoid...

 

[50548]

Did you happen to be using a tactile keyboard for this reply??

Good point.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

And again: if you want to talk about human rights violations on an international basis, try doing some self-analysis first; I am sure you'll find plenty of evidence in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantánamo, Central America et al...not to mention two of your closest darling allies, Saudi Arabia (1000x more repressive and radical than Iran) and Israel (self-explanatory).

You're making a lot of assumptions about my patriotism.

 

[timerollson]

You couldn't be more wrong. RIM has been agressively targeting home users for at least 2 years and had most of its growth in the past quarters with sales in this sector. At the same time, iPhone has made significant inroads into the small and medium business market, a turf that was firmly in the hands of Microsoft and RIM.

Their markets may not be identical but they overlap very much.

Exactly. If they weren't targeting "regular" consumers, then why bother releasing the OS6 teaser that was more media based? And the announcement/press conference today continuously highlighted their "improved" media features, social networking feeds, etc.

If BB was satisfied with just being corporate, I doubt they'd have much focus on those consumer features today.

You can look at the liveblog of the event.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/live-from-rim-and-atandamp-ts-blackberry-torch-event/

 

[50548]

You're making a lot of assumptions about my patriotism.

No offense, I was just expanding on your list of "bad guys"...good choice of avatar, though.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

No offense, I was just expanding on your list of "bad guys"...good choice of avatar, though.

Say what you want about the US but just like the cops... everyone hates them until you're in trouble.

 

[3N16MA]

Yeah..fanboys would include BRLawyer and that VivSavage, VavSalgo whatever the guys name is. He has an avatar of the windows logo being dumped in the trash haha, even though Windows 7 is apparently selling around a million copies a day. Apple rejoices when they sell 1 million macs a month.

You're still all about the # sold instead of the net income. If you did not notice Apple is quickly catching up in that department without selling 1 million macs per day.

 

[reckless2k2]

This is pretty sharp. Will I buy it......nope.

RIM is definitely risking corporate market penetration from Apple and Android.