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that crap will be forgotten in two days.

It's been not even two days ago, that Macrumors featured the news about Android overtaking Apple's mobile OS, with RIM staying on top in the smartphone market.

In enterprise, Blackberries are the default choice.

Also, it's a minor thing but I always liked that leather and the quality finish on some of the Blackberries.
 
from BoyGenius Report:

We wrapped up the RIM and AT&T event with some hands on time with the just-announced though hardly-a-secret BlackBerry Torch 9800. Here are some first impressions:

  • The hardware (casing, build quality, feel) is typical RIM — it’s great. Very solid, actually a bit heavy, but a very good feel. The sliding mechanism is top notch.
  • The software is typical RIM — uninspired, old, clunky sometimes, and cluttered. Even with the new UI elements in OS 6, we experienced choppiness in the web browser, hangs navigating between screens, and a general feeling of well… claustrophobia sometimes. The simplified BlackBerry now sort of feels like too much has been added without thinking of the ramifications.
  • The keyboard is perfect — just like a Bold 9700, and it seems to not be dug in the slider mechanism, unlike the Palm Pre.
  • The internals of the BlackBerry Torch 9800 are disappointing. From the 624MHz CPU to only 512MB of RAM, to the 1300mAh battery, it has us a little worried as it feels like the hardware is pushed to the max. On a brand new phone. That’s not even out yet.
  • The screen is laughable. For a company that is always “planning three years out” they surely didn’t get the memo that a 480×360, poor, poor LCD wasn’t going to cut it in 2010. That’s the focal point of the entire device, and it makes you feel outdated out of the gate.

All in all, we came away with mixed emotions. On one hand, OS 6 is a much better UI leap from OS 5 than OS 5 was to OS 4, but it still feels a bit not thought out. On the other hand, the device seems like it will continue to excel at specific functions, mainly email, any sort of text-based messaging, etc. My personal thought so far is: this is a stop gap device for current BlackBerry users… and that’s an issue. iPhone 4 or recent Android owners won’t be lusting after the 9800, and that’s never a good thing. We have some images in our gallery for you BlackBerry fanatics to drool over!

emphasis mine.

summary. If you don't have a blackberry now, this won't sway you.
 
Exactly. If they weren't targeting "regular" consumers, then why bother releasing the OS6 teaser that was more media based? And the announcement/press conference today continuously highlighted their "improved" media features, social networking feeds, etc.

If BB was satisfied with just being corporate, I doubt they'd have much focus on those consumer features today.

You can look at the liveblog of the event.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/live-from-rim-and-atandamp-ts-blackberry-torch-event/


Simple. They can get some growth in that market but they need to grab a little in that area to protect their business market. Apple is trying to make inroads in business threw pushing threw consumers. RIM is more interested in protecting its bussiness side by making inroads into the consumer world.
 
RIM: Too little too late. I'm so happy to be rid of my Bold. I'm sure their OS 6 will be better but nothing remotely close to iOS or Android. I still think RIM will be irrelevant in five years.
 
this phone reminds me of the Samsung Reclaim on sprint.
how original of Blackberry.
im soo glad i ordered my iPhone.

come on people stop trying to beat the iPhone. nothing is better than an iPhone!
imo :apple: FTW!!
 
what the hell are you talking about? the iphone was the first ever 100% touch smartphone in great color and with multimedia as the center of the telephone.

It is not a candybar…

multimedia at the center of the phone is a good thing..?? :eek:


pity they made it so bad at being an actual phone!
 
from BoyGenius Report:

We wrapped up the RIM and AT&T event with some hands on time with the just-announced though hardly-a-secret BlackBerry Torch 9800. Here are some first impressions:

  • The hardware (casing, build quality, feel) is typical RIM — it’s great. Very solid, actually a bit heavy, but a very good feel. The sliding mechanism is top notch.
  • The software is typical RIM — uninspired, old, clunky sometimes, and cluttered. Even with the new UI elements in OS 6, we experienced choppiness in the web browser, hangs navigating between screens, and a general feeling of well… claustrophobia sometimes. The simplified BlackBerry now sort of feels like too much has been added without thinking of the ramifications.
  • The keyboard is perfect — just like a Bold 9700, and it seems to not be dug in the slider mechanism, unlike the Palm Pre.
  • The internals of the BlackBerry Torch 9800 are disappointing. From the 624MHz CPU to only 512MB of RAM, to the 1300mAh battery, it has us a little worried as it feels like the hardware is pushed to the max. On a brand new phone. That’s not even out yet.
  • The screen is laughable. For a company that is always “planning three years out” they surely didn’t get the memo that a 480×360, poor, poor LCD wasn’t going to cut it in 2010. That’s the focal point of the entire device, and it makes you feel outdated out of the gate.

All in all, we came away with mixed emotions. On one hand, OS 6 is a much better UI leap from OS 5 than OS 5 was to OS 4, but it still feels a bit not thought out. On the other hand, the device seems like it will continue to excel at specific functions, mainly email, any sort of text-based messaging, etc. My personal thought so far is: this is a stop gap device for current BlackBerry users… and that’s an issue. iPhone 4 or recent Android owners won’t be lusting after the 9800, and that’s never a good thing. We have some images in our gallery for you BlackBerry fanatics to drool over!

emphasis mine.

summary. If you don't have a blackberry now, this won't sway you.

DAMN that's harsh even for BGR.
 
this phone reminds me of the Samsung Reclaim on sprint.
how original of Blackberry.
im soo glad i ordered my iPhone.

come on people stop trying to beat the iPhone. nothing is better than an iPhone!
imo :apple: FTW!!

If it wasn't for the competition, the iPhone 4 wouldn't have the features it does now. Apple wouldn't have been pushed to do better.
 
Enterprises are increasingly adopting the iPhone due to its advanced business features in iOS 4...RIM is actually losing a lot of appeal, as its third party-based "secure" and "encrypted" services are more and more under the scrutiny of governments. BB's dependability is a great myth.

Your individual unsubstantiated rant does not herald the end of BB.
 
This is RIM's swansong, worry not...what an irrelevant piece of kit.

BLACKBERRY IS DEAD. AND SO IS ANDROID.

Far from it. Droid is a beautiful platfrom with a lot of promise.

On the demo this phone is a big step up for blackberry, but I want to see it in action. Might be slow. Either way, its not an Iphone 4 competitor.
 
If a user is deciding between and iPhone and a Blackberry - no doubt the iPhone would win.

Based on....? I have the choice - and compared them and choose a BB. Why? Because it's a better phone, it's better for messages and better for email. I have no interest in an iPhone because I don't want those features that the iPhone does infinitely better than a BB... easy choice. People on here seem to thing RIMs only customers are corporates... there are some people who genuinely prefer the phone to what else is out there.

The OS updates look interesting.. wait to see what it looks like for the 9700
 
If it wasn't for the competition, the iPhone 4 wouldn't have the features it does now. Apple wouldn't have been pushed to do better.


Apple has always been pushed to do better,
regardless of competition.
take a look back at all the previous products!
Apple has always been the trendsetter in technology!
 
Explain me why BB enterprise users need all the fancy multimedia features of an iPhone/Android? The BB is a serious phone for doing mostly 2 things - calendar/email and doesn't break easily.
 
Come on you are all a smart bunch of people. You do realize that RIM is not in the same market as the iPhone and Android. They are geared more towards enterprises who utilize BES.

Are you blind? Do you not see how many blatant rip-offs RIM has pulled straight off of iOS? They are ABSOLUTELY trying to give their phones a more touch oriented feel and since the Storm was a complete and utter FAIL, they are basically copying Android and iPhone entirely.
 
Apple has always been pushed to do better,
regardless of competition.
take a look back at all the previous products!
Apple has always been the trendsetter in technology!

Yes but sometimes they have been guilty of omitting obvious features only to release them a year later.
 
Based on....? I have the choice - and compared them and choose a BB. Why? Because it's a better phone, it's better for messages and better for email. I have no interest in an iPhone because I don't want those features that the iPhone does infinitely better than a BB... easy choice. People on here seem to thing RIMs only customers are corporates... there are some people who genuinely prefer the phone to what else is out there.

The OS updates look interesting.. wait to see what it looks like for the 9700

Forgive my iPhone bias on the MacRumors website. I spoke too generally. You are right. My point is the same as yours though. And it's ignorant for anyone to intimate that RIM is dead or will die anytime soon by using marketshare as a means of determining its fate.
 
Are you blind? Do you not see how many blatant rip-offs RIM has pulled straight off of iOS? They are ABSOLUTELY trying to give their phones a more touch oriented feel and since the Storm was a complete and utter FAIL, they are basically copying Android and iPhone entirely.

Considering BB is for serious enterprise users and most don't care about touch-screen, RIM is simply doing their existing users a favor by making it easier. They are not really in competition with Apple or Android.
 
Are you blind? Do you not see how many blatant rip-offs RIM has pulled straight off of iOS? They are ABSOLUTELY trying to give their phones a more touch oriented feel and since the Storm was a complete and utter FAIL, they are basically copying Android and iPhone entirely.

And they all copied Palm
 
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