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No. Think Blu-ray vs. a DVD encoded by your merchant, that has pop-up ads, tracking devices and loyalty programs built into it and forced ads that run for 30 minutes, before you can watch the film.

No, its not like BluRay vs. HD DVD at all.

if you're going to make an anology, especially one as ... far fetched.. I think you're going to need to explain it...

no seriously. um.. what?!
 
And it's not like they won't accept your credit card.

You are missing the reason many people like :apple: Pay: security.

Only the bank and I know my actual credit card number. Merchants get an alias card number that is useless without the one-time cryptogram that is only valid for that transaction.

For people that have had to replace their credit cards several times in the past year due to poor security at merchants, this is a big deal.
 
I fail to see how this affects the store clerk. I mean really. And how do you think the kind of change the OP is referring to actually makes it's way to the decision makers? It starts at the ground level, or the front lines--if you will.

The point is this: don't be a dick.

I have a choice not to shop there. If I know that a specific merchant doesn't support my payment method of choice, that's cool, I just won't go in. Enough people do that, then the merchant will get the message, and maybe they'll come around, and then I'll shop there again.

But if I go into the place just so I can make a scene about it, I'm being a ****.

So please don't.
 
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These are all things that should have been worked out ahead of time. What good is a system that you never know will work. You need to build confidence in a system to get people on board. Right now I've tried to use my Apple Pay 3 times and it worked 1 time.

Technically, it worked fine. Rite Aid just decided to turn it off. It's not something that you can work out ahead of time if the vendor has it's own competing service.
 
In retail, which I have done for nearly 20 years. You do not do things that are potential PR bombs. This is one of those things. Apple Pay right now is in all the news. Both in the tech space as well as retail.

Rite Aid just set off a bomb in their own laps.

What they should've done was say when Apple Pay was being rumored was that they will evaluate it and "hope to participate in the future" or something along those lines.

Now it just looks like they are purposely rejecting certain transactions.

Silly

Yes, from a PR point of view it looks bad for Rite Aid, not Apple. Not allowing at all would have been a better solution, but because Google's solution already worked, I guess they couldn't do that either...
 
It works @ CVS? They are not on the launch list.

if so i'll be using it there (already have used it at walgreens and it works great)
With all the hacks going around no need for any of these companies to get my credit card #

I just bought something at CVS and Apple Pay worked flawlessly :) :apple:
 
So if both Apple Pay and Google Wallet aren't working, does that mean they are simply disabling the NFC reader? Or are they doing something on the backend?

According to some people on this site, Apple Pay is responsible for Rite Aid's policies for NFC readers. :rolleyes:
 
I realise it's not a bug and I agree with everything you said. My point is Apple Pay didn't have enough time to be socialised, absorbed and understood within the retail industry. This decision is a reactionary one by Rite Aid and I'm sure they're not the only retailer in this position. I have no doubt that Rite Aid will eventually support Apple Pay, the user base of iPhone is just too large to ignore and whatever competition exists, it's never going to be as easy to use on the iPhone.

The argument I am making is, if Apple Pay had been announced 3-4 months earlier, it might have had enough time to gain traction and understanding before it's release. That's all.

Actually I think this is a reaction showing they are worried about Apple Pay. It has nothing to do with understanding, but the fact that all CurrentC (MCX) merchants are supposed to not use NFC for payments. Had they had 3 or 4 months to deal with it, other MCX merchants would have probably done the same thing by now. I think Rite Aid and CurrentC merchants fully understand this and are scared by it. Which they should be.
 
>because Rite Aid is a supporter of the upcoming CurrentC payments system from Merchant Customer Exchange

What I don't get is..

Why can't stores just support BOTH? Is it that hard?

because to be a member of MCX/CurrentC consortium, you are specifically forbidden from accepting other types of digital payment.

so they must have stopped accepting when they realized they were in violation of this policy.

whether they turned off NFC completely (the easy way) or they actually coded something into their POS system (the harder way, but possibly what was done since the message specifically said Apple Pay declined), they had to.

Funny that they probably were accepting Google Wallet in violation of the MCX terms all along, but didnt notice it til Apple Pay came along...

http://www.mobilecommercedaily.com/...ilot-programs-targets-2015-nationwide-rollout
Retailers participating in CurrentC are not allowed to engage in other mobile payment/marketing initiatives. That stipulation will lead to fragmentation in the US mobile payments market, as some retailers will continue to do their own thing with respect to mobile payments, and will want to maintain NFC enablement, Mr. Patel said.
 
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You fail to see how intentionally and knowingly making extra work for a store clerk affects the store clerk? How do you think all of those unpaid items get put back on the shelf?

And no, changes like this DO NOT start at the ground level. If anything, all you will accomplish is pissing off the store clerk. Do you honestly think someone who works minimum wage is going to go to bat for you with their company after you made extra work for them, just because you act self-entitled and feel like purchasing a particular smartphone gives you some right to make someone else's life difficult?

Holy cow, I can't believe I'm actually having to explain how wrong this is to someone...

They're still getting paid, aren't they? Causing extra work for them? Like overtime or working weekends or something? Working without pay? I don't understand. Heaven forbid an employee be made to work during his/her shift, right?
 
Load up a cart at the offending (non-ApplePay) merchant and go to checkout.

When they say,

"Oh, we don't support ApplePay."

You say,

"Cancel the sale. I'll shop somewhere else."

If everyone does this, merchants will quickly get the picture and throng to get on-board.

From your post it sounds like you would pick items at random to put in your cart to just fill it up. What do you plan on doing if the Apple Pay goes through for all those items in your cart? Do you plan on keeping the items or return them because they were items that you never intended to buy in the first place. Why waste a store clerks time if they have no control over corporate policy.

Might want to think that idea through a little more clearly. Another idea would send an e-mail to Rite-Aid corporate. Enough people send the threat to boycott to Rite-Aid, if they stop using Apple Pay, might be enough to reverse the decision.
 
They were working on this in secret with the banks and credit card companies for months before we heard a word about it. And many of the retail shops already have NFC capable gear and systems for use with international cards.

This rite aid thing isn't a bug. It worked and they shut it off for their own reasons

Didn't mean to suggest it was a bug. I understand the problem and the reasons behind the decision Rite Aid made.

My point is that Apple Pay is too new and too unknown and therefore a risk for retailers. I don't know how many retailers were in the loop before the official announcement, but I would assume not many. Had it been announced earlier, some of these "problems" might not have happened at launch.
 
:apple:Pay is fantastic. I know my Android phones have supported it for years, but Softcard (used to be ISIS) and American Express Serve was just complete garbage.

I've used it more in the past week then I've ever used contactless payments in my life. I'm usually using my phone anyway, so to bring it close to the terminal and just have it work is friggin glorious. Sitting on my wallet in my back pocket usually makes my butt go numb anyway.... stupid sciatic nerve.


Anyway... we don't have Rite Aid down here in Central FL, but they're very prominent back home in NY so I can't imagine this is a good idea for the business, but I'm not nearly smart enough to know what they're thinking so it's not my concern.

My concern is the fact that :apple:Pay makes my life a little easier and a little more secure (so they say) and I'm all about working smarter, not harder.
 
Load up a cart at the offending (non-ApplePay) merchant and go to checkout.

When they say,

"Oh, we don't support ApplePay."

You say,

"Cancel the sale. I'll shop somewhere else."

If everyone does this, merchants will quickly get the picture and throng to get on-board.
This post (and the 30 "likes") provides evidences that people are self-indulgent and self-absorbed... yeah, inconvenience everyone behind you in line so that you can promote Apple. :rolleyes:
 
So it makes some sense why rite aid would not allow apple pay since those customers will opt for Apple pay as opposed to using their rewards card. Rite site looses "stickiness" with their Apple pay customers.

Not really. Even now they scan the barcode on your rewards card separate from your payment. This is no different.

Starbucks is the only company I know of that has their rewards and payment via a gift card linked. Which is why I use their app (which I must preload with funds) not a credit card. If rite aid had a system like that then Apple pay might be an issue. Perhaps this MCX will provide that. But given that I must give them my credit card details I wouldn't use it unless I was assured of full fraud protection, immediate credit back with no fuss etc.
 
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They're still getting paid, aren't they? Causing extra work for them? Like overtime or working weekends or something? Working without pay? I don't understand. Heaven forbid an employee be made to work during his/her shift, right?

Wow... and people wonder why iPhone users are generally looked down upon in society for being self-entitled...

Please stop... You're not helping... You're just making the rest of us look very bad.
 
I realise it's not a bug and I agree with everything you said. My point is Apple Pay didn't have enough time to be socialised, absorbed and understood within the retail industry. This decision is a reactionary one by Rite Aid and I'm sure they're not the only retailer in this position. I have no doubt that Rite Aid will eventually support Apple Pay, the user base of iPhone is just too large to ignore and whatever competition exists, it's never going to be as easy to use on the iPhone.

The argument I am making is, if Apple Pay had been announced 3-4 months earlier, it might have had enough time to gain traction and understanding before it's release. That's all.

Or enough time to disable the readers altogether. Remember, MCX retailers are responsible for something like 20% of all US retail spending, and more could (and probably will) join based on the promise of data mining and not having to pay the 2% or so to Visa/MC for every credit card transaction.
 
Sounds like Rite Aid couldn't stomach Apple's transaction fees.

Are you willfully ignorant?

The merchant doesn't pay any additional fee to Apple. Apple's fee comes from the bank, out of their existing percentage.

To the merchant, using :apple: Pay is no different than swiping the credit card that was loaded into Passbook.
 
The issue I don't believe is if it works but rather the deal they have to make with Apple because Apple wants 0.15% of every transaction that is done through Apple Pay and not every retailer is going to be on board with that.

The retailer doesn't pay the .15%. The retailer pays the same fee that they pay for every other credit/debit purchase. Visa/MasterCard/AmEx/et al is the one paying that fee.
 
No, no they didn't. They pissed off a small handful of uppity iPhone users. It's not even going to be a blip on their radar.

You think way too much of yourself. iPhone users do not rule the world. Calm down.

When paying with your phone becomes as much a standard as paying with a credit card, you don't think the hundreds of millions of iPhone users will be a bit more than a blip on the radar?
 
First of all, in my part of the USA (Detroit, Michigan suburbs), the Rite-Aid stores are absolute *****-holes and are not kept nearly as clean as the competing Walgreens and CVS stores. Secondly, Walgreens is the only PARTNER with Apple in this whole venture, of the big three pharmacy chains. So, given those two facts, why on earth would I even consider shopping at Rite-Aid? They already have disgusting stores with rude employees, and now they won't let me show off my cool iPhone 6 Plus with ApplePay to my friends and family? Yeah, I think my business belongs to Walgreens from now on.

Furthermore, as a physician, I think I may go out of my way to recommend my patients go to Walgreens. As it stands, there is a Walgreens within walking distance of my office (unlike the other two), AND ApplePay works at that store like a charm, as I happily discovered both yesterday and today!
 
They're still getting paid, aren't they? Causing extra work for them? Like overtime or working weekends or something? Working without pay? I don't understand. Heaven forbid an employee be made to work during his/her shift, right?

Wow.

its not in the employees job description to clean up entire aisle of mess due to angry customers. For the most part, your average bagging clerk / checkout clerk is being paid minimum wage.

Your attempt at a "demonstration" is only going to make them do the extra work of having to take all those groceries you took to the register, BACK to the store shelves and restock them. Potentially reverse an entire transaction, and any responsibility that the store owner is likely to dump on their lap for you refusing the sale.

Don't be a dick. Seriously. A childish act like that isn't even targetting the right people. The Store clerk has absolutely zero say over what payment options are accepted. They're not going to be able to change anything or even help you get what you want.

If you want to voice your concern that you wish to use your payment of choice. Don't shop there, write them a letter, Complain to their sponsors / suppliers.

Being a dick isn't making a statement other than you're a petulant twit who wants to throw a temper tantrum like a 4 year old.
 
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