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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

RebelScum said:
When the precedent has been set and the new standard is XX data for XX dollars, and our ubiquitous single-player GSM provider decided to do something completely different...in this case, charge more for much much less, then yes, expecting anything less is caving.

But you're not caving. You just have it in your head what you want, which isn't what the rest of us want. You just want more minutes, because you don't plan to use the data portion of the phone. Which begs the question: Why get one in the first place? Get an HTC Touch from Bell.

Or do you just WANT one?
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I never said I did not plan on using the data portion. Quite the opposite. I said it is not the primary reason I would buy an iPhone or any smart phone. So, when I don't feel I need an unlimited data plan, that is not unreasonable.

You also have it in your head what you want. You want unlimited data, low price and lots of minutes. That is fine too, but it is what you want or think you need. No one is questioning what you would accept, why do you feel the need to belittle what other would accept, simply because it is not inline with your demands? Sort of childish.

And because I don't feel I need unlimited data, you feel I shouldn't want an iPhone? Childish and arrogant. You feel anyone not making the same demands you are making is caving. I think that is sort of retarded, but you are who you are, I suppose.
 
cere said:
And because I don't feel I need unlimited data, you feel I shouldn't want an iPhone? Childish and arrogant. You feel anyone not making the same demands you are making is caving. I think that is sort of retarded, but you are who you are, I suppose.
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Fair nuff. Far be it from a childish and arrogant person such as myself to resort to name calling tactics, but if you feel that paying more for less service is fair and settling for a billing structure for which there is no modern precedent; in other words, if you feel paying for a miniscule rationing of data and voice at a rate that may have been common in 2002, is acceptable, well, I think that's "sort of retarded", but you are who you are, I suppose.
 
RebelScum said:
Fair nuff. Far be it from a childish and arrogant person such as myself to resort to name calling tactics, but if you feel that paying more for less service is fair and settling for a billing structure for which there is no modern precedent; in other words, if you feel paying for a miniscule rationing of data and voice at a rate that may have been common in 2002, is acceptable, well, I think that's "sort of retarded", but you are who you are, I suppose.
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Again with the arguing against things that were not said. Those windmills and strawmen must get very frustrating and tiring to fight against.

I did not say I would settle for less service for more money. Again, exactly the opposite. I said I want to keep all of the features or services that I currently have and am not willing to pay more to keep them. With this simple, reasonable condition, I said that I would be willing to pay for a separate data plan that provides moderate data usage for a reasonable rate. How you manage to read the opposite of what is written is beyond me.

How about this, I argue that when you asked for a free Ferrari with every plan it was asking too much? But why would I argue this, as that would make zero sense, be confused or lying and simply make me seem like an argumentative child.
 
Fair nuff.

I s'pose it depends on what you deem "fair rates".

I guess it's whatever you deem fair.

IMHO, nothing short of unlimited is fair.

But your name calling and childish responses are too much for me man.

Enjoy setting the "It's OK, I'll pay extra for it" precedent. I thank you for keeping us all firmly rooted 3 years behind the curve.

But to put it in perspective: Rogers already has an unlimited $7 data plan for WAP. It does not apply to Smartphones, however, simply because if it did, people would actually use it. Can't have that.

So given that such a plan already exists, what would you consider a "fair rate" for data on top of your existing phone plan?
 
RebelScum said:
Fair nuff.

I s'pose it depends on what you deem "fair rates".

I guess it's whatever you deem fair.

IMHO, nothing short of unlimited is fair.

But your name calling and childish responses are too much for me man.

Enjoy setting the "It's OK, I'll pay extra for it" precedent. I thank you for keeping us all firmly rooted 3 years behind the curve.

But to put it in perspective: Rogers already has an unlimited $7 data plan for WAP. It does not apply to Smartphones, however, simply because if it did, people would actually use it. Can't have that.

So given that such a plan already exists, what would you consider a "fair rate" for data on top of your existing phone plan?
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I would completely agree that they should open their other unlimited data plans to the iPhone. I think it is ****** that they limited these to specific devices, specific apps and/or WAP sites. If they allowed the $15 or $20 'unlimited' package to be added to my existing plan, I would take this, as long as they didn't limited it to specific applications, sites or anything else data related. If they offered this for $30 I would probably go for it, again assuming no limitations on how it is used. If they offered $15-$20 for 1-2 gigs, with no limitations, I would probably do that as well. I am very well covered with Wifi at work and home, so I expect most of my data usage to be though that. I would not accept $30 extra for 400 MB, or even $20. This is why I am against their announce iPhone plans. To keep what I have and get just a moderate amount of data, would be more than 3x what my voice plan costs. An extra $70 for less than a gig of data is unreasonable.

Would I like them to do truly unlimited usage for next to nothing? Sure. Do I think I am entitled to unlimited for next to nothing? No.
 
RebelScum said:
Fair nuff.

I s'pose it depends on what you deem "fair rates".

I guess it's whatever you deem fair.

IMHO, nothing short of unlimited is fair.

But your name calling and childish responses are too much for me man.

Enjoy setting the "It's OK, I'll pay extra for it" precedent. I thank you for keeping us all firmly rooted 3 years behind the curve.

But to put it in perspective: Rogers already has an unlimited $7 data plan for WAP. It does not apply to Smartphones, however, simply because if it did, people would actually use it. Can't have that.

So given that such a plan already exists, what would you consider a "fair rate" for data on top of your existing phone plan?
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i agree with you, though i am not sure where the name calling came from. we should not settle for anything less that what is fair not by our canadian standards which have been pushed and pushed to the edge, but by international standards.

i had enough of this, i feel we need to stop rogers at all fronts. each and every service they provide needs reform.

here is my story on their cable tv ********.

i got cable for my mom so she can view the world cup. i didn't want a contract because my family doesn't watch tv. so keeping it longer makes no sense. i'd rather just pay for the high end cable to get the channels needed to watch the world cup for a month or so that i needed it.

called rogers. made sure they were clear on the no contract thing. they kept trying to sell me this and that, all with contract. i said no. they said fine. we linked up the deal, and they said they were having a promotion and will be giving me digital cable for free for a month. i said fine, but no contract.

a few months later, world cup was done. so i called to cancel the cable, the told me no. i was in a flippin CONTRACT!

i tried fighting it, but basically i had nothing to go by. thats why from that point on, i RECORD every call with these *******s on my comp. and i let them know that i am, and i make sure the rep says his name clearly and gives me his rep ID. service has been a tad better since that, but not much.
 
cere said:
I am very well covered with Wifi at work and home
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I've read several people say similar things, but it makes no sense to me. If you are at home or work, why wouldn't you be using your desk/laptop?

I have wireless in both places as well, but at least in Toronto, the availability of free wi-fi is pretty slim. The only Rogers wi-fi spots are Second Cups. So basically all my data usage would go towards Rogers' limits. I don't want to be looking for a second cup when I want to check my email.
 
There is a *ton* of free wifi in Toronto. Buckets. Lots.



Planet Telex said:
I've read several people say similar things, but it makes no sense to me. If you are at home or work, why wouldn't you be using your desk/laptop?

I have wireless in both places as well, but at least in Toronto, the availability of free wi-fi is pretty slim. The only Rogers wi-fi spots are Second Cups. So basically all my data usage would go towards Rogers' limits. I don't want to be looking for a second cup when I want to check my email.
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jonnysods said:
Does anyone know if the bottom tiered plan comes with unlimited incoming local minutes? I have 150 minutes per month with unlimited local incoming, unlimited evening and weekends etc, for a Moto Q.

Can't see that anywhere on the site....
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Just keep your current voice plan, and add one of the recent (non-iPhone but applicable) data plans, like the $50 flex plan.

I wonder how many minutes people actually use, though.
 
Planet Telex said:
I've read several people say similar things, but it makes no sense to me. If you are at home or work, why wouldn't you be using your desk/laptop?

I have wireless in both places as well, but at least in Toronto, the availability of free wi-fi is pretty slim. The only Rogers wi-fi spots are Second Cups. So basically all my data usage would go towards Rogers' limits. I don't want to be looking for a second cup when I want to check my email.
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true enough. But just as I don't always have my laptop with me when I am out, I don't always have a computer turned on or in front of me when I am at home or at work. But, these are the locations I expect to make the most use of many of the iPhone apps, simply because I am at work or home for the vast majority of my time.

I heard that in TO there was pretty good availability of free wifi. Down here in Waterloo, we have pretty good coverage If not all 'legal' hotspots, there are lots of people that leave their networks open intentionally.
 
HowEver said:
There is a *ton* of free wifi in Toronto. Buckets. Lots.
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No joke. I take my MBP out on the balcony and scan for WiFi...there are literally DOZENS of hits within seconds.

Whether they're public signals or home accounts that are not protected is another matter ;)

Doesn't HydroOne still have that city-wide blanket WiFi signal? Or is that a thing of the past?
 
cere said:
true enough. But just as I don't always have my laptop with me when I am out, I don't always have a computer turned on or in front of me when I am at home or at work. But, these are the locations I expect to make the most use of many of the iPhone apps, simply because I am at work or home for the vast majority of my time.

I heard that in TO there was pretty good availability of free wifi. Down here in Waterloo, we have pretty good coverage If not all 'legal' hotspots, there are lots of people that leave their networks open intentionally.
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This is completely off topic... but cere, you say you are in Waterloo? Where abouts in Waterloo? Are you a student? I'm over in Cambridge and am a student. If you get the iPhone, which store in the Waterloo/Kitchener/Cambridge area will you be buying it from?
 
RebelScum said:
No joke. I take my MBP out on the balcony and scan for WiFi...there are literally DOZENS of hits within seconds.

Whether they're public signals or home accounts that are not protected is another matter ;)

Doesn't HydroOne still have that city-wide blanket WiFi signal? Or is that a thing of the past?
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Yep they do, but you have to pay either monthly or buy the minute I believe.
 
mynameismatt89 said:
This is completely off topic... but cere, you say you are in Waterloo? Where abouts in Waterloo? Are you a student? I'm over in Cambridge and am a student. If you get the iPhone, which store in the Waterloo/Kitchener/Cambridge area will you be buying it from?
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Not a student. I am a software dev up here in RIM land, though not with RIM. I live about 5 minutes from the UW campus and work in one of many buildings RIM has taken over.

Will probably visit the Fido Kiosk at Fairview Park to get the iPhone.
 
The published cost of the plans is not that out of line with other providers around the world.

What you get for what you pay, the hidden charges on the plans and the setup to under/over buy on a 36 month contract is another story.

On top of the published pricing:
SAF+911+Call Display+2 Taxes

Overage charges on minutes + data +text
Usage charges for long distance
no Roll-Over on unused minutes or data

So the $60 plan becomes a $90 plan before you make a single call.

Additional minutes, text messages, long distance and data charges to take Rogers basic plan to the usage level of AT&T's basic plan will cost well over $200/month, assuming 30% LD/Roaming and exceeding the data cap by 1 Byte of data.

ie:

$90 tax and fee in basic plan from Rogers

use 450 minutes on Rogers 150 minute plan =
300 minutes x .35 = $105.00
150 minutes LD/Roaming = $53.25
plus
1 Byte Data overage = $30.00
200 Text messages = $10-20
etc, etc

Pick the wrong plan, and your a la carte 36 month plan is a backbreaker.

AT&T overages are limited to minutes used and international roaming, end of - a much easier thing to plan for at time of purchase and control after purchase.

A fixed cap data plan for an always on internet device that lacks an on/off switch for that data connection is a trap that speaks volumes about how Rogers views their customers.
 
jwdav said:
The published cost of the plans is not that out of line with other providers around the world.

What you get for what you pay, the hidden charges on the plans and the setup to under/over buy on a 36 month contract is another story.

On top of the published pricing:
SAF+911+Call Display+2 Taxes

Overage charges on minutes + data +text
Usage charges for long distance
no Roll-Over on unused minutes or data

So the $60 plan becomes a $90 plan before you make a single call.

Additional minutes, text messages, long distance and data charges to take Rogers basic plan to the usage level of AT&T's basic plan will cost well over $200/month, assuming 30% LD/Roaming and exceeding the data cap by 1 Byte of data.

ie:

$90 tax and fee in basic plan from Rogers

use 450 minutes on Rogers 150 minute plan =
300 minutes x .35 = $105.00
150 minutes LD/Roaming = $53.25
plus
1 Byte Data overage = $30.00
200 Text messages = $10-20
etc, etc

Pick the wrong plan, and your a la carte 36 month plan is a backbreaker.

AT&T overages are limited to minutes used and international roaming, end of - a much easier thing to plan for at time of purchase and control after purchase.

A fixed cap data plan for an always on internet device that lacks an on/off switch for that data connection is a trap that speaks volumes about how Rogers views their customers.
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don't forget they bill talk time by the minute
 
Actions to Take

shabbasuraj said:
thanks Rogers for nothing...this monopoly has to be ended.
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No kidding. Meantime, can we build a last of actions to take, e.g.

- Sign the petition at ruinediphone.com
- Go to your local Rogers Mobile store in your best suit and tell the manager what you think of their rates.
- Phone Apple Canada. (I did this. The customer service rep certainly gave me the impression my opinion mattered to Apple. It certainly will, if a pile of people are phoning.)
- Talk to your Apple dealer. Get them to talk to their regional Apple rep.

Readers - please add more concrete idea on what to do.

Maybe we can't change this now. But if there is a big enough stink and sales are low enough, Apple aren't going to be happy about continuing the contract with Rogers.
 
michaellinehan said:
No kidding. Meantime, can we build a last of actions to take, e.g.

- Sign the petition at ruinediphone.com
- Go to your local Rogers Mobile store in your best suit and tell the manager what you think of their rates.
- Phone Apple Canada. (I did this. The customer service rep certainly gave me the impression my opinion mattered to Apple. It certainly will, if a pile of people are phoning.)
- Talk to your Apple dealer. Get them to talk to their regional Apple rep.

Readers - please add more concrete idea on what to do.

Maybe we can't change this now. But if there is a big enough stink and sales are low enough, Apple aren't going to be happy about continuing the contract with Rogers.
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The obvious action to take is to not buy one until they change their plans and respect their customers.
 
Xyl said:
The obvious action to take is to not buy one until they change their plans and respect their customers.
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Of course most of us partaking in this thread won't be buying one now. The sad thing is that in their usual delusional mentality, Rogers will probably blame slow iPhone sales on the iPhone itself and not on their plans. (Plans that they consider great value according to their customer care replies.)
 
wouldn't it be great if apple came in and decided to compete against rogers with their own wireless service?... (ofcourse won't happen)
 
Even Netherlands starting up at $49 with 150 mins and unlimited data.

I will definitely not buy one until the rates come down and the data limits are removed. Rogers knows that they are the only game in town at the moment and the only way to get them to change their minds is to show them that there is another player involved: the customer who won't buy.
 
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