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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

RebelScum said:
No joke. I take my MBP out on the balcony and scan for WiFi...there are literally DOZENS of hits within seconds.

Whether they're public signals or home accounts that are not protected is another matter ;)
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Where do you guys that say there is a lot of wifi in TO live? I walked along Yonge from St Clair to Eglinton anf the only free spots were the 2 second cups.

Who cares about free wifi on your balcony? That's what my home wireless is for. I care about wifi when I'm are away from home/work which is where i would expect to use up the 400mb.
 
Vote with your wallets.

Don't buy an iPhone July 11.

If you buy, our complaints mean nothing and they have won. Make a statement, the iphone will still be there in a week, a month, two months from now, there's no rush.

I'm an Apple fanboi (as they call them), a mac software developer, if I can hold off then anyone can.
 
By not purchasing an iPhone on July 11th you'll do yourself and everyone a favour and in-turn get the lowered rates we all desire.

I'm sure Rogers has quotas to meet with Apple, if they don't sell what Apple expects they'll be forced to drop their prices.

Remember about the spectrum, there is a good chance AT&T will be here soon.
 
Neeko said:
By not purchasing an iPhone on July 11th you'll do yourself and everyone a favour and in-turn get the lowered rates we all desire.

I'm sure Rogers has quotas to meet with Apple, if they don't sell what Apple expects they'll be forced to drop their prices.

Remember about the spectrum, there is a good chance AT&T will be here soon.
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Id pay the 70/month for the ATT deal in a second. 450 minutes + unlimited data...what more could I ask for?
 
Neeko said:
Remember about the spectrum, there is a good chance AT&T will be here soon.
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Not unless foreign ownership rules change, but there have been talks about changing that apparently.

Our best chance to see the iPhone on another network in Canada is on a new provider like Globalive which is doing really well in the auction. The only problem is that the auction is for AWS which the iPhone 3G doesn't support. So we will have to wait for the next iPhone model.
 
Here's a new article about the plans and protests.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hrW8O-ZH_9Ldy8TYpXXzPgPrcmjg

On Wednesday, Rogers said the rates it announced last week for the iPhone won't change, but repeated there were other price plans available.

Thousands of unhappy Canadians have responded to Rogers' rate plans in an online petition on the website RuinediPhone.com. More than 26,000 people had signed the petition as of Wednesday.

However Segan said companies don't respond to petitions.

"If Canadians don't pick up iPhones and instead all go for the BlackBerry Bold, and it's coming out before the end of the summer, or they all go over to Telus and pick up Samsung's Instinct, then you bet Rogers will rethink their plan prices and terms," he said.

"But it's only going to change if Canadians vote with their wallets."

Rogers' spokeswoman Liz Hamilton said consumers can decide what's best for them.

Hamilton said consumers can pay $30 a month for a lower-use data plan to $100 for six gigabytes, which she noted is for heavy use such things as streaming video.

"They don't have to take the value packs. They don't have to take the plans. They can use our existing smartphone and data plans if they want to," she said.

The iPhone has already been on sale in the United States for year exclusively though AT&T. The lowest monthly rate for the iPhone in the United States will be about US$70 a month, including $30 a month for unlimited 3G data.

In 1995, Rogers bowed to complaints from cable TV customers and revised the way it planned to charge for seven new specialty channels.

Customers were furious about the so-called negative-option billing - unless customers told Rogers they didn't want the channels, they would have been automatically be billed for them.

...

Research Capital Corp. analyst Nick Agostino said it's a "take it or leave it" deal from Rogers, but added Rogers may be willing to lower prices if early sales are below par.

"If it looks like looks like things are sluggish and people are resistant to pricing then, certainly, I think they could certainly step in and lower pricing," Agostino said

Telecom analyst Roberta Fox said most Canadian businesses and consumers want to have unlimited or flat-rate defined plans.

They're "very uncomfortable" with having plans based on their use for data because they don't know what their bills will consistently be, said Fox of the Fox Group Inc. in Mount Albert, Ont.
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So it looks like Rogers won't budge unless we all vote with our wallets and refuse to sign away our souls for 3 years on a crappy deal.
 
Got this today from Rogers.

My response was, If other countries have unlimited plans, who made you the leader into thinking how much web surfing i truly do????


Dear XXXX XXXX,


Thank you for taking the time to write to us, we appreciate your use of
online customer service.

In your recent email, you have informed us that you do not agree with
the cost of our price plan for the iPhone.

Each carrier has a different pricing strategy. Rogers has designed a
pricing structure that offers high-value, flexible voice and data
packages so that Canadians can make the most of their iPhone 3G
experience. Based on reports that the average usage for the first
generation iPhone was less than 100MB per month, our iPhone 3G plans
more than accommodate the vast majority of customers. Rogers and Fido
customers get 4 times the data on our $60 entry level plan (400 MB) and
20 times the data on our most comprehensive plan.

We appreciate your continuing patronage. Please contact us at your
convenience if you have any further inquiries.

For future email correspondence with respect to this e-mail, please
quote reference number 39016173

Regards,
Vanessa S.
Rogers Online Customer Service
http://www.rogers.com
 
adam1185 said:
So it looks like Rogers won't budge unless we all vote with our wallets and refuse to sign away our souls for 3 years on a crappy deal.
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Of course they won't change things based on a petition. It's not democracy for gods sake... it's capitalism. That's how things work! Duh! So the answer is simple. Don't buy one! Don't do it! If people don't buy it, the prices will change. No question. That's not to say the petition is useless. It's great from a PR point of view. It's been getting Rogers a lot of negative press. But they... like any company... could care less about that as long as people keep buying.
 
PumaGuy said:
Yeah, I kinda knew that before I posted that... If you look at the previous posts you will see the people who contacted this guy and got a pretty legit response.



I was merely posting a clarifying message to anyone who still thought it was Rogers.

Puma
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That is not the iphonerogerswireless email?
 
I'm still debating it...as I'm now 30 and haven't yet bought a cell phone. I'm now realizing I can't delay it anymore (especially as I need it for work). As a result I think I may end up getting one and either sticking to voice only (no visual voicemail, no data) or if I can't get a 1 year plan...buying and cancelling then signing up for a 1 year family plan with my wife (I realise I'd have to pay the 400$ fee but that's the same as AT&T is selling it for in the US. As my issue is with data costs the answer is simple...I won't subscribe and Roger's won't get my 1080$ over a 3 year term. Once the wireless auction ends/apple introduces a CDMA model/some other thing to drop costs occurs I may add data. The phone is the loss leader for them, their money is tied to the plans. If you don;t like it don't sign up for it.
 
Rogers said:
…Rogers has designed a pricing structure that offers high-value, flexible
voice and data packages so that Canadians can make the most of their
iPhone 3G experience…
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Again with the marketing spin. High Value? Compared to what? According
to who? I don't think it's Rogers place to say. Consumers reaction is usually
the best measure of an offering's value. So far, the opinion is that their offer
is of poor value. We'll have a true answer when the iPhone goes on sale.

Don't get me started on the bogus flexibility argument. "Flexibility" is a
PR word that usually means "Stripped down basic package of poor value
but with a nice price to quote. Pay more to get all the bells and whistle".
Microsoft often use the words flexibility (or "choice") to justify all the
different Windows versions.

Rogers said:
…Based on reports that the average usage for the first generation
iPhone was less than 100MB per month, our iPhone 3G plans
more than accommodate the vast majority of customers…
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They see this as an argument to offer little data. I see it as the perfect reason why
they should have offered unlimited data. Am I the only one?

OK. Enough with my rant. :D I'll keep an eye on the spectrum auction. With a little
(a lot?) luck, we'll be offered a better deal in a year or two.
 
srobert said:
They see this as an argument to offer little data. I see it as the perfect reason why
they should have offered unlimited data. Am I the only one?
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This is exactly what I don't understand about Rogers. If the average amount of data transferred is 100MB, then why don't they just make it unlimited? Just simply making the data unlimited will probably get them 10x the number of iPhone customers that they would be getting with these current crappy plans, but it will not congest their system because - as they state - on average it will only be 100MB per person. They won't be collecting overage charges, but the increase in subscribers will generate many many more times the revenue than overage charges incurred by a select few.

So there can be only two reasons for them not to see this: a) they're actually lying about average data use, or b) they're stupid

Probably a bit of both.
 
Planet Telex said:
Where do you guys that say there is a lot of wifi in TO live? I walked along Yonge from St Clair to Eglinton anf the only free spots were the 2 second cups.

Who cares about free wifi on your balcony? That's what my home wireless is for. I care about wifi when I'm are away from home/work which is where i would expect to use up the 400mb.
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yonge/bloor-ish. Not that that's important. I get "free" WiFi pretty much anywhere in the city. Anyone can...just scan for an open signal and latch on to it. As I said...whether it's a public signal or a private home-based wireless NW that someone has forgotten to encrypt is up in the air.

I don't check. I just surf.
 
Garemz said:
Got this today from Rogers.

<snip>Based on reports that the average usage for the first
generation iPhone was less than 100MB per month, our iPhone 3G plans
more than accommodate the vast majority of customers.
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Which begs the question, if average use really was 100MB, in a country that offered unlimited data packages, why on earth would Rogers not just offer unlimited data here?

*Rhetorical question ... the whole company was built on convoluted, byzantine plans and not respecting customers ...
 
Rogers Site Down

It's 2:30 AM EDT on Thurs July 3, and the Rogers Site is down.

If they're making changes to their plans, I'll be floored.
 
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