Hooz Aboot you don't feed the trolls, eh?
hehe, JK
MATT: Welcome to the forum, my American brother. Please...don't shoot.
O ya...Rogers is terrible in every sense.
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Hooz Aboot you don't feed the trolls, eh?
hehe, JK
MATT: Welcome to the forum, my American brother. Please...don't shoot.
O ya...Rogers is terrible in every sense.
INstinct's browser isn't WAP, it's full-on HTML. Cursory glance tells me that there's no real reason Opera Mobile shouldn't work on it.
Bell's $10/mo Data plan isn't restricted, as Rogers' "vision" plan is. Bell makes no distinction between WAP data and HTML. The only reason most people make that confusion is that most Bell phones only have WAP browsers (HTCT is an exception.)
The $10/mo data fee only applies to non-smart phones, as per Bell's description thereof, which is simply, any phone with data browsing and a physical keyboard (a-la Treo or Blackberry). Neither the HTCT nor the Sammy Instinct have one...therefore, they apply. Pretty groovy
Hooz Aboot you don't feed the trolls, eh?
hehe, JK
MATT: Welcome to the forum, my American brother. Please...don't shoot.
O ya...Rogers is terrible in every sense.
I'm offended at being referred to as a troll LOL
Not really sure where I heard the mounty term, but its been around for awhile...
I'm offended at being referred to as a troll LOL
Not really sure where I heard the mounty term, but its been around for awhile...
Mountie = RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police).
Levels are:
Municipal (your local city's finest)
Provincial (your basic state trooper but with a moustache and a funny accent)
Federal (Our glorious RCMP, who, ironically, don't ride horses.)
Then there's JTF2 and the SERTs, either of whom would likely tear a Navy SEAL a new ****** in a fair fight
But shhhh...they don't exist.The only thing any of those 5 branches of police have in common? None of them can afford a 3G iPhone through Rogers.
Thanks. It's so hard to say no to Telus now. I just got out of a contract with them and they're offering me the same $30/month for unlimited data for only $15, the same promotion they said they offered for a brief period during christmas-time. They offered this to me after I told them I'd be getting an iPhone (this was BEFORE the robbers announcement...).
I wanted to cancel my contract!.. my cancellation fee is 425 lol..
Plus Apple better help us here.. if they dont the Samsung phone and the Blackberry BOLD will take over Canada
lol..Plus Apple better help us here.. if they dont the Samsung phone and the Blackberry BOLD will take over Canada
The following is a letter I wrote to everyone above. If you feel the same as I do, please feel free to copy/paste it and send directly to these people's inboxes.
_____________________________________________________
SUBJ: An exercise in futility
To all recipients:
I am sure that this e-mail will only prove to be an example of time best spent elsewise, but my feelings on the subject of the new data and voice pricing for the Apple iPhone 3G are too strong for me to not at least write an e-mail.
First off, please note that while I will likely be buying an iPhone on July 11, I will NOT be signing up for an iPhone data plan. It is my full intention to keep my existing Rogers plan and disable the data feature on my iPhone and access the internet exclusively via WiFi, as is my right and as is well within the design specs of the iPhone itself. I am well aware that I may have to sign up for a Rogers iPhone plan, but I will be rolling that back to my existing $20/mo plan, which includes call display, as soon as I get back to my office, and will happily eat the $50 service charge, which I will chalk up to "acceptable losses" if it keeps me from being forced to meter my time and data as your wholly terribly plans will force me to do otherwise. As I understand it, this course of action is well within my rights according to the terms and conditions of the iPhone UA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
The rates you have set forth are an embarrassment and a fine example of price gouging in its worst form. Ms. Hamilton's "It could be worse, look at France" argument (http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/27/rogers.defends.iphone.data/) holds little value for me, as it has been clearly established in the local wireless landscape that unlimited data rates for a reasonable price are not only viable, they are the norm. AT&T is of course the prime example, but closer to home, your prime competitors are stepping up to the plate and offering full, unlimited data for as little as $10/month (a recent increase from $7/mo, which includes a grandfather clause allowing anyone already on the system to keep that rate). This isn't WAP data...this is full, EVDO REV-A 3G-speed rich HTML internet data. The WAP distinction comes from the fact that, until recently, the only devices available were saddled with WAP-only browsers...but of course, this you already know. I'm sure you also know that you, too, have a $7 unlimited data plan that applies exclusively to the "vision" plan, and is only available on handsets for which surfing the WEB is such an incomparably painful experience that I'm sure anyone who pays for it rarely uses it for anything beyond that the phone itself is exclusively designed to do; that being, video conference calling.
I want to know how you can justify putting a cap of any kind on a monthly data plan, especially at such a high cost, when the precedent has existed for well long enough that unlimited data for $7 - $10 is a viable option.
Before you ask why I don't just jump ship and sign up with them, I should explain that I still have a good amount of time left on my ludicrous 3-year Rogers contract, and to buy it out would likely cost me more than staying, considering what I'm currently paying per month.
But that doesn't mean I have to pay your ridiculous fees.
I'll be buying an iPhone because I want one, but as I said before, you will likely not see a dime from me for data, save the $50 "Downgrade Fee" (which is an obvious ploy to gouge as much out of your customers as possible because your terrible pricing is forcing them to do the same as I am).
It's enraging to think that I have to go through additional steps to avoid gouging on a device that was designed to "put the internet in (my) pocket." But that's Rogers' MO. Make things as expensive and as difficult as possible for the consumer, and when you've pocketed as much money as you can squeeze out of your monopolized consumer base, give the man in charge a medal for his efforts. (http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=630029)
For now, I'll just enjoy my iPhone as a phone only, plus WiFi access that works just fine, until such time as Rogers decides to join its competitors and come up with a plan that doesn't treat its customers like a national commodity.
I look forward to your standard form letter indicating you have read not a single word of the above.
With deep disappointment,
(my signature).
To all recipients:
I am sure that this e-mail will only prove to be an example of time best spent elsewise, but my feelings on the subject of the new data and voice pricing for the Apple iPhone 3G are too strong for me to not at least write an e-mail.
First off, please note that while I will likely be buying an iPhone on July 11, I will NOT be signing up for an iPhone data plan. It is my full intention to keep my existing Rogers plan and disable the data feature on my iPhone and access the internet exclusively via WiFi, as is my right and as is well within the design specs of the iPhone itself. I am well aware that I may have to sign up for a Rogers iPhone plan, but I will be rolling that back to my existing $20/mo plan, which includes call display, as soon as I get back to my office, and will happily eat the $50 service charge, which I will chalk up to "acceptable losses" if it keeps me from being forced to meter my time and data as your wholly terribly plans will force me to do otherwise. As I understand it, this course of action is well within my rights according to the terms and conditions of the iPhone UA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
The rates you have set forth are an embarrassment and a fine example of price gouging in its worst form. Ms. Hamilton's "It could be worse, look at France" argument (http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/27/rogers.defends.iphone.data/) holds little value for me, as it has been clearly established in the local wireless landscape that unlimited data rates for a reasonable price are not only viable, they are the norm. AT&T is of course the prime example, but closer to home, your prime competitors are stepping up to the plate and offering full, unlimited data for as little as $10/month (a recent increase from $7/mo, which includes a grandfather clause allowing anyone already on the system to keep that rate). This isn't WAP data...this is full, EVDO REV-A 3G-speed rich HTML internet data. The WAP distinction comes from the fact that, until recently, the only devices available were saddled with WAP-only browsers...but of course, this you already know. I'm sure you also know that you, too, have a $7 unlimited data plan that applies exclusively to the "vision" plan, and is only available on handsets for which surfing the WEB is such an incomparably painful experience that I'm sure anyone who pays for it rarely uses it for anything beyond that the phone itself is exclusively designed to do; that being, video conference calling.
I want to know how you can justify putting a cap of any kind on a monthly data plan, especially at such a high cost, when the precedent has existed for well long enough that unlimited data for $7 - $10 is a viable option.
Before you ask why I don't just jump ship and sign up with them, I should explain that I still have a good amount of time left on my ludicrous 3-year Rogers contract, and to buy it out would likely cost me more than staying, considering what I'm currently paying per month.
But that doesn't mean I have to pay your ridiculous fees.
I'll be buying an iPhone because I want one, but as I said before, you will likely not see a dime from me for data, save the $50 "Downgrade Fee" (which is an obvious ploy to gouge as much out of your customers as possible because your terrible pricing is forcing them to do the same as I am).
It's enraging to think that I have to go through additional steps to avoid gouging on a device that was designed to "put the internet in (my) pocket." But that's Rogers' MO. Make things as expensive and as difficult as possible for the consumer, and when you've pocketed as much money as you can squeeze out of your monopolized consumer base, give the man in charge a medal for his efforts. (http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=630029)
For now, I'll just enjoy my iPhone as a phone only, plus WiFi access that works just fine, until such time as Rogers decides to join its competitors and come up with a plan that doesn't treat its customers like a national commodity.
I look forward to your standard form letter indicating you have read not a single word of the above.
With deep disappointment,
(my signature).
She Probably has a folder that say's "customer spam" with a rule to Delete at the end of each day
Bitching worked in Sweden!
Looks like sweden tried to pull a Robbers, with really bad plans and low data (the lowest plan had only 100 *megs* of data!)
Well, people really bitched and now you can pick any standard voice plan and add unlimited data for $33 a month!
Here's the details:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/14639/
http://www.iphonebuzz.com/telia-son...ns-in-response-to-customer-outrage-042837.php
This is exactly the example Robbers should follow. Just let people pick whatever plans you offer for voice and add unlimited data for about $30. If I was in Sweden, I would be satisfied with this change. It keeps things simple and no one has to watch their data. Please do the same thing!
Looks like sweden tried to pull a Robbers, with really bad plans and low data (the lowest plan had only 100 *megs* of data!)
Well, people really bitched and now you can pick any standard voice plan and add unlimited data for $33 a month!
Here's the details:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/14639/
http://www.iphonebuzz.com/telia-son...ns-in-response-to-customer-outrage-042837.php
This is exactly the example Robbers should follow. Just let people pick whatever plans you offer for voice and add unlimited data for about $30. If I was in Sweden, I would be satisfied with this change. It keeps things simple and no one has to watch their data. Please do the same thing!
If she was on an iPhone data plan and paying her own bill, she would be screaming about overages!
Is Steve Job's email steve@apple.com? I can't remember... anyways I sent the email to the Rogers "execs" and hopefully we'll see some sort of change before or shortly after the release.
Good letter. I would tweak it a bit to lessen the emphasis on the pricing and focus more on the crippling of the User Experience, that is full unrestricted use of the iPhone platform. If you get into a discussion of prices being too high, its easy for them to counter that with talk about their investment in 3G infrastructure etc.
I gave specific examples such as the MobileMe service which is different than their outdated stats of how many emails you can send/receive and how many web pages you can view.
I sent them several letters and what I summarized it with was
Apple tells us all the wonderful things we can do with the iPhone. Rogers tells us all the wonderful things we cannot do with the iPhone.
I gave specific examples such as the MobileMe service which is different than their outdated stats of how many emails you can send/receive and how many web pages you can view.
I sent them several letters and what I summarized it with was
Apple tells us all the wonderful things we can do with the iPhone. Rogers tells us all the wonderful things we cannot do with the iPhone.
REsponse to my E-mail:
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MY RESPONSE back:
Elizabeth Hamilton to me
show details 6:23 AM (3 hours ago)
Mr. XXXXX,
Thanks for your email. Are you aware that existing customers have options to carry through their plans, or you can choose from voice and smartphone data plans in market today? You do not need to take the iPhone bundles if you want to purchase the iPhone.
Regards, Liz
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Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
show details 6:23 AM (3 hours ago)
Mr. XXXXX,
Thanks for your email. Are you aware that existing customers have options to carry through their plans, or you can choose from voice and smartphone data plans in market today? You do not need to take the iPhone bundles if you want to purchase the iPhone.
Regards, Liz
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Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
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MY RESPONSE back:
Ms Hamilton
Thanks for your quick response. I'm sure that you're fairly inundated
with e-mails.
A couple of questions:
a) How will carrying my plan through affect the pricing on my iPhone?
(I qualify for a hardware upgrade). Will I be forced to pay more than
$299 for my 16gb iPhone? If the difference is any more than $50 (cost
of the rollback), it makes much more sense for me to sign up for the
iPhone plan and roll my features back. Again, if that's the case:
typical Rogers hassle
b) Are you aware that , while carry-through of my plan is appreciated,
this does not make up for the fact that Rogers is effectively
crippling the core functionality for which the iPhone was intended? I
assume that many of its unique features will not work on anything but
an iPlan, and data (while I have no intention of using it, because I
can get it for free OTA) will be prohibitively expensive.
c) As far as I can tell, Rogers is the only carrier that would rather
offer people an alternative that is not designed for a particular
handset than a fair rate plan that takes advantage of all its
features. Why is that?
d) Why doesn't Rogers just follow suit like the rest of the suppliers
in this country and offer its $7 "Vision" data plan? That is an
extremely competitive plan (although Rogers has decided for some
reason that it should apply to only certain sites and only through
Rogers' on-device browser...that, of course, would have to go.) Data
is data...why offer it unlimited for one device but severely cap it
for another? The answer is obvious, of course: You only offer it on
a device on which actually using it is extremely impractical and
therefore not likely to be used at all.
Rationing and hoarding of data in this manner makes me feel a little
like Winston Smith, standing in line for my Gin and cubes of pink meat
stew, all the while wondering if there's something bigger and better
outside these gray walls. The internet is and always has been a free
medium. Gouging people for the right to access it shouldn't be
allowed. It's well beyond time that Ted started listening to the
wants and needs of his customers, and not just the ones who want to
give him Entrepreneur of the Year awards.
I have to ask again, because it was completely ignored the first time
around: I want to know how you can justify putting a cap of any kind
on a monthly data plan, especially at such a high cost, when the
precedent has existed for well long enough that unlimited data for $7
- $10 is a viable option.
I look forward to your response.
Thanks for your quick response. I'm sure that you're fairly inundated
with e-mails.
A couple of questions:
a) How will carrying my plan through affect the pricing on my iPhone?
(I qualify for a hardware upgrade). Will I be forced to pay more than
$299 for my 16gb iPhone? If the difference is any more than $50 (cost
of the rollback), it makes much more sense for me to sign up for the
iPhone plan and roll my features back. Again, if that's the case:
typical Rogers hassle
b) Are you aware that , while carry-through of my plan is appreciated,
this does not make up for the fact that Rogers is effectively
crippling the core functionality for which the iPhone was intended? I
assume that many of its unique features will not work on anything but
an iPlan, and data (while I have no intention of using it, because I
can get it for free OTA) will be prohibitively expensive.
c) As far as I can tell, Rogers is the only carrier that would rather
offer people an alternative that is not designed for a particular
handset than a fair rate plan that takes advantage of all its
features. Why is that?
d) Why doesn't Rogers just follow suit like the rest of the suppliers
in this country and offer its $7 "Vision" data plan? That is an
extremely competitive plan (although Rogers has decided for some
reason that it should apply to only certain sites and only through
Rogers' on-device browser...that, of course, would have to go.) Data
is data...why offer it unlimited for one device but severely cap it
for another? The answer is obvious, of course: You only offer it on
a device on which actually using it is extremely impractical and
therefore not likely to be used at all.
Rationing and hoarding of data in this manner makes me feel a little
like Winston Smith, standing in line for my Gin and cubes of pink meat
stew, all the while wondering if there's something bigger and better
outside these gray walls. The internet is and always has been a free
medium. Gouging people for the right to access it shouldn't be
allowed. It's well beyond time that Ted started listening to the
wants and needs of his customers, and not just the ones who want to
give him Entrepreneur of the Year awards.
I have to ask again, because it was completely ignored the first time
around: I want to know how you can justify putting a cap of any kind
on a monthly data plan, especially at such a high cost, when the
precedent has existed for well long enough that unlimited data for $7
- $10 is a viable option.
I look forward to your response.
fantastic response to her auto-reply. i had of nuff of der ****. just don't buy the iphone or any other rogers product. boycott time yo.
The separate data plans that existing customers can add to their current voice plans include unlimited email "from one of the following supported domains: Windows Live E-mail (Hotmail, Live, MSN), Yahoo.ca, Yahoo.com, Gmail, Sympatico, Videotron, Rogers Yahoo, Telus, Shaw and Cogeco."
That'll help quite a bit in stretching out the bucket of limits that Rogers is so graciously bestowing upon us peons. Not perfect, of course not. Not even close. But until Rogers reacts to Telus and Bell (which will happen if enough people boycott), it's still a slight improvement from data rates even a month ago.
That'll help quite a bit in stretching out the bucket of limits that Rogers is so graciously bestowing upon us peons. Not perfect, of course not. Not even close. But until Rogers reacts to Telus and Bell (which will happen if enough people boycott), it's still a slight improvement from data rates even a month ago.
yes indeed, what a load of CRAP!
The fact of the matter is an unlimited data plan is needed, otherwise, people will have outrageous monthly bills for data overages.
BOYCOTT ROGERS!
http://getthefactsonrogersiphone.com/
its almost as if they really don't get it, and are just assuming that the information was just not clear enough.
<scenario at rogers: dick and jane at the coffee machine>
<dick> remind me to get someone to make the info on the website more clear
<jane> why?
<dick> oh i've been getting a lot of emails complaints about how confusing it is.
i seriously believe these *******s are so out of touch that they just don't 'get it'
Are these among the plans that are available for the iPhone? They are still crap. The pages says WinMo only. Also, is it really limited to only a single email email account from those domains? Besides that fact that many people have multiple email addressed, they don't even include me.com.
The page was linked to from the iPhone page, so yes they'll apply to the iPhone. They also mirror what the Fido rep told me last night. It's just a case of Rogers getting off their asses and updating the page already.