Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

[Raid]

Can you provide a source for that? I asked in the Toronto Apple Store and they said they would have them on July 11th (this was when it was first announced to be coming on July 11th)

If you go to the Apple Canada iPhone Page, and click where to buy, Apples own website lists only Rogers and Fido locations. I doesn't mention sales at Apple stores anywhere.

The Apple stores will probably have display models, but I doubt that Apple Retail wants to torture themselves filling out Rogers contract froms for every single iPhone transaction.

 

[nateco]

Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 to have access to all of the iPhone's features, including hidden fees (although with very little minutes/data):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?

how's this

 

[Infinitygraphix]

Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 to have access to all of the iPhone's features, including hidden fees (although with very little minutes/data):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?

Well.. you miss the taxes (federal 5 % + provincial (7-9 % ??)) (provincial taxes is 7,5 % here in Quebec) and most people incule caller ID too...

witch get to the 90 $

 

[colemanj4]

Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 to have access to all of the iPhone's features, including hidden fees (although with very little minutes/data):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?

Tax... which in Ontario is 13% so it comes to (from your 74.75 amount) $84.13

 

[slicecom]

Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 a month once you including all the hidden fees (I consider call display a necessary feature to fully appreciate the iPhone):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?

Yeah, tax.

 

[colemanj4]

If you go to the Apple Canada iPhone Page, and click where to buy, Apples own website lists only Rogers and Fido locations. I doesn't mention sales at Apple stores anywhere.

The Apple stores will probably have display models, but I doubt that Apple Retail wants to torture themselves filling out Rogers contract froms for every single iPhone transaction.

Hmm... I didn't realize it was always listed like that. Apparently Apple Reps in Canada are just as unhelpful as Rogers Reps.

In the US do they not have to fill out ATT contracts?

 

[srobert]

Well.. you miss the taxes (federal 5 % + provincial (7-9 % ??)) (provincial taxes is 7,5 % here in Quebec) and most people incule caller ID too...

witch get to the 90 $

Indeed, I forgot about taxes but Roger's can hardly be blamed for this. Or can they?

The $85 figure sounds spot on when you include taxes.

Edit1: about the 2nd bullet, I would delete the words "basic features like". For that price we only get caller ID.

Edit2: 3rd buttle from bottom, I would replace "will" with "could".

That's all I had to say. Good work. You should submit your fact sheet to ruinediphone.com once it's complete. They might want to host it.

 

[colemanj4]

Indeed, I forgot about taxes but Roger's can hardly be blamed for this. Or can they?

The $85 figure sounds spot on when you include taxes.

No... I guess they can't... but I personally think that anything listed as a set price / time period (or even all prices) should be tax included. If I have 5.50 I shouldn't need to figure out in my head if I can get the 4.99 item I want with cash or need to use interac

 

[cere]

If you go to the Apple Canada iPhone Page, and click where to buy, Apples own website lists only Rogers and Fido locations. I doesn't mention sales at Apple stores anywhere.

The Apple stores will probably have display models, but I doubt that Apple Retail wants to torture themselves filling out Rogers contract froms for every single iPhone transaction.

According to this CBC article, Apple will be selling iPhone 3G at their store in almost every other country, even those that only have a single store.

While it true the Apple Canada website only ever mentioned Rogers and Fido, that doesn't mean they never intended to sell at their own stores, though it might. It is interesting that Canada is being treated differently, in terms of the iPhone being not sold in Apple Stores, than the rest of the world.
Edit: Apple's UK site does not mention the Apple Stores in their Where to Buy link either, but it will apparently be available at those locations. So, just because Apple Store are not mentioned on the web site does not mean they were not planning on selling them there in Canada. Certainly, they appear to be planning to do so any longer.

 

[skorpien]

No... I guess they can't... but I personally think that anything listed as a set price / time period (or even all prices) should be tax included. If I have 5.50 I shouldn't need to figure out in my head if I can get the 4.99 item I want with cash or need to use interac

The only problem with your argument is that it only works on a provincial level. Not all provinces/territories have the same sales tax. Alberta only has 5% GST and no PST. So for a national company like Rogers, that would mean that they'd need to list the prices for every single province and territory on their site and in advertisements. IMO it's much easier to calculate the tax in your head. Even if it's 13%, just calculate 15% and you'll have some change left if you pay by cash. Either that or hopefully all provinces will abolish PST, and then the prices can be set to include GST easily (but I don't see that happening anytime soon).

 

[colemanj4]

The only problem with your argument is that it only works on a provincial level. Not all provinces/territories have the same sales tax. Alberta only has 5% GST and no PST. So for a national company like Rogers, that would mean that they'd need to list the prices for every single province and territory on their site and in advertisements. IMO it's much easier to calculate the tax in your head. Even if it's 13%, just calculate 15% and you'll have some change left if you pay by cash. Either that or hopefully all provinces will abolish PST, and then the prices can be set to include GST easily (but I don't see that happening anytime soon).

When I go to the Rogers site I have to choose that I am in Ontario anyway...

 

[PhineasPoe]

(double post)

 

[PhineasPoe]

how's this

1. I would exclude tax from the document as tax is not included in any quoted price in canada.

2. I would spell out applications (instead of apps) with the exception of the app store (which is a proper name). Avoid abbreviations and euphemisms where possible if you want it to sound more professional. Point 3 and 4 could be combined with point 4 maybe bolded or italics?

 

[Peruchito]

Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 a month once you including all the hidden fees (I consider call display a necessary feature to fully appreciate the iPhone):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?

no but i think they wanted it to be equal to what is standard everywhere else.

so you need to add unlimited incoming calls because its common sense in the rest of the world that you shouldn't have to pay when you don't make the call. BUT i can't find that option anywhere. i know fido has it.

and lets not forget its per minute billing. the rest of the civilized... and uncivilized world does per second billing. i had the same priced deal on rogers then fido. in fido, my minutes lasted longer.

 

[srobert]

I made me this little chart to help me figure out how much the plans would really cost me. I have added other provinces for your benefit.

 

[nateco]

any better

 

[mynameismatt89]

no but i think they wanted it to be equal to what is standard everywhere else.

so you need to add unlimited incoming calls because its common sense in the rest of the world that you shouldn't have to pay when you don't make the call. BUT i can't find that option anywhere. i know fido has it.

and lets not forget its per minute billing. the rest of the civilized... and uncivilized world does per second billing. i had the same priced deal on rogers then fido. in fido, my minutes lasted longer.

Yes, Fido seems to be the best option for me, and for most others I would say? I couldn't imagine anyone picking Rogers over Fido... their plans are so similar except for the per second billing which Fido has (right?). I think the 30 dollar free incoming calls plan is going to suit me just fine. Maybe the 15 dollar Value Pack as well.

 

[mwickens]

According to this CBC article, Apple will be selling iPhone 3G at their store in almost every other country, even those that only have a single store.

The CBC has corrected its story. It now reads:

"Apple has a number of stores in the United Kingdom, seven in Japan and one each in Italy and Australia. It is unclear whether they will be selling the iPhone."

 

[Peruchito]

any better

don't forget per minute billing. i think any other provider in the world (guessing) charges per second.

and incoming calls are free in most place in the world. canada, no.

 

[Yvan256]

any better

Some punctuation errors, missing space after bullets, text not aligned as bullet paragraphs, Rogers logo not centered in the white area, Apple logo not horizontally centered at the bottom and iPhone is spelled iphone in at least one place.

I would also rephrase some things to sound less like attacks and more like facts. For example, Rogers don't "rob" anyone, people sign up for contracts willingly. Instead, I would put "The truth about Rogers' iPhone and how much it will really cost you every month for 36 months" as the header of the flyer.

Also, such a graphic should be GIF or PNG, not JPEG. But anyway that thing should be a PDF for trouble-free printing and better text readability.

I would also drop the red background if your goal is to have people print these and hand them out at Rogers stores. Nobody will want to spend dozens of dollars on a background color for flyers printed on home inkjet printers (or even laser).

The goal is to look professional and informative. Put the average per day for data, voice and messages. Some people need to have numbers shown to them up front, i.e. "average of 5 minutes of talk per day" instead of "150 minutes of talk per month". Also write the totals for 36 months, ex: (75$ + taxes) x 36 months.

I would also add charts from other countries to demonstrate how much Rogers is charging compared to other carriers in other countries.

I would also add numbers to the Google Maps, IM usage, etc. as well as how much Rogers charges per megabyte when you go over your monthly limit (ex: "at 1$/MB it means the average YouTube video will cost you X.XX$ once you go over your limit", etc).

And last, just to protect the whole thing and keep it based in reality, write the required trademarks for Rogers and Apple (and logos, and product names) and give references and URLs about where you get your numbers from. That way Rogers won't be able to turn around and simply say "these aren't the numbers we calculated, that sheet of paper is just full of lies".

 

[mynameismatt89]

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A very small suggestion. If this was your intention, than I apologize. The white bubble with the Rogers logo in it should be aligned with the large main white text bubble. It seems the white bubble with the Rogers logo in it should be moved a few pixels to the left.

Again, if it was created this way intentionally, I apologize.

 

[Yvan256]

A very small suggestion. If this was your intention, than I apologize. The white bubble with the Rogers logo in it should be aligned with the large main white text bubble. It seems the white bubble with the Rogers logo in it should be moved a few pixels to the left.

Again, if it was created this way intentionally, I apologize.

It's not centered vertically, but to me it seems ok horizontally. I usually don't include trademarks and other symbols when aligning logos.

 

[currymac]

I usually don't include trademarks and other symbols when aligning logos.

That's a good thing because although I applaud your work and will certainly use your data, distributing this file with Rogers' and Apple's logo on it. without their express, written permission, could easily get your butt sued off.

 

[Yvan256]

That's a good thing because although I applaud your work and will certainly use your data, distributing this file with Rogers' and Apple's logo on it. without their express, written permission, could easily get your butt sued off.

That's not my work at all, that's nateco's work. I was merely pointing out things that (IMHO) needed to be fixed.

Also, when I say "I don't include trademarks when aligning" I mean I would still use "Rogers(TM)" but the (TM) wouldn't be included in my calculation for aligning.

 

[generationxwing]

I made me this little chart to help me figure out how much the plans would really cost me. I have added other provinces for your benefit.

That's a great chart, I appreciate you making it!