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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

nateco said:
This interesting stories will roll in after a month or so, when people get their bill.
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Yeah, there should definitely be some good ones. With all this negative press though, you wonder how many naïve people are still out there that are oblivious to these pricing plans and will be taken completely by surprise once they receive their first $100+ monthly bill in August... ;)
 
Well after following this thread and others on the web about the iPhone plans I finally am going to chime in.

Blah blah blah, complain all you want about the data being capped, the prices, etc, but it was expected - its Rogers after all. The one thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that existing customers who are not eligible for a Hardware Upgrade (must have upgraded 1 year ago to be eligible) cannot even purchase the iPhone (on July 11th at least)!

Honestly I don't mind the $30 for 300mb since I just switched from $60 for 25mb. I don't mind signing a 3-year (where else am I going - Rogers is only GSM, which I need for other reasons). It is good to see we can add on and make our own plans (initially most thought we were stuck with the released plans) and the value packs are decent for what its worth (coming from $6 for 125 msgs and $7 for 6pm weekdays now to 2500 msgs, vm, cid, 6pm included for $15)

Anyways I was really excited for this phone and probably will purchase it some day, but unfortunately it looks like I will not be allowed to purchase on Launch Day.

I considered cancelling and resigning with Fido but that would cost me $400 ECF + $100 DataCF + Loose my amazing retention plan + $299 16GB iPhone + $35 activation + ~$75/month plan.

I considered purchasing, cancelling, and holding on a month-to-month just data and use my BB for everything else which would be $349 16GB iPhone (price for not qualifying voice) + $35 activation + $$$

So yeah hopefully waiting it out till more info on uneligible HUP will benefit us...better plans/options/etc.

I'll hang onto my iPod touch and if it meets my needs for MobileMe (really wanted it to sync on the go but I guess wi-fi spots will just have to do) then I may drop the iPhone idea all together.
 
Rogers is offering "UNLIMITED CALLING" for three months

The reason is it keeps your bill down for 3 months till the water clears. It's after the 3rd month you have to be careful on your iphone plan.

you will easily pay $150-$180 on your bill after 3 months.

They got me with that on my old contract gave me unlimited calling for a month, then dropped it my bill went from $60 to $187.

5 min a day that's ********
 
This Apple fanatic won't be buying an iPhone

This is a letter I wrote to Western Canada's Apple rep.....


Hi Richard,

I am an Apple Fanatic. Over the years, many people have switched because of me. (And ALL have been "kiss the ground I walk on" grateful.) I think the iPhone is an insanely amazing device - industry-changing AND beautiful.

And I won't be buying one.

I will also be telling everyone not to buy one.

I think that is a pretty good indication of how bad this is - and how pissed people are at Rogers.
(Of course, the stink will also stick, somewhat, to Apple.)

Rogers' data rates are so bad, you might as well be trying to sell me a Windows computer!
 
aristotle said:
Guys, I talked to Fido and Rogers reps "before" the plans were officially announced or the big fuss started on the net. The said that they did not have exact details but Apple had pressured them to lower the prices before agreeing to partner with them. Rogers had agreed to lower their "pricing" to AT&T levels but this did not mean that we would be getting complete feature parity.

Apple was fully aware of the price plans in Canada, Sweden, Norway and other countries. If you think otherwise then I am afraid that you are quite naive to say the least.

Rogers probably received most of their stock in their main depots before the plans were announced.

I cannot believe how a few bloggers speculating and a bunch of busy body Americans can cause such a fuss in the Canadian media.
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Considering Apple's fanatic secrecy, one could also suggest that it would be very naive for someone to believe that sales reps would know anything related to the iPhone prior to the information being officially announced.

And the primary uproar about Rogers' iPhone plans is in Canada, not the U.S. A growing number of people are asking why Canadian telcoms need to continue to charge us prices well in excess of those found almost anywhere else in the world, for comparatively limited services. But this will only change if enough of us are prepared to hit Rogers and other providers where it hurts: in the corporate pocketbook. Clearly, you are not prepared to do that, but if enough of us are, then you will at least benefit from our doggedness on this issue.

I'm tired of paying more than a fair price for goods and services in Canada. Sorry, but different governmental regulations and transportation costs do not justify the extra 30% that Canadians typically pay for goods and services compared to our American counterparts. We get gouged because we accept this as normal, and as long as we accept such corporate practices and support them with our business, we will continue to pay the price.
 
MacinDoc said:
Considering Apple's fanatic secrecy, one could also suggest that it would be very naive for someone to believe that sales reps would know anything related to the iPhone prior to the information being officially announced.

And the primary uproar about Rogers' iPhone plans is in Canada, not the U.S. A growing number of people are asking why Canadian telcoms need to continue to charge us prices well in excess of those found almost anywhere else in the world, for comparatively limited services. But this will only change if enough of us are prepared to hit Rogers and other providers where it hurts: in the corporate pocketbook. Clearly, you are not prepared to do that, but if enough of us are, then you will at least benefit from our doggedness on this issue.

I'm tired of paying more than a fair price for goods and services in Canada. Sorry, but different governmental regulations and transportation costs do not justify the extra 30% that Canadians typically pay for goods and services compared to our American counterparts. We get gouged because we accept this as normal, and as long as we accept such corporate practices and support them with our business, we will continue to pay the price.
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I would also have to agree.. Now it may happen but even if it did I would not consider it from this... I mean it needs to happen no matter what at this point and when now MP's are stepping in to say something about it lol... Yeah Rogers screwed the wrong people this time.. Guess who people are electing in now..
 
Garemz said:
Rogers is offering "UNLIMITED CALLING" for three months

The reason is it keeps your bill down for 3 months till the water clears. It's after the 3rd month you have to be careful on your iphone plan.

you will easily pay $150-$180 on your bill after 3 months.

They got me with that on my old contract gave me unlimited calling for a month, then dropped it my bill went from $60 to $187.

5 min a day that's ********
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35¢/min doesn't really scare me too much.

5¢/kb does.

If you choose the Flex Rate, you can't be charged more than $100 for 6GB.

If you don;t, you will get charged $31,200 for 6 GB.

I have no interest in paying $50-$100 a month for data. FRACK that. But I went into Rogers today to get a few questions answered. The guy working there is either yankin' my chain, or I am GROSSLY misinformed on how the Internetz work. He told me:

1) The $7 "Vision Plan" Unlimited Data product won;t work on the iPhone because it doesn't work with 3G. I told him that seemed odd because data was data, but in any even, you can turn the 3G off and operate under EDGE. He told me that wasn't true. I assured him that it was.

2) If I turn off all Data access altogether, I won't be able to send or receive text messages. I asked him why. He said the TXT messaging system and the data stream are in the same stream. I asked him, then, if that's the case, how come I can txt message on a virtually-featureless phone what has no data connection (thinking monochromatic screen phones from about 5 or 6 years ago, or even a current base-model Moto.) He said (Oh, cuz it splits from the stream at some point." Ok...

3) If I buy a data package and then delete it, Rogers will charge me $100 for Data ECF, plus $50 for rolling back to a plan that costs less than $30/month. So I have to pay for features I DON'T want.

4) I flat-out asked him why I shouldn't go across the street to Bell and just get an Instinct. I told him I needed a good reason. He told me the rates were actually fairly reasonable. I vehemently disagreed. He then tried to tell me that Apple was partly at fault, and you can't really blame Rogers. I told him that was some bull5#!t, and because Rogers dictated pricing, they chose to price the device out of the hands of most people, and with the extreme data caps, most SENSIBLE people, and were therefore very much to blame. He told me that it was Apple's choice to deliver the iPhone to Canada; they didn't have to. At which point I went into some stupid rant about Apple releasing an iPhone worldwide EXCEPT Canada and how insane a plan that would be.

IN the end, I'm stuck with Rogers because my contract says I am. Fu¢k3rs. I'll be buying an iPhone on Friday, simply because, if I'm stuck with Rogers, I may as well enjoy myself. But I will be sticking to my bare-bones plan and using WiFi wherever possible, which will actually be pretty easy. I'm just sick and tired of having to fight as the customer for what I want in therms of something as stupid as Wireless service.

Oh to be 5 years from now.

In the short term, my only piece of advice is this: Be as informed as is humanly possibly before you make your purchase, if indeed you are planning to do so. Those reps can smell you coming if you aren;t 100% sure of what you;re talking about. I'd almost rather buy a used car than deal with these guys.
 
lmps56 said:
Morning guys...

Looks like our efforts did not change a f***ing thing.
Rogers will NOT offer an unlimited data plan and i doubt they will change anything else about their price plans.

Linky: http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/iphone-rogers/rogers-confirms-no-unlimited-data-plan-for-iphone-3g/
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Very old quote

“…You may have asked a question regarding unlimited data plans and while not all carriers of iPhone 3G are offering unlimited plans, I can’t speak to the business models or pricing strategies of other carriers or in other countries, but for Rogers, we believe that unlimited data plans could well charge our customers for more than they actually use.”
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But I still doubt they will change maybe a better plan in the future..
 
Agreed.

I'm voting with my wallet and not buying one till things change with the pricing.

michaellinehan said:
This is a letter I wrote to Western Canada's Apple rep.....


And I won't be buying one.

I will also be telling everyone not to buy one.

I think that is a pretty good indication of how bad this is - and how pissed people are at Rogers.
(Of course, the stink will also stick, somewhat, to Apple.)

Rogers' data rates are so bad, you might as well be trying to sell me a Windows computer!
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unlimited calling for three months is pretty common to get on new lines and renewals, so it's really not much of a "deal"

Garemz said:
Rogers is offering "UNLIMITED CALLING" for three months

The reason is it keeps your bill down for 3 months till the water clears. It's after the 3rd month you have to be careful on your iphone plan.

you will easily pay $150-$180 on your bill after 3 months.

They got me with that on my old contract gave me unlimited calling for a month, then dropped it my bill went from $60 to $187.

5 min a day that's ********
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RebelScum said:
35¢/min doesn't really scare me too much.

5¢/kb does.

If you choose the Flex Rate, you can't be charged more than $100 for 6GB.

If you don;t, you will get charged $31,200 for 6 GB.

I have no interest in paying $50-$100 a month for data. FRACK that. But I went into Rogers today to get a few questions answered. The guy working there is either yankin' my chain, or I am GROSSLY misinformed on how the Internetz work. He told me:

1) The $7 "Vision Plan" Unlimited Data product won;t work on the iPhone because it doesn't work with 3G. I told him that seemed odd because data was data, but in any even, you can turn the 3G off and operate under EDGE. He told me that wasn't true. I assured him that it was.

2) If I turn off all Data access altogether, I won't be able to send or receive text messages. I asked him why. He said the TXT messaging system and the data stream are in the same stream. I asked him, then, if that's the case, how come I can txt message on a virtually-featureless phone what has no data connection (thinking monochromatic screen phones from about 5 or 6 years ago, or even a current base-model Moto.) He said (Oh, cuz it splits from the stream at some point." Ok...

3) If I buy a data package and then delete it, Rogers will charge me $100 for Data ECF, plus $50 for rolling back to a plan that costs less than $30/month. So I have to pay for features I DON'T want.

4) I flat-out asked him why I shouldn't go across the street to Bell and just get an Instinct. I told him I needed a good reason. He told me the rates were actually fairly reasonable. I vehemently disagreed. He then tried to tell me that Apple was partly at fault, and you can't really blame Rogers. I told him that was some bull5#!t, and because Rogers dictated pricing, they chose to price the device out of the hands of most people, and with the extreme data caps, most SENSIBLE people, and were therefore very much to blame. He told me that it was Apple's choice to deliver the iPhone to Canada; they didn't have to. At which point I went into some stupid rant about Apple releasing an iPhone worldwide EXCEPT Canada and how insane a plan that would be.

IN the end, I'm stuck with Rogers because my contract says I am. Fu¢k3rs. I'll be buying an iPhone on Friday, simply because, if I'm stuck with Rogers, I may as well enjoy myself. But I will be sticking to my bare-bones plan and using WiFi wherever possible, which will actually be pretty easy. I'm just sick and tired of having to fight as the customer for what I want in therms of something as stupid as Wireless service.

Oh to be 5 years from now.

In the short term, my only piece of advice is this: Be as informed as is humanly possibly before you make your purchase, if indeed you are planning to do so. Those reps can smell you coming if you aren;t 100% sure of what you;re talking about. I'd almost rather buy a used car than deal with these guys.
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Focusing on your 2)... I was planning on calling Fido (or getting it done in store if this is possible) and having them disable the 3G antenna. This way there won't be any possibility of me being charged for data that I did not mean to use. Is this what you're referring to when you say 'turning off all data access altogether'? In what way is text messaging effected by turning off all data access altogether? How can I avoid not losing the ability to text message, but also not have access to the internet, mail, app store, etc. except through WiFi?
 
Just as an FYI, Rogers has something going on here in Toronto at the Yonge-Dundas square. Now I didn't see anything related to the iPhone, but considering the launch is a day away they might be up to something... I might check it out at lunch.
 
...so, I take it that there was nothing interesting coming from the teleconference? Or did your rep go in to hiding? ;)

vanmacguy said:
This morning I spoke with my company's corporate sales rep at Rogers.

He said that right now, the whole iPhone launch is shrouded in secrecy the like of which he's never seen before at Rogers.

There is a company wide teleconference tomorrow morning from 9 to noon (PST) and only after that will they know what's going on.

He didn't know this morning whether they would have any phones for corporate customers, how many they might get, when they would be able to supply them, or anything else. He said that the only thing he did know was that Apple and Rogers had been playing 'very hard ball' with each other about the whole thing and that the announced data plan pricing was the only concrete information he had.

I mentioned to him that there was a lack of satisfaction with the whole launch and he said he was aware of that.

I'm booked to call him back tomorrow afternoon and will share what I learn after that call if it's anything significant. But it's probably not going to be anything that hasn't already been said here. I'm guilty of not reading the entirety of this thread I'm afraid.

Cheers.
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They will be giving away twinkies with a huge Robbers logo on it to calm down all the iPhone fans :)


Raid said:
Just as an FYI, Rogers has something going on here in Toronto at the Yonge-Dundas square. Now I didn't see anything related to the iPhone, but considering the launch is a day away they might be up to something... I might check it out at lunch.
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Tsuius said:
They will be giving away twinkies with a huge Robbers logo on it to calm down all the iPhone fans :)
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*acceptance of Twinkie contained within implies agreement to 3-year term of eating and/or digesting and/or passing of said Twinkie. Additional Twinkie can be purchased after a period of one year. Twinkie prices will vary depending on fair market value. Rogers reserves the right to charge a premium on said twinkie. Fair Market Value is decided by Rogers based on whatever we feel a twinkie might be worth to the vast majority of Canadians. If you're hungry enough, a twinkie might be worth, oh, I dunno...$250. If you prefer, you may subscribe to our Twinkie Flex Rate, in which you are free to purchase only a portion of a twinkie at a reduced cost. You may purchase 1/100 the length of the twinkie (a slice approx. 5mm thick) for only $30. Value for Twinkie increases the larger the slice you purchase, up to a maximum of $250. If you intend to chew your Twinkie, we recommend you subscribe to our mastication plan. Passing of Twinkie will result in a $75 Fecal Processing Fee, plus an additional charge for weight of said stool. Rogers is not responsible for separating the Twinkie fro anything else in said stool. Twinkie stool will be weighed as presented and rounded up to the next closest pound. (Yes, we charge by the pound.) Thank you for enjoying your Rogers Twinkie. Go fu¢k yourselves, Canada.

Sincerely

Liz Hamilton
 
Rogers Communications Inc.
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Attention Business/News Editors:

Calling all iPhone 3G fans!

Select Rogers Plus stores to open early coast-to-coast on July 11
Launch promotions to include limited time 6GB data offer

TORONTO, July 9 /CNW/ - In anticipation of iPhone 3G launch on July 11,
Rogers Wireless today announced plans to open the doors of select Rogers Plus
retail stores across Canada in advance of regular hours. Starting at 8:00 am
July 11, Canadians will be able to purchase the new iPhone 3G at special
launch day events to be held at six Rogers Plus stores across the country. Be
among the first in Canada to get the next generation iPhone 3G and have the
choice of a 6GB data plan through a limited time promotional price offer.
"As Canada's leading wireless carrier, Rogers is excited to bring iPhone
3G to Canadians even sooner, allowing our customers to be amongst the first in
the world to experience this amazing mobile innovation," says John Boynton,
Senior Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer, Rogers Wireless. "To
celebrate its launch on Canada's fastest wireless network, we're rolling out
the red carpet with special events at six Rogers Plus stores and a limited
time price promotional data offer from coast-to-coast."
iPhone 3G combines all the revolutionary features of iPhone with 3G
networking that is twice as fast(*) as the first generation iPhone, built-in GPS
for expanded location based mobile services, and iPhone 2.0 software which
includes support for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and runs the hundreds of
third party applications already built with the recently released iPhone SDK.

Rogers Launch Promotions
------------------------
The following Rogers Plus stores in these cities will open their doors at
8:00 a.m. (all times local) on Friday, July 11 for advance purchases of the
Apple iPhone 3G:
Toronto: 112-10 Dundas Street East
Montreal: 1015 rue St. Catherine Ouest
Ottawa: 690 Bank Street
Halifax: Unit 265, 7001 Mumford Road
Calgary: 5244 Falsbridge Gate, NE
Vancouver: 2097 West Broadway

Customers attending launch day events at these Rogers Plus stores will be
treated to a free early bird breakfast and have a chance to win Rogers
Wireless prizes.
Effective July 11, and as a limited time promotional offer for customers
who activate by August 31 on a three year contract, a data-only offering of
6GB of data for $30 per month is being made available that can be added to any
in-market voice plan. For example, with 6GB of data, iPhone 3G users can visit
35,952 web pages, or send and receive 157,286 emails, or watch 6,292 minutes
of YouTube videos each and every month.(xx)
New Canadian iPhone 3G customers will also have the choice to select from
Rogers Wireless' existing voice and smartphone data plans and/or additional
features to best suit their needs, or from Rogers Wireless' value bundled
plans specifically for iPhone 3G. Existing Rogers Wireless customers can keep
their current voice service plan and select a separate data plan to meet their
needs or choose from other plans after checking their individual upgrade
eligibility.
Starting July 11, iPhone 3G will be available at participating locations
across Canada, including select Rogers Plus, Rogers Video, and Rogers Wireless
retail locations and at the following specially selected authorized Rogers
Wireless dealers: WirelessWave, TBooth and Wireless etc. iPhone 3G can also be
purchased online at www.rogers.com and through Rogers' customer service at
1-888-764-3771. For a complete store listing, visit
http://your.rogers.com/mq/mqlocator.asp. Due to anticipated high demand, there
is a maximum purchase of two iPhone 3G per customer.

(*) Based on 3G and EDGE testing. Actual speeds may vary due to a variety
of factors.
(xx) Based on live trials of iPhone 3G on Rogers HSPA network, July 2008

About Rogers Wireless

Rogers Wireless provides wireless voice and data communications services
across Canada to more than 7.4 million customers under both the Rogers
Wireless and Fido brands. Proven to operate Canada's most reliable wireless
voice and data communications network, Rogers Wireless is Canada's largest
wireless provider and the only carrier operating on the global standard GSM
and highly advanced HSPA technology platforms. In addition to providing
seamless roaming in more than 200 countries/areas with its GSM based services,
Rogers Wireless also provides wireless broadband services across Canada,
utilizing its 2.5GHz fixed wireless spectrum. Rogers Wireless is a subsidiary
of Rogers Communications Inc. (TSX: RCI; NYSE: RCI), a diversified Canadian
communications and media company. For further information, please visit
www.rogers.com.


<<
Backgrounder

Average Data Usage on iPhone 3G for Top 25 Internet Properties in Canada

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Top 25 Total Unique Avg. Data Usage
Properties(*) Visitors (000)(*) (first page)(xx)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Internet:
Total Audience 23,947
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Google Sites 23,141 53 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Microsoft Sites 23,053 360 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Yahoo! Sites 16,361 397 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) FACEBOOK.COM 16,154 51 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) eBay 13,972 385 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Wikipedia Sites 11,528 175 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Yellow Pages Group 10,162 35 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) AOL LLC 10,012 134 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Amazon Sites 8,568 38 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Apple Inc. 8,506 650 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Canoe Network 7,894 235 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) CTVglobemedia 7,835 630 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Fox Interactive Media 7,611 194 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) The Weather Network Meteomedia 7,261 811 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) CNET Networks 7,042 36 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Ask Network 6,966 97 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) New York Times Digital 6,943 654 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Viacom Digital 6,258 671 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) CBC-Radio Canada Sites 5,908 468 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Adobe Sites 5,110 678 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Time Warner - Excluding AOL 5,039 143 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Canwest Digital 4,916 236 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) WhitePages 4,910 30 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) Gorilla Nation 4,826 194 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
(P) ROGERS 4,657 593 Kb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Weighted avg = 175 Kb
Simple avg = 318 Kb

(*) Top 25 visited Properties, April 2008, All Locations, comScore, Inc.
(C)
(xx)Rogers Internal iPhone 3G test results, July 2008


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Select Usage Chart of Data Buckets in iPhone 3G Plans
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
Email OR Websites OR Photos OR YouTube
kb used 40 175 300 1000
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------

Bucket Size No. of No. No.
(in MB) text emails of pages of photos (in min)


400 10,240 2,341 1,365 410
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
750 19,200 4,389 2,560 768
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
1024 26,214 5,992 3,495 1,049
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
2048 52,429 11,984 6,991 2,097
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
6144 157,286 35,952 20,972 6,292
-------------------------- ------------- ------------- ------------
>>


About Rogers Wireless
---------------------

Rogers Wireless provides wireless voice and data communications services
across Canada to more than 7.4 million customers under both the Rogers
Wireless and Fido brands. Operating Canada's fastest data and most reliable
voice network with the clearest reception and fewest dropped calls, Rogers
Wireless is Canada's only carrier operating on the global standard GSM and
highly advanced HSPA technology platforms. In addition to providing seamless
roaming in more than 200 countries/areas with its GSM based services, Rogers
Wireless also provides wireless broadband services across Canada utilizing its
2.5GHz fixed wireless spectrum. The company is a subsidiary of Rogers
Communications Inc. (TSX: RCI; NYSE: RCI), a diversified Canadian
communications and media company. For further information, please visit
www.rogers.com.

Contact:
Liz Hamilton
Rogers Wireless
elizabeth.hamilton@rci.rogers.com
(416) 935-8710



For further information: Liz Hamilton, Rogers Wireless,
elizabeth.hamilton@rci.rogers.com, (416) 935-8710; Paul Keable, MS&L PR,
paul.keable@mslpr.ca, (416) 847-1307
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It is getting interesting

Would like to see verification of this from Rogers/Fido. If this can be added to existing voice plans, this might interest me.
 
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