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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

mBox said:
My wants and needs for the iPhone has passed :( Moved on already.
Maybe this fall things will clear up ready for holidays.
Either way, its dead to me :p
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That sums it up for me too. All the excitement is gone. I'm like many of you in the category of could afford but choose not to spend.

When I think of Apple now I get a bad taste in my mouth from thinking how they let Rogers ruin what should have been a great product launch. They had control over this yet their profit making attitude allowed them to join the dark side.
 
march said:
Actually it sounds like Rogers gets hosed on costs whenever they sell an iPhone without data. A dealer on HOFO who was reporting about the commissions said that if anyone sells an iPhone without a data not only does the rep not get a commission, the rep MUST also write up an explanation for head office on why they let the customer out of the store without data.
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I highly doubt they are LOSING money on each iPhone sold without a data plan. But they are probably barely breaking even - thus the reason why they cannot give commission to sign-ups without a data plan.
 
maestrokev said:
When I think of Apple now I get a bad taste in my mouth from thinking how they let Rogers ruin what should have been a great product launch. They had control over this yet their profit making attitude allowed them to join the dark side.
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If Rogers had given reasonable rates, and if only 60% of those on ruinediphone.com signed up for an iPhone, they would surpass the success of the first iPhone in the US in terms of market penetration. If let's say...80% of those that signed the petition would get the iPhone...Canada would have by far the most successful iPhone launch in any country.
 
iPhone for Canada?

After the release of the data plans from Rogers I have decided not to get an iPhone in the near future. The best looking iPhone for Canadians seems to be the iPod Touch. I encourage those of you that were going to get an iPhone to reconsider until we can get Rogers to pay attention to their customers or potential customers.

www.ruinediphone.com

Regards,

D
 
Xyl said:
If Rogers had given reasonable rates, and if only 60% of those on ruinediphone.com signed up for an iPhone, they would surpass the success of the first iPhone in the US in terms of market penetration. If let's say...80% of those that signed the petition would get the iPhone...Canada would have by far the most successful iPhone launch in any country.
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Very true. This will haunt Apple like the Intel Pentium bad chip fiasco. Apple is so image conscious and the last thing they want is bad publicity.
 
Xyl said:
I highly doubt they are LOSING money on each iPhone sold without a data plan. But they are probably barely breaking even - thus the reason why they cannot give commission to sign-ups without a data plan.
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I didn't mean to imply that Rogers would be losing money on each iPhone without a data plan, although Rogers has said many times that the subsidy they are providing on the iPhone is much greater than any subsidy they've provided in the past so if the monthly bills aren't high enough they could be in a position where the economics don't make sense. Admittedly I don't know any of the real numbers or the real terms between Apple and Rogers but clearly Rogers is in a position where they are desperately trying protect against too many customers picking up an iPhone without a data plan. That scenario clearly isn't good for them or they wouldn't be pushing so hard.

The story about Apple not selling iPhones in Apple Insider also seems very credible and I think that is a huge slap in the face for Rogers.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/08/spat_with_rogers_leaves_canadian_apple_stores_without_iphones.html

Based on what I'm seeing I still maintain that Rogers is going to eventually cave on data pricing. (They may not cave entirely but within 3 months I expect Rogers to either drop data prices to rejuvenate iPhone sales which are going to drop off soon after launch or Rogers will back away from the iPhone entirely and claim that the Apple product was never right for the Canadian market - most likely they won't be that stubborn and they'll drop the prices.)

Bottom line. I would be very wary of signing any contract that ties you to Rogers current data prices.

And remember, if we don't buy it they can't rip us off. Rogers is charging what they think the market will bear. Prove them wrong and say no to their pricing.
 
march said:
Bottom line. I would be very wary of signing any contract that ties you to Rogers current data prices.
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Contracts don't tie you to certain plans, just service. By and large, you can change your plan when you want to. Although I think they have some drop down fees if you go below a certain threshold. But data plans are way above what that usually is.

In other new, Telus & Bell will be charging 15c per INCOMING text message. Rogers says they won't. That makes them slightly less evil. Still evil though.
 
march said:
The story about Apple not selling iPhones in Apple Insider also seems very credible and I think that is a huge slap in the face for Rogers.
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The problem with this story is that Apple never planned to sell the iPhone in their retail stores in Canada.

arn
 
march said:
I didn't mean to imply that Rogers would be losing money on each iPhone without a data plan, although Rogers has said many times that the subsidy they are providing on the iPhone is much greater than any subsidy they've provided in the past so if the monthly bills aren't high enough they could be in a position where the economics don't make sense. Admittedly I don't know any of the real numbers or the real terms between Apple and Rogers but clearly Rogers is in a position where they are desperately trying protect against too many customers picking up an iPhone without a data plan. That scenario clearly isn't good for them or they wouldn't be pushing so hard.
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Agreed. They are making so little money off a voice-only contract for the iPhone, that they are much better off selling another phone. If the average consumer thinks the plans are too high and end up only getting a voice-only contract with the iPhone, Rogers margins are going to be way down and sooner or later they WILL have to cave in to lower data rates.
 
generationxwing said:
In other new, Telus & Bell will be charging 15c per INCOMING text message. Rogers says they won't. That makes them slightly less evil. Still evil though.
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Lesser of two evils you mean?

In Australia, I've never heard of paying for incoming SMS. Does Europeans and Asians pay for incoming SMS?
 
just went to rogers at markville mall in markham, ontario. the guy told me you CAN buy the iphone without a data plan... :) maybe i can make due on WIFI :)
 
arn said:
The problem with this story is that Apple never planned to sell the iPhone in their retail stores in Canada.

arn
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Good point.

How many other countries that are launching iPhones and have Apple stores are not selling in their retail stores?
 
maestrokev said:
That sums it up for me too. All the excitement is gone. I'm like many of you in the category of could afford but choose not to spend.

When I think of Apple now I get a bad taste in my mouth from thinking how they let Rogers ruin what should have been a great product launch. They had control over this yet their profit making attitude allowed them to join the dark side.
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Haha dont get me wrong, Im always looking at Apple stuff. Waiting for the MacBook Pro refresh. I was going to move to a tower but my trusty old G4 QS has been working fine since the start :) I need a laptop to carry to shoots and gigs ;)
 
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nateco said:
Anyone wanna post points for a pdf I can make and circulate.

The case against Rogers.
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One point that is really bothering me about the Rogers is in the details of how they structured their pricing.

Setting aside the "need" for unlimited data - maybe we don't really need unlimited data - or the size of the buckets - maybe Rogers is being honest when they say that between 400mb and 2gb is more than enough - Rogers has demonstrated a shameless greed in how they've structured their pricing.

1. Why do the "High Value" iPhone plans tie data and voice together. You can't take more data without taking more voice and vice versa. It's true Rogers has "clarified/backtracked" to indicate you don't need to use an iPhone, but these are still the plans they are pushing.

2. Why didn't Rogers include caller id in the iPhone plans but instead bundle that in a $15 or $20 value pack that needs to be added to the iPhone.

3. (This is my biggest complaint with the data pricing.) Why does Rogers charge 50 cents for the first 60mb of data overage before reducing the overage rate to 3 cents per mb. (This effectively ensures they can grab an extra $30 from customers as soon as they go over their data plan before overages are applied at a more reasonable rate.)

All of these things are designed to allow Rogers to advertise a lower price to get people into the stores while being in a position to actually push customer bills ever higher.

I think if Rogers had been more reasonable in the details of their plans I may have talked myself into accepting their rates as "the price we have to pay in Canada" but with the current structure of their plans I just can't justify purchasing an iPhone even though I really really really want one.
 
generationxwing said:
Contracts don't tie you to certain plans, just service. By and large, you can change your plan when you want to. Although I think they have some drop down fees if you go below a certain threshold. But data plans are way above what that usually is.

In other new, Telus & Bell will be charging 15c per INCOMING text message. Rogers says they won't. That makes them slightly less evil. Still evil though.
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The following is from Rogers website:

Price Plan Downgrade Fee
If you have subscribed to an iPhone Voice & Data Package or a Voice Price Plan with a Monthly Service Fee of more than $30, then a Price Plan Downgrade Fee of $50 will be applied to your invoice if, for any reason, you change to a Price Plan with a Monthly Service Fee of $30 or less at any time during the Service Agreement Term. A Price Plan Downgrade Fee will not be charged if your service is terminated prior to the end of the Service Agreement Term, although you will be subject to any applicable early cancellation fee.
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march said:
The following is from Rogers website:
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Thanks, that quote basically proved what I am saying. I plan to start with my existing voice plan ($25/mo) and add a data plan. When Rogers eventually introduces better data plans, I won't have to pay the downgrade fee. Unlee the new data plan is only $4 a month.
 
Anyone know a good place to host pdf's.

Also...if anyone wants the pages file I did this with so they can add their own bits to it or fix it up...shoot me a pm with your email.

I plan on circulating these..and maybe drop some off at the Rogers dealers on launch day.
 
arn said:
The problem with this story is that Apple never planned to sell the iPhone in their retail stores in Canada.

arn
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Can you provide a source for that? I asked in the Toronto Apple Store and they said they would have them on July 11th (this was when it was first announced to be coming on July 11th)
 
nateco said:
is this any better
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Better. I would modify the second bullet. The $90 figure seems a bit inflated and could undermine the whole flyer's credibility. No need to exaggerate, Rogers' plan are bad enough already.

Unless I am mistaken, Roger's basic iPhone plan would cost you $74.45 a month once you including all the hidden fees (I consider call display a necessary feature to fully appreciate the iPhone):

$60.00 plan + $6.95 system access fee + $0.50 911 fee + $7.00 Call display fee.

Did I miss any hidden fees?
 
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