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3 years is pretty normal in Canada. It sucks, but that's how it is. I just finished a three year contract for a crappy $0 samsung flip phone.

Seemed like a good idea at the time.



http://www.apple.com/ca/ipodtouch/

Seriously, if you have wifi everywhere, get a pay as you go phone and an iPod Touch, and put the money you save into your "buy a car when I graduate" fund.

I have an iPod Touch and I love it. I'm only here talking about iPhones because as of this announcement, I'm on the fence, but I've been really happy with the iPod Touch and a junky 3.5 year old samsung flip phone I barely use.

quite right ,dude!

i won't get into comparing the canadian and US GSM - carriers - it would be pointless.
Just look at what you'll get for 30 us $ in Germany , or France for instance!
I used to dial regularly (not too much - and usually 1-2 min. calls).quite normal i 'd say, and that used to cost me , like 15-25 Euro per month - maximum.
and that was because i wasn't on prepaid cards - the wifi + iPod touch is a way better deal. I'm here for the gps , and 'cause my nearly 5 year old Sony gets pretty freaky these days .
 
So, I think I will be getting:

1: 250 mins personal plan = 25$
2: 6gb plan = 30$
3: Service Pack 15:
- Call Display
- WhoCalled
- 2,500 Sent Text Messages
- Caller Ring Trax
- 2,500 Call Forwarding Minutes = 15$

That should cover all the features of the iPhone. I don't really care about the Hotspots cause there aren't any where I live.

Good luck ... 25+30+15 = $ 70, plus $ 8 for network and 911 fee = $ 78. So with tax it's around $ 90 every month for 36 months.

I guess NFL will be comming to Toronto as you will finance it for Rogers. :)


i barely believe that it's been taken as a good news !!!

Guys , are you crazy - 3 (three whole) year contract ! - that's like being in servitude to those Rogersss gang.
You're going to pay more than 1000! bucks ON top of the usual "fortune" you've been spending . Mamma mia !

Maybe if we represent 3 years as 5% of the average adult life (starts at 12, ends at 72), maybe some people will wake up ;)
 
New info. No visual voicemail and expensive texting rates.

Don't know if this has been mentioned as I haven't read the full thread but I was at my local Roger's retailer this morning and was told that if you take a data plan (like the 30$/ 6GB one) on top of a regular voice plan you lose out on visual voicemail since that is a feature offered solely as part of the iPhone package plans that we've all heard about. And, so far, it isn't being offered as a separate feature that you can add to any existing plan.

So, the question begs, what is the most advantageous plan for a Roger's upgrading-to-iPhone-customer?

I don't want to screw myself in getting that long coveted iPhone...
 
Exactly. I planned on buying an Iphone and selling the ipod touch that comes with the MBP I'm buying. But these plans don't even seem worth having the Iphone. I will be around wi-fi most of the day anyways.

SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW
 
As much as I would like to believe that Rogers is responding to the online petition, I think it's much more likely they are bending to pressure being applied by Apple. I seem to recall a story about Apple not being happy with Rogers ridiculous rate plans.
 
Good luck ... 25+30+15 = $ 70, plus $ 8 for network and 911 fee = $ 78. So with tax it's around $ 90 every month for 36 months.

I guess NFL will be comming to Toronto as you will finance it for Rogers. :)




Maybe if we represent 3 years as 5% of the average adult life (starts at 12, ends at 72), maybe some people will wake up ;)


My cellphone is also my home phone, I don't have a regular line phone. So instead of putting 35$ for a home phone and 60$ for a cellphone and an ok plan, why not just pay 90$ per month and I could be reached anytime with all the iPhone features. I've been doing that since I was in university. And I get better features than the plans Rogers offer with the iPhone in their voice and data plan.
 
For users who have extremely low monthly voice usage (in the vicinity of 100 minutes per month or less) it can often be cheaper to go for a non-contract prepaid phone rather than sign up for any contracts currently available for sale. System access fees are waived, and caller ID is included. (Voicemail charges are only the per-minute airtime, which is unfortunately double-dipped, charged once for people to leave messages, and then again for you to listen to them.) Otherwise, you're pretty much spot on price-wise.

Your experience regarding coverage in Thunder Bay doesn't fully reflect the situation nation-wide. There are counter examples of ares where Telus/Bell (who often share each others' infrastructure) have better coverage than Rogers.
I just used that as an example of how Telus and Bell often choose to not cover areas of the country nationwide with a low population density. If the telus/bell plan sound to good to be true, they usually are.

I've also had experience with pay as you go but those services are usually limited to cheap phones with voice texting and possibly extremely expensive WAP internet. The iPhone is an internet enabled smart phone.
 
Great, sign your life away. :rolleyes:

Yeah, because everyone else wants to drop their cell phone service in a year or two. :rolleyes:

Seriously, do you plan on not using your iPhone after a year or two? It's already been noted that the contracts are independent of upgrade credits, so you can still upgrade to a newer iPhone if one comes out before your contract is up.

They are just playing games. Nobody says this promotional offer will be good for how long, once you sign up and 6 months or 1 year later, they'll bump you to a normal plan. That's the normal catch they use.

Uhm... contracts work both ways. They are not legally allowed to do that.

a temporary fix, this deal will only last until august 31st, and rogers isnt get a whole lot of iphones anyway. not a lot of people will be able to capitalize on this promo, and even if, you only have a short time doing so.

You can sign up without them having a phone in stock.

why cant rogers release unlimited plan? because its the only GSM provider in canada, and its got a monopoly, and they will squeeze every penny out of you possible. rogers has no intentions of 'satisfying its customers'

I don't know - why can't I buy "unlimited milk" from my local corner store? Why can't I get "unlimited haircuts" from the barber shop? Maybe because it costs money to provide a service each and every time you use it. AT&T is just banking on average usage and calling the term "unlimited". Notice how they just raised their rates - they probably found that it costs more than they thought to provide "unlimited" data. Rogers is just not playing that game.

6,200 minutes of Youtube a month. I sure hope no one is planning on watching 3.5 hours a day of youtube on his or her phone!
:p

I hope nobody would waste their life like that too. Who leaves their home for 3.5 hours a day to watch YouTube. Even if you commuted via transit, you likely don't have 3.5 hours every day to sit there and watch YouTube; and that's not even accounting for weekends, or the time it takes to actually browse and find 3.5 hours of YouTube.

3 years - hilarious. You'd have to be mental to sign up for that.

Really? Do you plan on dumping your iPhone in the trash after one year?
 
I have been a very vocal critic of the Rogers iPhone plans. I wrote to several of their executives several times and also corresponded with several people in the mainstream media about this.

I am now probably going to get the 3G iPhone (I already have the Gen 1 unlocked) Are the new rates what I want? No, not fully. However, I am also a realist and know that this is as far as Rogers will go. They have their existing BB customer base to worry about, if they went too far with this, that group would holler.I can get what I want at just over $100/month, voice and data so its a go for me. Will even 6GB be enough? We shall see.
 
Late Breaking News

(Man if someone has already announced this I'm going to need something scrape this egg off of my face)

I just walked over to a Rogers store and found out something interesting. The guy there said that each and every Rogers-Plus store has been allotted the same number of iPhones for Friday. He wouldn't tell me how many except to say that it was "less than 10".

Yeah. You're welcome.
 
This is all the result of

Publicity. Very bad publicity. I'm rather impressed with how many media outlets picked up on craptacular rates Rogers devised and the ensuing *****torm of online petitions. Had those media outlets not let every Joe Q Sixpack in Canada planning on getting the new iPhone know that the rates were simply astronomical, then nothing would have happened. This isn't so much about Rogers realizing they were a bit overzealous in their pricing so much as they want to do anything to stem the tide of bad publicity. The fact that this is an introductory offer only supports this claim. This rumor about Apple diverting shipments may have been the straw that broke the camels back (if these rumors are with merit).
 
I got a great plan for my "screw Rogers" phone at Costco. That's where I'll be on Friday to check things out.

I think I'll need to get a slightly better value than a basic Rogers voice plan to bite on an iPhone, but if that's offered at Costco, I may just take the plunge.

Re: Three year contracts... how many people don't these days? Most subsidized phones get the majority of their discount at 3 years... looking at just a random phone on Rogers' site shows discounts of $60 for one year, $160 for two and $360 for three. If you cancel after two, you're giving back $40 from the discount you would have gotten if you'd signed up for a two-year contract. If you don't, you're ahead of the game. (EDIT: The problem, of course, being if you want to cancel sooner than half-way through the contract... more editing... seems some phones see a discount of as little as $270 and some as high as $400.)

While I think the practice is lame and shows Canada's crappiness, I don't think there's something inherently stupid about signing up for a three year deal as a Canadian consumer, unless you absolutely must have a new phone every year.
 
im glad you canadians finally got what you were asking for..
really anything other than unlimited data seems a bit off, but this is a big step forward :)
 
Fido has a similar press release offering the 6gb data plan.

Only thing that has me worried is the 'in market' plan text. My guess is that city fido will not qualify for this.

Oh well, its still a very good deal compared to what was offered before. I'm getting one. Rogers has shown some flexibility here, and given the phones battery issues, I doubt I'm going over 6gb a month.

FYI the only Fido store thats opening early is in Montreal.

I pray that I can just add this to my City Fido plan!
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned as I haven't read the full thread but I was at my local Roger's retailer this morning and was told that if you take a data plan (like the 30$/ 6GB one) on top of a regular voice plan you lose out on visual voicemail since that is a feature offered solely as part of the iPhone package plans that we've all heard about. And, so far, it isn't being offered as a separate feature that you can add to any existing plan.

The way I see it, Visual Voicemail is a feature of the iPhone. If you have voicemail service then your visual voicemail should be available on your iPhone.
 
The way I see it, Visual Voicemail is a feature of the iPhone. If you have voicemail service then your visual voicemail should be available on your iPhone.

Visual Voicemail requires the plan ($8 if doing a non-iPhone plan) because they have move your voicemail from the existing server(s) to the Visual Voicemail server(s).

It's not only a feature of the phone otherwise all of us first gen users would have had it all along.

It will be interesting to see if you can add visual voicemail to a plan without getting a new iPhone, if so we can finally use it on our old iPhones.

Note: Visual Voicemail requires data to work.
 
Furthermore, Roger's customers will not be charged for incoming text messages as Bell and Telus customers will be (starting in August) BUT Rogers will be charging 0.25$ per OUTGOING text message starting July 15th. AND outgoing text messages to the US will no longer be included in any texting plan you may already have. Those will now be 0.25$ every time. (Read this interesting tidbit on my last invoice.)

Come on dude read that properly.

Verbatim V

Please note that effective July 15th, 2008, the rate for sending a text from Canada to the United States is changing to 25 cents (previously 15 cents). Also effective that date, Text Messaging Plans and Value Packs with Text Messaging will no longer include text messages sent from Canada to the United States. Instead, subscribers to those plans or Value Packs will be charged for text messages send from Canada to the United States on a pay-per-use basis at a rate of 25 cents per message. All other aspects of those text messaging plans and Value Packs will remain the same.

It's only for Can to US.
 
I betcha you could still burn through 6GB in a month without tethering, which you can't do with an iPhone anyways.

How about everytime someone uses Google Maps or Stock Ticker or Weather and it constantly refreshes itself whenever you tap it?

Just wait til MobileMe users can't upload to their web gallery because of the limit.

It's going to happen and I think it's going to happen sooner than later.

PS: Just did the math and the 35,952 web pages works out to roughly a 167k website. When's the last time you saw those???

Unless you are surfing 24/7 I don't see how you can go over 6GB on a iPhone even w/tethering. I have a data card in my laptop that is used 9 hours a day 5 days a week. I fetch email, browse the web. Some youtube videos and a torrent every once in a while, flickr uploads, etc. I am usually under 4GB a month.
 
Wow, so disappointing

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

I'm so disappointed in a lot of my fellow Canucks here. We were finally waking up and questioning the problem with Rogers (et al) here. Then they throw this (weak) bone out that just shifts over the pricing problem to the voice half of the bill at best, and doesn't do squat to address the users who don't need the 6GB limit and are just looking for some basic overall value. It's gone from being a terrible deal to being a less terrible deal and now suddenly the discussion shifts from a solid comparison of pricing between countries to "gee, should I line up now, or wait...who wants to meet me Friday morning." I guess Rogers really does know what they're doing.

Sigh.
 
Can someone find out if that $30.00 canadian a month is for all the months in the 3 year contract? Also, why does it have to be 3 years? What happens in one year when the super iphone deluxe with holographic memory and artificial intelligence comes out? What will be the upgrade path for existing customers?
Why can't it be 2 year contracts? :confused:
 
Publicity. Very bad publicity. I'm rather impressed with how many media outlets picked up on craptacular rates Rogers devised and the ensuing *****torm of online petitions. Had those media outlets not let every Joe Q Sixpack in Canada planning on getting the new iPhone know that the rates were simply astronomical, then nothing would have happened. This isn't so much about Rogers realizing they were a bit overzealous in their pricing so much as they want to do anything to stem the tide of bad publicity. The fact that this is an introductory offer only supports this claim. This rumor about Apple diverting shipments may have been the straw that broke the camels back (if these rumors are with merit).

It has nothing to do with bad publicity.

It has everything to do with Telus and Bell always have lower priced data plans than Rogers; and Bell announcing $10 data a month on a iphone clone.
 
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