Been using Safari since Panther. This was present until Safari 5 in OS X Lion - when they introduced Resume.
FWIW it will still warn you if you’ve entered text somewhere before quitting. I too wish they’d gives us the option of a checkbox.
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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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FWIW it will still warn you if you’ve entered text somewhere before quitting. I too wish they’d gives us the option of a checkbox.
Apple needs to make it reliable, snappier, and functional with websites; otherwise it’s the new IE.
You can’t just say because something has a higher version number it is more developed.
There isn’t 1 standard for versioning.
Apple use semantic versioning which is logical based on the type of updates
1.0.0:
Major (api breaking). minor. Bug fixes
Google just increased the major version for any small change to catch up to Firefox’s version number…
It doesn’t mean it’s any better than a lower version competitor
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Where’s the “It just works”; these days I need to use the console to make the whole thing work properly with commands I find on forums.
Definitely prefer to use Safari, but the recent versions broke compatibility with some Google sites like the Google Search results page. I really wish it would have better extension support and some extra toggles to disable certain features like the tab hover preview and auto sidebar.
I run the betas mostly, but you almost never know any feedback has been acknowledged or read. It’s exceedingly rare to have someone contact you to expand on pointing out a issue with Safari with needing more details. Recently I submitted a Java based error causing excessive memory usage with a single URL out of everything else that was OK. It was fixed in the very next beta.
I currently don’t see any issues with the most recent MacOS beta, but iPadOS on some webpages with forums I see a error with attaching a URL link to specific text in a post where it’s not working correctly. So the iPadOS Safari needs some attention verifying full HTML 5 support.
People can always compare browsers using https://html5test.com/
Through casual usage most people wouldn’t likely see any issues with latest versions of Safari, so like you have said it just works for me.
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Maybe there is a misunderstanding here — the feedback they are "rebuking" is already squashed bugs — not older bugs that haven't been addressed yet... those are the ones they want. They are indicating that people are knocking Safari glibly over old bugs that have since been solved, meaning continuing to harp on those bugs indicated the ones complaining are either not updating, or no longer on the platform to know they have been squashed. Apple is clearly getting feedback from people who aren't providing honest feedback, but rather looking at this opportunity to dunk on Safari, not improve it. If that was my project, I would be frustrated too — clearly, they are trying to find ways to improve Safari.
I liked the changes for iOS and macOS Safari, I opt in to all of them and they're better. It's just unfortunate that Apple has no energy or vision for Safari and the vocal user base raises hell about good changes.
They need more features, not bug fixes. And bring the UI up to the highest bar they reach for some of their other projects. New bookmark manager, better extension support, optimized code, best in class tab bar - why not let you make stacks/fans or even folders in the tab bar? Or automatically stack pages from the same website, have optional AI stacking so that apple.com and MacRumors.com and bgr stack themselves? They're coming up last in the marathon. And they have the resources to do better.
They need more features, not bug fixes. And bring the UI up to the highest bar they reach for some of their other projects. New bookmark manager, better extension support, optimized code, best in class tab bar - why not let you make stacks/fans or even folders in the tab bar? Or automatically stack pages from the same website, have optional AI stacking so that apple.com and MacRumors.com and bgr stack themselves? They're coming up last in the marathon. And they have the resources to do better.
Safari - Preferences - Tabs. Here you go.
Attachments
Edge is great but sometimes it's bugged out and eats up 99% of one performance core in my M1 Max.
I use safari everyday and I absolutely love its UI, speed, and security. But it's quite obvious a few websites are built with only chromium in mind, so I have to keep another browser around for those more advanced tools. Apple doesn't need to be talking to users about safari - they need to be talking to web devs about why they are having a hard time implementing webkit support in a mostly chromium world.
Both for iOS. If you have a tab open in a group, and open more tabs, and switch between them, and switch apps, you'll eventually just drop tabs. That's pretty serious. They don't show up in your history either, so if you lose them, they're gone forever.
The fact that they're always reloading is annoying too.
The fact that they're always reloading is annoying too.
Stop changing the design "for the hell of it" would be my #1 Safari request
you can make a new tab by swiping the tab bar over to the left, no need to go into the switcher and press the + key.
Knowing about the gestures, I don't think the + button should be moved to the right - interfaces should not cram all their buttons in the bottom right corner to appease right-handed iPhone max users, and should keep the buttons nicely laid out across the whole interface and if you are having trouble reaching the buttons with one hand you should get a one handed size device.
So, all browsers suck in some way. I always have multiple browsers open. Google Chrome sucks just as much. Keep in mind, I use multiple browsers on my Macs and PCs. Problems with all them. But, less with the Edge on my PC. I know. I cringe. But, it's true. Have not tried on my Mac.
That said, my biggest issue as someone mentioned already is memory and cpu. 20GB of men being used right now just from Safari. Yes, I have a ton of tabs open. But, I would think that only active tab should be eating that much memory. I have plenty of other gripes. But, also, things I like too.
Also, keep in mind, web developers have some blame in this too. Plenty of web sites need fixes too. I open the console some times and just see a mess behind the scenes.
Anyway, I hope some good comes out of this. Felt like Apple was getting a bit lazy on quality. Just my 2 cents.
That said, my biggest issue as someone mentioned already is memory and cpu. 20GB of men being used right now just from Safari. Yes, I have a ton of tabs open. But, I would think that only active tab should be eating that much memory. I have plenty of other gripes. But, also, things I like too.
Also, keep in mind, web developers have some blame in this too. Plenty of web sites need fixes too. I open the console some times and just see a mess behind the scenes.
Anyway, I hope some good comes out of this. Felt like Apple was getting a bit lazy on quality. Just my 2 cents.
Frankly her attitude is extremely condescending. As a lead programmer I am VERY familiar with telling people, "Don't tell me it just doesn't work, point to specific things so I can fix them."
But that simply doesn't apply here. If she doesn't already know why Safari is a disaster, then she's hopeless.
The entirety of the tech support world has a single mantra: "Oh you're using Safari? Open it in Chrome and it will work."
Until that statement is no longer universally true, Safari is still a burden to the world instead of a benefit.
I appreciate the privacy and tracking related features Apple creates for Safari, but none of them matter when Safari lags behind the fast advancement of web technologies. None of them matter when Safari is years behind Chrome on major web technologies that people are using every day.
But that simply doesn't apply here. If she doesn't already know why Safari is a disaster, then she's hopeless.
The entirety of the tech support world has a single mantra: "Oh you're using Safari? Open it in Chrome and it will work."
Until that statement is no longer universally true, Safari is still a burden to the world instead of a benefit.
I appreciate the privacy and tracking related features Apple creates for Safari, but none of them matter when Safari lags behind the fast advancement of web technologies. None of them matter when Safari is years behind Chrome on major web technologies that people are using every day.
In all seriousness ... sites such as ...?
Haven't run into anything since the days of "You must use IE" like that. Really.
What corners of the web am I not visiting that has such constraints?
Never had any issues with Safari and use it everyday. Don't get the hate tbh.
Good point, web sites are not always proofed out to work with all browsers.
I don’t like how putting a web page on the home screen works so poorly. And similarly on macOS, not an easy way to make a website behave like an app without third party utilities. As a consequence there are many apps that are a web page and Electron bundled.
I think Apple sacrificed the user experience for AppStore revenue in this case.
I think Apple sacrificed the user experience for AppStore revenue in this case.