Any decent web developer will develop to the standards, not to a specific browser. There's no reason to create multiple websites in this day even if some companies would like you to think otherwise.
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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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The very LAST company we want to control the internet is Google.
Safari feels old and clunky and doesn’t work right on every computer I use it on, whether new or old.
Firefox works fantastic for me, and makes my old computers feel new again when web browsing.
Firefox works fantastic for me, and makes my old computers feel new again when web browsing.
In the case of web engines, competition is not good since it creates a bad experiance for users when their website does not load correctly if at all depending on which web engine they are currently using to load the website. It would be better for Apple to finnaly admit they lost the browser war just like Microsoft did and move on to the open sourced Chromium standard.
Performance wise they’ve not improved things with Safari and WebKit for years. For instance if I open a bunch of new tabs in background it starts lagging badly real quick, to the point where it forcefully reloads the current tab I’m on. This Safari ‘redesign’ failed to address performance issues and even added more bugs and poor optimization on top of it. Good luck trying to switch between different tab groups each with hundreds of tabs open.
Have you used it lately or are you basing this on past experience? I use Firefox heavily every day and have never noticed anything being slow or buggy... Do you maybe use weird extensions?
It's all anecdotal, of course. But I've been quite happy with it.
100%. If anything Chrome is the new IE, remember "IE compatibility mode" plugins that used to exist for firefox and IE 9 (i think?). IE used to totally flaunt standards and some sites would only work on IE, particularly many enterprises software packages published by massive proprietary software makers who had very little incentive to update them, or customers who refused to pay out the wazoo for said updates. Chrome is a plague, and in many ways worse than IE was.... at least Microsoft was just feckless market-share whore. Google is straight up monetizing this dumpster fire.
Their are other corporations who also use Chromium. I doubt Google has the sway they once did considering Microsoft is now using the engine and they also have a massive say in what is or is not in the next versions of Chromium.
The problem is corporations are not going to pay for that. This is why you have websites that do not work well with non chromium based web browsers.
I have used all of them since Netscape Navigator came out.
And at this time, Safari is my favorite browser, second is Edge, last in my list is Chrome (only used to manage some devices that only work well with Chrome; but latest updates to the device are letting me now use Safari or Edge).
I just can't wait for the day when I will get rid of Chrome completely.
And at this time, Safari is my favorite browser, second is Edge, last in my list is Chrome (only used to manage some devices that only work well with Chrome; but latest updates to the device are letting me now use Safari or Edge).
I just can't wait for the day when I will get rid of Chrome completely.
Safari has been working great for me. However, I wish they were so open to hear bugs and suggesting for other iOS/macOS areas, because all the feedback sent to the feedback webpage seems to fall into the void.
This!
I thought maybe this is going to be the new norm and how every one else wanted it, or no one really cares so I need to live with it. Glad others have noticed the change.
Sidebar hierarchy resetting every time I close has been frustrating. I use bookmarks for all the secondary sites that I don’t want to keep in my favorites bar and having to reopen that sections hierarchy every time is unnecessary clicks I don’t need to make. I wish it remembered my setup like before.
It is too late for that Google already controls the internet thru the open source Chromium engine. I suspect their control will be minimized since Microsoft also has a say in the engines development. It is time for Apple to jump aboard the Chromium train to improve the user experience.
Exactly. The industry learned its lesson from the intestinal obstruction known as IE.
So that is why we still have websites that only work/load correctly on Chromium? They sure learned their lesson.
What really bothers me with Safari is the lack of good add-on developers.
Which I assume Apple has onerous rules or limitations. That scare many of them off or reduce functionality of their add-ons. I notice password managers don't integrate in the browser as well as Firefox or Chrome and instead install a standalone Mac App you open.
Anyways since I can't find the add-ons I like for Safari on Mac. I use Firefox. Except for anything Google related. I use Chrome. To limit my Google footprint as much as I can.
On iOS. I use Duckduckgo Browser for the most part. Since it seems to work well enough and does a decent job blocking ads. Which Safari is horrible at even with the worthless third party adblocker addons.
On iPad I use iCab for some sites. As it's the only browser I've found which allows user agent switching. Which is useful on iPad minis. As websites which recognize an iPad will often not give you the phone version but an iPad version. Which is too small on the mini. iCab is great for this since I have it set to identify as an iPhone. It gives me a giant phone version of sites.
Which I assume Apple has onerous rules or limitations. That scare many of them off or reduce functionality of their add-ons. I notice password managers don't integrate in the browser as well as Firefox or Chrome and instead install a standalone Mac App you open.
Anyways since I can't find the add-ons I like for Safari on Mac. I use Firefox. Except for anything Google related. I use Chrome. To limit my Google footprint as much as I can.
On iOS. I use Duckduckgo Browser for the most part. Since it seems to work well enough and does a decent job blocking ads. Which Safari is horrible at even with the worthless third party adblocker addons.
On iPad I use iCab for some sites. As it's the only browser I've found which allows user agent switching. Which is useful on iPad minis. As websites which recognize an iPad will often not give you the phone version but an iPad version. Which is too small on the mini. iCab is great for this since I have it set to identify as an iPhone. It gives me a giant phone version of sites.
Brave is the best browser on macOS. Chromium engine, Google services and tracking removed, fast, battery friendly and good built-in adblocker
Safari is always the last to adopt new standards or file formats. Even Apple is an AOMedia member, it still refuses to make Safari (or macOS) adopt AVIF.
I still use Safari on iOS and iPadOS because I have no choices, but Firefox is currently my browser on macOS.
I still use Safari on iOS and iPadOS because I have no choices, but Firefox is currently my browser on macOS.
We already lived through that kind of nonsense, where you had to code different versions of the same pages for different browsers. As soon as people had a reasonable alternative to IE, they bolted. And when they saw that they weren't going to control the world after all, and the EU slapped Microsoft down, the makers of IE stopped making up pseudo-HTML standards designed to keep people locked into their thing.
Keep the standards standard.
And we still have horses, a hundred years into the horseless carriage era.
You're part of the problem. Bajillions of devs write web apps that work perfectly well on Safari, all day everyday. It's fine to be lazy, but at least own it.
Well, we had to move away from Safari in our school because it simply no longer functions properly: Testing sites won't work with it, even if they say they should, audio cut-outs and bizarre network performance lag being the two worst issues. Open that same site, while Safari has paused necessary audio or refusing to load the next page, in Firefox or Chrome and *bang* it just works. Apple also hasn't provided the tools to education necessary to properly manage Safari through MDMs: Chrome and Firefox remain much more configurable across network installations. But that's pretty much just following the trend of Apple essentially forcing us to handle more and more of our education-based needs through non-Apple solutions. Even 6 years ago we never would have considered Chromebooks, but now it's something we review every year, since 75% of what our students do is already Google or Chrome based. Apple needs their "A" game back, but they no longer have even the slightest concept of what that "A" game should be.
The main thing keeping me from using Safari is any time I want to use an extension/plugin it isn't available for Safari. I don't know why and I shouldn't have to know. It should just work, that is Apples ethos right?
Same plugins are available for Chrome and Firefox so those are the browsers I use instead.
Same plugins are available for Chrome and Firefox so those are the browsers I use instead.