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You don't get it "Samsung in their mobile division" can make a loss. Samsung make a ton of stuff from TVs, to bulldozers to deep sea oil-rigs. As long as they make a profit over all is what matters.

You don’t get it: since Samsung manufactures most of the components in its phone it’s not just the phone division that will be impacted.
But it’s display division, memory division, battery division.... are you starting to get it?
 
Do tell me Samedung, where one of your customers can go for in-person tech support. Or where they can sign up for in person classes to learn how to use their device. Or where they can get creative arts classes involving their devices.

Go ahead, I won't wait.
 
Despite whatever troubles Samsung are having with their mobile division, as a company they have their finger in so many pies that it doesn’t really matter if they are loosing phone sales. They can run the mobile division as a hobby if they really wanted to.

Again I don’t think what your saying is accurate.

Mobile represents what 30% of the company’s revenue. Components such as memory, oled... 40% of Samsung electronics.

They can’t run it as a hobby, that’s just ridiculous.
 
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You don’t get it: since Samsung manufactures most of the components in its phone it’s not just the phone division that will be impacted.
But it’s display division, memory division, battery division.... are you starting to get it?
No, (and were going around in circles here) you don't get it all those things you mentioned, display division, memory division, battery division, are part of a mobile phone. iPhones could die tomorrow because something better comes out; yet we are still going to need bulldozers and oil-rigs (unless you think we have a better solution to bulldozers?)
 
You really believe that Samsung brings a phone to market which results in losses for the company?

Yes.

The note 7 comes to mind. Samsung had to sell 2 or 3 companies, that was a mess.

If the s9 doesn’t sell 30 million units... then the s 9 as well.
 
No, (and were going around in circles here) you don't get it all those things you mentioned, display division, memory division, battery division, are part of a mobile phone. iPhones could die tomorrow because something better comes out; yet we still going to need bulldozers and oil-rigs (unless you think we have a better solution to bulldozers?)

And Samsung could elect to sell or close down Samsung electronics tomorrow what’s your point.
 
You don’t get it: since Samsung manufactures most of the components in its phone it’s not just the phone division that will be impacted.
But it’s display division, memory division, battery division.... are you starting to get it?
Yes but samsung don't only make chips, batteries and displays for their own devices. They make them for many others including Apple. The chips division have been doing well and posting profits. However they make so many things like washing machines and Tvs and dishwashers. The mobile division won't sink samsung.
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And Samsung could elect to sell or close down Samsung electronics tomorrow what’s your point.
They are talking about samsung as a whole, not just the mobile division.
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Yes.

The note 7 comes to mind. Samsung had to sell 2 or 3 companies, that was a mess.

If the s9 doesn’t sell 30 million units... then the s 9 as well.
Yes if their phones don't sell the company loses money but it won't skink them. They are not HTC.
 
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Yes but samsung don't only make chips, batteries and displays for their own devices. They make them for many others including Apple. The chios division have been doing well and posting profits. However they make so many things like washing machines and Tvs and dishwashers. The mobile division won't sink samsung.

Yes. And Apple is part of the consortium that just bought out Toshiba memory chip business. So....
And lg is cutting into Samsung oled display by securing orders for both Apple and google pixel xl series.


Chips, I am going to assume you mean the foundry, yeah that’s not so good either.
Samsung is in process of losing most of thier clients to TSMC. Starting with Qualcomm whopply will manufacture snapdragon 800 with TSMC 7nm finfet manufacturing process
 
You have changed your position from "Samsung mobile division" to "Samsung electronics", hmm why?

Samsung’s mobile division resides within Samsung elctronics along with thier components division.

We were talking about Samsung mobile then you brought up bulldozers and washing machines.
Am I missing something?

No, (and were going around in circles here) you don't get it all those things you mentioned, display division, memory division, battery division, are part of a mobile phone. iPhones could die tomorrow because something better comes out; yet we are still going to need bulldozers and oil-rigs (unless you think we have a better solution to bulldozers?)
 
Yes but samsung don't only make chips, batteries and displays for their own devices. They make them for many others including Apple. The chips division have been doing well and posting profits. However they make so many things like washing machines and Tvs and dishwashers. The mobile division won't sink samsung.
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They are talking about samsung as a whole, not just the mobile division.
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Yes if their phones don't sell the company loses money but it won't skink them. They are not HTC.

Oh right move the goal posts.
 
Could you be more wrong? Apple designes their aX serires of chips, who makes them? Samsung and TSCM.

Hahaha.
Ok there buddy. You have no idea what your taking about.

I would ask for your source where you claim Samsung is manufacturing the a11 but it doesn’t exist. Apple stopped using Samsung as a supplier for their a series a while ago and Qualcomm is following suit.
 
Yes. And Apple is part of the consortium that just bought out Toshiba memory chip business. So....
And lg is cutting into Samsung oled display by securing orders for both Apple and google pixel xl series.


Chips, I am going to assume you mean the foundry, yeah that’s not so good either.
Samsung is in process of losing most of thier clients to TSMC. Starting with Qualcomm whopply will manufacture snapdragon 800 with TSMC 7nm finfet manufacturing process
I would say the chip division is doing just fine

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....8/samsung-memory-chipmaker-world-biggest-2018
 
Hahaha.
Ok there buddy. You have no idea what your taking about.

I would ask for your source where you claim Samsung is manufacturing the a11 but it doesn’t exist. Apple stopped using Samsung as a supplier for their a series a while ago and Qualcomm is following suit.
OK tough guy who do you think makes those chips?
 
Here is my s9
Screenshot_20180514-112129_Speedtest.jpg
 
Hahaha.
Ok there buddy. You have no idea what your taking about.

I would ask for your source where you claim Samsung is manufacturing the a11 but it doesn’t exist. Apple stopped using Samsung as a supplier for their a series a while ago and Qualcomm is following suit.
Well Samsung are doing considerably well then to be the largest chip maker in the world if they aren’t making chips for Apple anymore.
 
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How cute they're making fun of a 10 month old phone. Then September will come and completely destroy Samsung in every possible way including LTE speed.

I'll give them points at poking fun at the retail employees who always seem to have a pre-canned answer why everything Apple does is "jesus".
 
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That article from January is outdated; the market isn’t reacting the way Samsung had anticipated.

Here are some current sources

Do you mean the foundry which is part of the semiconductor division

But the firm lags well behind Taiwan's TSMC in contract manufacturing: TSMC held a market share of 50.6 percent last year compared with Samsung's 7.9 percent, according to research firm IHS. It also trailed U.S.-based Global Foundries, which had a 9.6 percent share, and Taiwan-based UMC's (2303.TW) 8.1 percent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...riple-chip-foundry-market-share-idUSKBN1A916M


Ouch they they are third not first like some posters think.

“Samsung Elec loses Qualcomm’s 7-nm chip order to TSMC”

http://m.pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2017&no=391781

This is going to really hurt the chip division, they don’t actually have many clients remaining everyone is switching to TSMC.


Oh and this Ofcourse:

This just happened in June.

“Toshiba Hands The Keys To Its Memory Business To Bain-Led Consortium”

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/toshiba-sells-memory-business-bain,37163.html

Toshiba picks $18B Apple-supported group as winners in chip sale, huge blow for Western Digital

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose...al-apple-seagate-toshiba-chip-buyer-deal.html

The chips Apple are using in the MacBook Pro is from Toshiba, which they now jointly own.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastest-laptop-ssd-ever/
 
How cute they're making fun of a 10 month old phone. Then September will come and completely destroy Samsung in every possible way including LTE speed.

I'll give them points at poking fun at the retail employees who always seem to have a pre-canned answer why everything Apple does is "jesus".
LoL I don't remember any iphone destroying Samsung in LTE speeds.
Apple can at most match Samsung's LTE speeds but given their conflict with Qualcomm the chances for that to happen are quite small. But who knows maybe 2018 is the year iphones will finally have gigabit LTE Speeds capabilities and will be able to match the old Snapdragon 835.

Also this article was posted last year on this site.

iPhone 8 Shows Modest Improvements in Cellular Network Bandwidth Tests
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/28/iphone-8-cellular-bandwidth-tests/
 
Most features (especially those based on speeds and feeds) are a cat and mouse game. Apple puts out the new iPhone and it's faster than anything on the market. 6 months later, the highest end Samsung phone is slightly faster than the iPhone. And the iPhone won't get updated for another 6 months. At which point, the new iPhone will be fastest again.

To switch platforms in pursuit of which device happens to have the slight speed edge today, is totally stupid. Once you're invested in a platform, the cost of switching is huge. The platform someone is on would have to be seriously pissing them off before they should reasonably consider switching. And, some people do switch to Samsung. Some people are irked by some of Apple's design decisions. But, I doubt it's because for 6 months the iPhone is slightly behind in one speed metric.
 
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