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Samsung Also Seeking to Ban iPhone 4S Sales in Japan and Australia

mdriftmeyer said:
Is English your second or third language?

Not to single you out, per say, but I see a lot of Samsung sympathizers with the most embarrassingly poor English grammar skills. It leads me to conclude you're from the Far East and English is not your first language.

If not, I'd suggest making your understanding of English a priority if only for the sake of allowing the reader to more readily interpret your thoughts, whether for or against.

If you expect anyone to take your position more serious, you would be wise to actually learn the language more fully, with all it's contradictory constructs and contextual trappings.
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Oh look and decrepit English teacher is on the forum. Takes me back way to long ago. Who cares I don't. :rolleyes:

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Aldaris said:
Isn't samsung Korean? Or did I miss something...

I think that Apple is gaining some serious precedent, especially when a judge holds up the iPad and the galaxy tab, and Samsung officials can't tell the judge which is which from 10' away.

That being said I still love my Samsung Home Theater setup:cool:
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Nice, same here but I use my ipad 2 as a jukebox and AppleTV controller. Who says different companies can't get alone. :eek:

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toddybody said:
They're both a bunch of whiners.


But while were being honest with ourselves...the Galaxy Tab II looks nothing like the iPad...Apple should be going after the folks at ASUS for their blatant MBA rip off.
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They are so small and pose no danger, its basically a gaming laptop in black. Yes looks a lot like MBA/Air but its so far from a normal laptop that it would be hard to prove wrong doing. The real issue here is that Samsung also makes parts that Apple uses and they tend to tell Samsung what is coming up next. You can understand how that makes it a problem. Asus may copy but they have no internal knowledge of what is up next or even 2 or 3 years from now where samsung probably does.
 
toddybody said:
But while were being honest with ourselves...the Galaxy Tab II looks nothing like the iPad...
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Samsung's own lawyers have just recently sunk the claim that the Tab looks nothing like the iPad, by being unable to tell them apart at a measly 10 feet. That's going to end up hurting them, because it's something Apple can pull in to any current or future case. Having in-court statements from a Samsung attorney that they look too similar for someone who is (or at least should be) intimately familiar with the two devices at this point to tell them apart is a strong piece of evidence for Apple that the devices can (and likely will) be confused by the average consumer. (And it makes it that much harder for Samsung to dispute that particular claim, as well.)
 
daveathall said:
Thank you, however, the further link from the article you posted explains that the poor performance is with the LCD displays, or to be specific, that department, of which Apple is the largest buyer. The LCD displays are not the companies main source of income, as you alluded too, in fact, far from it. The article you posted explains this quite well in that to hide poor performance it has merged it with a much more profitable department.
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If it was not material to financial performance, Sammy would not have told the market.
 
wikus said:
Apple's lawyers shrunk down the size of the Samsungs to match the physical dimensions of the Apple's. They presented this in court too.

Apple does not deserve a free pass.
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A related tid bit - I was in the U-Bahn on Saturday, standing next to some young lass who pulled out a black, rectangular phone. She swiped her finger from left to right to unlock the screen, tapped on a square icon to open up a message, and began typing on the on screen keyboard. I only realised that it was not an iPhone at that point because the keyboard had the wrong colour. Now if you think it's ok for products to look so similar at a casual glance, then we may as well allow Adidos, Reebik and Sany Playstitions onto the market.
 
Juan007 said:
Good luck with that, Samsung. I fell over laughing reading this article, no doubt a bunch of Japanese judges will be doing the same shortly.

Apple innovates, Samsung copies, that's the truth. Nobody knows this better than the Japanese. Samsung has been reverse engineering Sony designs for years and using it as free R&D.
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I'm sure reverse engineering and copying costs Samsung something, just not nearly as much as doing R&D and taking risks on your own designs :)
 
Samsung is the second largest patent holder

"Apple innovates, Samsung copies"?

Samsung is the second largest patent holder in the world. Samsung holds nearly 10 time more patents vs. Apple. And these are some serios technologies, not just rectangles with rounded corners

RANK COMPANY 2010 Patents

1. International Business Machines Corp 5896

2. Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (Korea) 4551

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46. Apple Inc 563

http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
 
tbrinkma said:
Samsung's own lawyers have just recently sunk the claim that the Tab looks nothing like the iPad, by being unable to tell them apart at a measly 10 feet. That's going to end up hurting them, because it's something Apple can pull in to any current or future case. Having in-court statements from a Samsung attorney that they look too similar for someone who is (or at least should be) intimately familiar with the two devices at this point to tell them apart is a strong piece of evidence for Apple that the devices can (and likely will) be confused by the average consumer. (And it makes it that much harder for Samsung to dispute that particular claim, as well.)
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Ciclismo said:
A related tid bit - I was in the U-Bahn on Saturday, standing next to some young lass who pulled out a black, rectangular phone. She swiped her finger from left to right to unlock the screen, tapped on a square icon to open up a message, and began typing on the on screen keyboard. I only realised that it was not an iPhone at that point because the keyboard had the wrong colour. Now if you think it's ok for products to look so similar at a casual glance, then we may as well allow Adidos, Reebik and Sany Playstitions onto the market.
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PEOPLE!!! THIS IS NOT A LOOK AND FEEL CASE! Just thought I'd put that out there. This case regards the use of 3G communications technology. Now to say Samsung don't stand a chance is probably true, I honestly think that apple's popularity has a lot play when it comes to something like this, or the banning in Europe. All I can say is that if, and I do stress the IF, Apple have infringed on a Samsung patent(s) then it is only fair that either Apple pay fees to samsung, OR failing that, the iPhone be pulled from market.

Now before anyone goes ahead and says "Oh sammy is bad and apple is good therefore apple wins" I would like to stress that if a company is infringing on patents, NO MATTER WHICH company, then it runs the risk of having its products banned. Whether or not apple has infringed here is for the courts to decide.

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Also, when it comes to look and feel it is my opinion that 'look and feel' should be protected, but protected by something more like 'trademark' or 'copyright,' not patent. The idea of a patent was to protect an invention. Apple did not invent the rectangle with rounded edges and black borders, therefore they should not have a patent. Another form of IP, yes, but not a patent.
 
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Seems ...

Seems Samsung would be better served spending the money they are paying lawyers to alter their design. This is beginning to sound like a bunch of whiny executives pouting and stomping their feet.
 
Good luck Samsung.

I do know that iPad marketing in Japan is nearly 100%, literally none for Android tablets. I cannot find the source/link of it.
 
iBug2 said:
Are you comparing a gesture with an Airplane icon? Really? Gestures being patented makes as much sense as patenting a touchpad or a mouse. They are input methods. And quite successful ones if other companies copy the ones Apple patented instead of coming up with their own gestures.
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So should Apple have not copied Android's downward swipe for their notifications?

You really think that every device maker in the world should have their own set of gestures? What a user nightmare that would be.

It's one thing to patent the method behind recognizing a gesture. That can make sense. However, Apple isn't doing that. They want to grab the gestures themselves and claim them as their own.

Patenting a gesture is like patenting a guitar chord.
 
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saturn88 said:
"Apple innovates, Samsung copies"?

Samsung is the second largest patent holder in the world. Samsung holds nearly 10 time more patents vs. Apple. And these are some serios technologies, not just rectangles with rounded corners

RANK COMPANY 2010 Patents

1. International Business Machines Corp 5896

2. Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (Korea) 4551

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46. Apple Inc 563

http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
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You should read THIS and set it in comparison. Just a thought: If I have would have invented the cube, I could either patent "the cube" consisting of all its properties or file one patent for "90 degree edges," one for "as high as wide," one for "rectangular shape," one for "using a 3rd dimension," one for "when thrown, has a 1/6 chance to land on a particular side if given that the density of the material is evenly distributed and the fall height is reasonable," and so on. You get the picture? It is the quality of the patents, not the number. :rolleyes:
 
tbrinkma said:
Samsung's own lawyers have just recently sunk the claim that the Tab looks nothing like the iPad, by being unable to tell them apart at a measly 10 feet. That's going to end up hurting them, because it's something Apple can pull in to any current or future case. Having in-court statements from a Samsung attorney that they look too similar for someone who is (or at least should be) intimately familiar with the two devices at this point to tell them apart is a strong piece of evidence for Apple that the devices can (and likely will) be confused by the average consumer. (And it makes it that much harder for Samsung to dispute that particular claim, as well.)
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Have you ever used a tablet from 10 feet? I did not think so. Nobody uses it this way. Hence how is this "test" relevant to whether consumers will or will not confuse the two tablets?
 
mdriftmeyer said:
Is English your second or third language?

Not to single you out, per say, but I see a lot of Samsung sympathizers with the most embarrassingly poor English grammar skills. It leads me to conclude you're from the Far East and English is not your first language.

If not, I'd suggest making your understanding of English a priority if only for the sake of allowing the reader to more readily interpret your thoughts, whether for or against.

If you expect anyone to take your position more serious, you would be wise to actually learn the language more fully, with all it's contradictory constructs and contextual trappings.
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Oh my god!!!

I must be the most horrible, ignorant, scumbag member on macrumors for having offended you so terribly with my incredibly poor English grammar skills.

I'm so sorry, I didn't realize you expected an English paper on a public forum.


:rolleyes:
 
Mad-B-One said:
You should read THIS and set it in comparison. Just a thought: If I have would have invented the cube, I could either patent "the cube" consisting of all its properties or file one patent for "90 degree edges," one for "as high as wide," one for "rectangular shape," one for "using a 3rd dimension," one for "when thrown, has a 1/6 chance to land on a particular side if given that the density of the material is evenly distributed and the fall height is reasonable," and so on. You get the picture? It is the quality of the patents, not the number. :rolleyes:
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I would not consider rectangle with rounded corners patent as a quality patent. Regardless how you describe a rectangle, it is still a rectangle and Apple did not invented it. So it is a garbage patent and it will be eventually invalidated.

"You get the picture?" ;)
 
Stumbled upon this thread and insterested with the current topic :cool: From what I see. Apple selling product in terms of esthetique designs has changed the entire technology industry. This is a fact from my point of view that couldn't change, neither I'm an apple fangirl or not.

As to Apple ways of preventing their competitor for copying their design is what I think what a realistic company system should be. Apple action is just a mere pre-emption so that in the future there will be no other parties try to do so. If Apple just being laid back giving arguments to the counterfeiter like "Nah,It's fine, even with their new product, our product still is the best", other competitor will have the tendency to translate this message as "Apple's fine with them copying their design" and will result in the more frontal and subtle counterfeiter action in their future product innovation. In the mean time where other parties began openly created a counterfeited product from them, Apple will start panicking and trying to take some action but because of apple's way of undestimating things beforehand, they'll just be confronted by another argument from other parties "Why start fussing over it now? Back then you're fine about it"

But, since apple is smart enough to oversee this. Resulting in their current step to stop the infringement issue early. People may see this as a stupid things to argue over but it's a stepping stone that prevent apple to experience the same thing I've pointed out earlier.

Sorry for my not-so-perfect-english. You can correct my post however please don't bash my rights to voice opinions :eek:
 
greenmeanie said:
UMM because they are trying to get their lives back in order after a tsunami?
Maybe thats why.
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Ummm...You got the wrong country in mind. Better study up on your geography.

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tenderloinsteak said:
Stumbled upon this thread and insterested with the current topic :cool: From what I see. Apple selling product in terms of esthetique designs has changed the entire technology industry. This is a fact from my point of view that couldn't change, neither I'm an apple fangirl or not.

As to Apple ways of preventing their competitor for copying their design is what I think what a realistic company system should be. Apple action is just a mere pre-emption so that in the future there will be no other parties try to do so. If Apple just being laid back giving arguments to the counterfeiter like "Nah,It's fine, even with their new product, our product still is the best", other competitor will have the tendency to translate this message as "Apple's fine with them copying their design" and will result in the more frontal and subtle counterfeiter action in their future product innovation. In the mean time where other parties began openly created a counterfeited product from them, Apple will start panicking and trying to take some action but because of apple's way of undestimating things beforehand, they'll just be confronted by another argument from other parties "Why start fussing over it now? Back then you're fine about it"

But, since apple is smart enough to oversee this. Resulting in their current step to stop the infringement issue early. People may see this as a stupid things to argue over but it's a stepping stone that prevent apple to experience the same thing I've pointed out earlier.

Sorry for my not-so-perfect-english. You can correct my post however please don't bash my rights to voice opinions :eek:
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You managed to say it more clearly than most of the English-nazis on this thread. What Apple is doing is exactly what you said. :)
 
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