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Samsung and Google Delay Android Handset Launch in Wake of Steve Jobs' Death

All the while the "respect" goes on, in a lab in Korea...

Samsung updates the Nexus Prime to actually have a chance of matching the specs of the 4S (e.g. better camera)
 
lilj4425 said:
The Android fanboys say this every year and yet it never seems to come true.
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haha yeah so true... I'm not a Android fanboy. I always had iPhones, but this year I might change to Android, cause I don't like the iPhone 4 design, and now my friend look at this and cry:

Nexus Prime Specs:

Ultra Thin
4.65-inch Super AMOLED screen
Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
4G LTE Radio Ready
1gb of RAM
1.5 GHz Dual Core Processor
1080p HD Video
2 and 8 mp Camera
Wifi IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
 
KnightWRX said:
Well, considering they are announcing a device that pretty much destroys the iPhone 4S on every spec (you can get a preview by looking at the SGS II HD announced in Korea just a few weeks ago), with an updated OS that iOS still has to catch up to, with features Apple can only dream of (Google Wallet/NFC) and they were doing it 2 days before the launch of the iPhone 4S... Yeah I'd say it was a move to steal Apple's thunder.
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And yet, when the numbers are eventually counted, I'd bet the 4S turns out to sell more. Probably a lot more. I wonder why.
 
Mr. Pezman said:
I hate to belittle the possibility of these companies doing something "nice" but to me it all sounds like, "this is a great excuse for delaying our release while we work like crazy to "catch-up" or put together a better product to actually compete with Apple's new phone. All the while making ourselves look good."

This is not respect - it's politics and PR.
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agreed. they could very well be using this as an excuse and not necessarily to catch up(seems like this time it is apple that has played catch up with iphone 4s) but there might be some other unrelated issues with ice cream sandwich.
 
Cappy said:
This isn't about them having respect for Steve's death. People are deluding themselves if they believe that because there is too much money involved. It's likely they're waiting for the news of his death not dominate the tech news industry.
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The man just died. Its not like he died 2 weeks ago. No matter what they did it for whether strategy for business or respect, in the end it allows people to focus attention on the most important thing... respect for the fact that Steve is gone. Everyone respected Steve no matter what. For crying out loud Steve's dead and people here are muddling his death by trying to downplay peoples act of respect. If Apple did this I am sure you'd say how classy it was of them. Regardless, this is a classy move.
 
Who wants to be page 2 news?

This is the right thing to do, but it's also a really good business decision. The news this week is about the passing of Steve Jobs. If you release ANYTHING you'll be lucky to be page 2 news. It's classy, but it's also shrewd. Double win for Google/Samsung.
 
seduced said:
haha yeah so true... I'm not a Android fanboy. I always had iPhones, but this year I might change to Android, cause I don't like the iPhone 4 design, and now my friend look at this and cry:

Nexus Prime Specs:

Ultra Thin
4.65-inch Super AMOLED screen
Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
4G LTE Radio Ready
1gb of RAM
1.5 GHz Dual Core Processor
1080p HD Video
2 and 8 mp Camera
Wifi IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n
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Cry for what? A list of specs you don't even know it's true, and even then aren't' much better than the 4S anyway?

Get a life.
 
Cappy said:
This isn't about them having respect for Steve's death. People are deluding themselves if they believe that because there is too much money involved. It's likely they're waiting for the news of his death not dominate the tech news industry.
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I completely agree. I seriously doubt this has anything to do with respect and everything to do with wanting the most attention for their new product. That they say it's out of respect and trying to win brownie points and look like real nice guys in the process is disgusting.

Talk about opportunistic.
 
econgeek said:
The problem debating technology with you is that you are not capable of understanding technological arguments.

It's like trying to talk to a Ford or Chevy fan about the specifics of electronic ignition, when all they care about is how many cylinders the car has.

So, I'm going to rebut you, but I know you're an android. You're just regurgitating things you've heard but don't understand. I'm not going to debate you, because debate would require a human opponent, capable of reasoning. Any response from you will merely be proof that you're incapable of comprehending actual technical arguments. (because if you were, you'd either be quieted by reading this, and you wouldn't have made your post in the first place.)



Actually, that's worse. There are many aspects of "better", one of which is being able to use the device. When the screen is too large, it falls out of convenient reach of your fingers, making it more difficult to use.

Further, beyond 300 dpi, increased pixel resolution provides no benefit because you cannot perceive it. Maybe making the screen larger drops the ppi down below 300, but that doesn't make it better, it makes it worse, and if it doesn't drop it below 300, then there's no advantage to higher resolution.



Ok, this is a flat out lie. This tactic is from the days when everybody was using the same Intel chips. Then you could compare CPU models. But Apple makes their own CPUS, Apple doesn't reveal what's in them, and they are fairly proprietary.

So, where's the voice-recognition engine in your androids CPU? Facial recognition CPU? Which standard tests have you submitted it to? And how do you compare it to the one in the iPhone 4s's A5? That would be pretty difficult since the 4S isn't shipping now, wouldn't it?

Thought so.



This is the kind of stuff that makes it obvious you're an automaton, an android. The reason Apple doesn't use OLED technology is the terrible performance outdoors, you know, where people spend a lot of their time. You're fronting an inferior technology as if it is better than other inferior technologies and completely ignoring that Apple is using the superior (but more expensive) technology.



Another lie, given that Android doesn't provide a unified storage system like iOS does. Thus, the expansion of android devices is pretty pointless since Apps can't' use that space.



Which means less battery time. Oh, and you forgot to add: higher wattage components, less reliable software, designed with a focus on BS specs over usability, all of which add up to terrible battery performance, necessitating constantly replacing your battery.... and this is exacerbated by using a removable battery, which means a big chunk of the internal space goes to supporting this removable battery, meaning the battery itself is smaller.



This is how I know you're speaking from ignorance and have never used an iPhone. That's the thing- you guys buy crap, like windows, and you only ever use crap, so you assume that the iPhone is crap as well.

Android doesn't have Siri, or any of the other "little things" Apple has invented and patented over the past years. Of course, android stole Apple's multi-touch technology, and your phone will be removed from the market in due course as a result....but even with Apple publishing patents your favored rip-off artists can't copy the technology fast enough to keep up.



Android has a poor notification mechanism, and has never been ahead in this regard. This is another feature that android stole from the iPhone, but you lot, knowing nothing about even recent history, delude yourself into thinking that it was originated with android.

Same thing with multi-tasking. The original iPhone-- a year before any android phone shipped-- was multi-tasking. And I mean, true, pre-emptive, multitasking. This has been a feature of the phone since the beginning, since the phone runs a modern operating system (OS X) and has had that feature since the 1980s.

Apple limits apps ability to run in the background for performance. The number one complaint of android users, and the reason android phones have a %25 return rate, is terrible battery performance. And one of the reasons the battery is terrible is all those pointless background apps. Apple lets you run in the background where you need it... not for stupid stuff.

Here, your ignorance of basic technology has you claiming the defect in your preferred platform is a feature!



Siri, to mention. But then, your entire basis of understanding is to pretend like the iPhone is just another feature phone like android.

It isn't. It's a smartphone.



You post a picture of an obvious iPhone ripoff and act as if its original? Seriously?

Every touch phone on the market is a counterfeit iPhone. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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I'm no Android fan but you're wrong in many places-

1. SAMOLED is better than LCD for outdoor.

2. There's an app called App2SD which can send apps from phone to SD card.

3. Honestly iOS5 notifications look a lot like Android's.
 
MisterK said:
This is the right thing to do, but it's also a really good business decision. The news this week is about the passing of Steve Jobs. If you release ANYTHING you'll be lucky to be page 2 news. It's classy, but it's also shrewd. Double win for Google/Samsung.
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100% agreement.

gkpm said:
All the while the "respect" goes on, in a lab in Korea...

Samsung updates the Nexus Prime to actually have a chance of matching the specs of the 4S (e.g. better camera)
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You do realize the Galaxy SII already meets or exceeds most of the iPhone 4S already right?
 
jmpnop said:
I'm no Android fan but you're wrong in many places-

1. SAMOLED is better than LCD for outdoor.

2. There's an app called App2SD which can send apps from phone to SD card.

3. Honestly iOS5 notifications look a lot like Android's.
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Just to expand on point 2 since I know he will use it to go "OMG LOL ANDROID IS TEH SUXORZ U NEED A 3RD PARTY APP TO STORE APPS ON THE SD CARD", since either Android 2.2 or 2.3 (can't remember which) you can move apps to the SD card without a 3rd party app, it's built into the OS.
 
CptnJustc said:
Nice, but I don't think etiquette required that. Maybe there was a lot of anti-Apple marketing / rhetoric involved in the original plans?
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Not really. It's not anti-apple marketing. Samsung and Google wanted to make an iPhone 5 killer, but Apple didn't deliver. The new iPhone 4gs is just a phone to keep up with the old Samsung Galaxy S 2.

If Apple had done a proper iPhone 5, then probably Samsung and Google would have launched the new Phone. Samsung can afford to delay the launch with this iPhone 4gs.
 
gkpm said:
The slideshows and graphics they pass on to "independent fan-run blogs" (but curiously all dependent on Google ad revenue)
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So, any site that has google ad system is not independent?

Do you really acknowledge how ridiculous sound that?

Can you show me any of those slide with Apple and iPhone tombstones? Ah, you can't

I think the one which have to get a life os not the one you said to get one.

P.S. Can you show me one of those lawsuits Nokia was to have against those phone manufacturer that didn't licensed the patents Apple payed for?
 
Gotta love the haters. There's nothing Google or Samsung can do to ever get even the smallest amount of respect from them. The fact is they delayed out of respect of SJ's passing. They could have very easily gone on with their presentation and completely knocked down the iPhone 4S in comparison. There would have been absolutely nothing wrong with that. It would not have been in bad taste whatsoever. THAT'S BUSINESS. For those of you who think they delayed because of the possible Apple "bashing" contained in the presentation, grow some thicker skin. It's not bashing, it's called COMPETITION.
SJ would not have held back for anything or anyone. We all know if the reverse circumstances existed, SJ would have gone right on ahead and announced the next iphone. And the lot of you blind followers would have said how it's all smart business. That is a fact. Anyone that does not beleive that to be true has OD'd on the iKool Aid.
People don't really hate Apple, they hate the blind followers that spew hate for anything not Apple. All the while giving the rational thinking Apple customer a bad name.
Classy Move, but not necessary. Should have just gone with the presentation and put it head to head with the competition on the big screen for all to see.
 
seduced said:
haha yeah so true... I'm not a Android fanboy. I always had iPhones, but this year I might change to Android, cause I don't like the iPhone 4 design, and now my friend look at this and cry:

Nexus Prime Specs:

Ultra Thin--4S the same
4.65-inch Super AMOLED screen--a few pixels don't mean much
Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)-- Never been a fan of linux
4G LTE Radio Ready--Have fun with that 2GB cap
1gb of RAM- Android needs that much
1.5 GHz Dual Core Processor--The A5 smokes that
1080p HD Video- 4S has the same
2 and 8 mp Camera- 4S has the same
Wifi IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n--4S has the same
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Compare ;)
 
Samsung and Google delay the Prime to make it match the iPhone 4S:

- Contoured 4.65 inch screen to a flat 3.5 inch screen

- 1GB of RAM to 512MB of RAM

- Dual Core 1.5 processor to dual core 800"ish" mHz processor

- LTE to 14.4 mbps HSPA+


Hhhmm....
 
seduced said:
We'll see.... if the specs are correct, then it will blow the 4S !! Sorry, but I am right ;)
And **** up lil boy!!
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Why would I want a phone that blows the 4S. I'd rather get something that blows me.

You just don't get it. Not everything shows up in a list of specs.
 
CWT1965 said:
The Sun newspaper for me in its editorial summed it up for me "Half the world has his products and the other half craves them"

Steve revolutionised film, he revolutionised music, he revolutionised computing, he revolutionised the way we listen to music, the way we browse the net, Steve literally touched all of our lives in the case of many people without them even realising it, hardly anyone I have spoken to this last couple of days knew that Steve was the man behind Toy Story and cars, hardly anyone I know knew that we would all be entering command prompts today but for Steve, hardly anyone knew that the internet was created on one of Steve's computers.

It is a shame Steve is not a catholic if he was he would be a prime case for beatification.
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Wow. Taking your wisdom from The Sun?lol.

I doubt the people of Inner Mongolia know or care who Steve Jobs and Apple are. I doubt the tribes of Venezuela know or care what an iPad is or even want one. The world is far more vast than you apparently imagine :)
 
Unbelievably awesome.

But I don't think that was required. Steve himself was a man of work ethics. For him, work came first and everything was secondary. He would always want Apple to continue working irrespective of who died and what happened. I guess, he would have wanted that for anyone close to him including Google and Samsung.

But nevertheless, it sounds pleasant and I hope to see good gestures coming from everyone associated with Apple.

Now Samsung and Apple, bury the hatchet and stop suing each other. It's high time you set an example for the current generations.
 
Mr. Pezman said:
I hate to belittle the possibility of these companies doing something "nice" but to me it all sounds like, "this is a great excuse for delaying our release while we work like crazy to "catch-up" or put together a better product to actually compete with Apple's new phone. All the while making ourselves look good."

This is not respect - it's politics and PR.
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really dude, they just said they would not set back the release of the device and only the announcement. There are a lot of articles stating that this device would be far ahead of the 4s.


So get your head out your butt and realize people cared for the guy even if they worked for another company.
 
I believe there are a lot of high schoolers on this forum. Not everything in life is a conspiracy. They would have never scheduled an announcement in the first place if the device needed more time to get ready.

It's human nature to pick sides and fight for your side, but come on. We're talking about cell phones here. I think a few people getting so angry over this need to find a hobby or take medication or something. I can guarantee you real stakeholders (higher ups in Apple / those close to SJ) don't give a crap one way or another when they announce their product. Why do you?
 
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