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Not one Apple commercial. Guess their fans are not the football type.

Why would Apple waste a million dollars + running an ad when half the players on the field at the end of the game are running around talking on and taking pictures/video with their iPhones?! And at least three reporters I saw had iPads as well.

Don't think I saw a single person using any device with a stylus though...
Really a stylus in 2012? I thought it was one of those retro commercials where they would show how 15 years ago you had a Palm Pilot and now you can just use a finger!

What market study told Samsung that people want to use a highly losable mini pen to use their phone? (which I'm sure Samsung will replace for $19.95 a pop)
Didn't they learn anything from the Palm phones?
 
You CAN write on, or draw on an iPad with any number of styli. There were many to see at CES and MacWorld/iWorld. How many buy them?

Sure, not many people need them. With Galaxy Note though you get a phone and a pen for a price less than a iPhone. And yes GN's pen is pressure sensitive (128 levels) so you can't emulate this with iDevices. One obvious advantage of having a pen is when you need to draw a plan, a formula or a scheme. The finger is just not a good tool for that.
 
I am sorry to be contrarian and ignoring the rest... How did the "I'm a Mac" ads target the hardware? Most of the "Mac/PC" ads seemed to target the ease of use vs the PC (Hodgman vs. Long) instead of the hardware itself. Proneness to viruses, iMovie (& other digital media creation), etc., instead of Core i7 vs Core i5, or Mac Mini vs. Dell XPS, etc.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I do not like admitting that I'm wrong, but will do so in the face of proof.

I think the other poster using "hardware" wasn't the right word, and it was more along the lines of what you were getting at. The point still stands though that those ads did focus on the product experiences themselves rather than the product users.
 
The Samsung Note works without the pen; I think the pen is a bonus, even if I would not use it most of the time and prefer my finger as a method of navigation.


I'll bite my tongue and agree on this one because there is simply no way to contest it. Apple has a tighter reign on apps, and this has its positive points, that is indisputable.


I'll disagree with you here in one sense. Every release takes time to adopt to, but as a Touchpad owner (Running CM9 0.6) who has an iPad - the apps are coming. Apple is still ahead on the tablet front, but Android is starting to pose a serious threat. In the past week, three of my favorite apps have made tablet friendly versions for Android. Trying to downplay such momentum is ridiculous. The iPad is still ahead, but android is a looming threat.


I won't dispute this as I don't own an original iPhone, but the iPhone (original) was cutoff before 4.x, correct (it runs 3.x and earlier, correct?) What is the percentage of apps on the app store that runs on iOS 3.x and earlier?

I just think that touting the fact that it has a stylus as a "competitive advantage" because of it is just ridiculous. A very small minority want one, and for those that do, you can get a special stylus for under $5 to use on an iPad and iPhone, etc.

I am not arguing that android isn't growing and not providing stiff competition. But what I was "getting at" was that when iOS X.XX or whatever comes out, the developers have enough time to upgrade their app so it is ready for the new version ONCE the iOS software is released, ESPECIALLY mainstream apps.

Android on the other hand, when 4.0 came out, because coding on Android is so difficult due to the many different phone variations - it is time consuming. As such, when new Android software comes out, not many apps support it until a few weeks after - even mainstream apps like NFL! That is what is unacceptable.

As far as the iPhone works, original iPhones can't run iOS 4.0 or above, but can still run the last version of iOS 3.xx. As such, they will be able to access or download any apps that had at one time had an app that was good for your version iOS. So no, you won't always be able to download new versions or new apps that require iOS X.xx, but this is understandable...
 
I am sorry to be contrarian and ignoring the rest... How did the "I'm a Mac" ads target the hardware? Most of the "Mac/PC" ads seemed to target the ease of use vs the PC (Hodgman vs. Long) instead of the hardware itself. Proneness to viruses, iMovie (& other digital media creation), etc., instead of Core i7 vs Core i5, or Mac Mini vs. Dell XPS, etc.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I do not like admitting that I'm wrong, but will do so in the face of proof.

All the things you mentioned relate to hardware or software ( No Viruses, Easy iMovie, Easy OS, Less crashes) as i said. It didn't take aim particularly at the user... Just the system itself.

The Samsung ads directly try to make the people in the line look stupid.
 
Sure, not many people need them. With Galaxy Note though you get a phone and a pen for a price less than a iPhone. And yes GN's pen is pressure sensitive (128 levels) so you can't emulate this with iDevices. One obvious advantage of having a pen is when you need to draw a plan, a formula or a scheme. The finger is just not a good tool for that.

But people are oblivious to that, I've read the previous pages and many seem to think it only works with the stylus.

The way the Note interacts with the S-Pen is similar to the Wacom tablets.
 
apple fanboys are hypocrites, don't you remember that apple did the same exact thing in those mac vs pc advertisements?
 
I think the other poster using "hardware" wasn't the right word, and it was more along the lines of what you were getting at. The point still stands though that those ads did focus on the product experiences themselves rather than the product users.

yep probably the wrong choice of words. but you get my point. :)
 
I think the other poster using "hardware" wasn't the right word, and it was more along the lines of what you were getting at. The point still stands though that those ads did focus on the product experiences themselves rather than the product users.

While taking the easy road of mocking the product users (in the sense of mocking those who waited in line), the newer Samsung ads (at least, those that aired in later quarters) mocked the experience overall and had those users breaking "free" of the Apple lines - in a deeper sense, referring to loyalty and the new features of the samsung devices instead of the users themselves (they saw the features and were compelled to convert).
 
I think the other poster using "hardware" wasn't the right word, and it was more along the lines of what you were getting at. The point still stands though that those ads did focus on the product experiences themselves rather than the product users.

Those ads told very little about Apple product. They pictured a stupid PC man and smug Mac man, that's all. Samsung ads tell just as much about their phones as Mac-vs-PC ads told about Macs. They mention:

- larger screen size
- availability of pen interface
- availability of fast data connections (LTE)

More importantly, Samsung ads clearly work for they definitely get the attention.
 
All the things you mentioned relate to hardware or software ( No Viruses, Easy iMovie, Easy OS, Less crashes) as i said. It didn't take aim particularly at the user... Just the system itself.

The Samsung ads directly try to make the people in the line look stupid.

All of the above that I targeted seemed to target the bundle (not hardware alone), just saying :cool:

I get your "targeting the user" point quite clearly, I'm just opposing the point that the Hodgman/Long ads were hardware focused.
 
What are you talking about.People never looked each other in the face before Face time.

ORLLY? I'm pretty sure that iChat existed before any android integration. And only a few androids had a front facing camera before the iPhone 4S such as the HTC 4G phone. But to my knowledge, none of them had "video chat" until facetime was released or announced. I could be wrong, but it most certainly was not an "android" invention.
 
You're right. they didn't target the hardware. They targeted the software.

which still isn't the users

Indeed, but the Samsung ads in the later quarters seemed to break free of that "mocking the users sense" (which I've never particularly been impressed with - it's easy and cheap) and move on to the user experience - e.g. those who saw the note left and were compelled to convert to an alternative experience instead of accepting what they knew.

Personal opinion, feel free to disagree with it (I will read your opinion, certainly).
 
ORLLY? I'm pretty sure that iChat existed before any android integration. And only a few androids had a front facing camera before the iPhone 4S such as the HTC 4G phone. But to my knowledge, none of them had "video chat" until facetime was released or announced. I could be wrong, but it most certainly was not an "android" invention.

But...but... my feature phone had video calling before FaceTime.

Behold, the Sony Ericsson K800, released in mid-2007.

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What's that on the top of the phone? It's a front-facing camera. It's not even an Apple invention, you're just swallowing Kool-Aid.
 
All the things you mentioned relate to hardware or software ( No Viruses, Easy iMovie, Easy OS, Less crashes) as i said. It didn't take aim particularly at the user... Just the system itself.

The Samsung ads directly try to make the people in the line look stupid.

Are you trying to say that Hodgman looked sharp in Apple commercials?
 
ORLLY? I'm pretty sure that iChat existed before any android integration. And only a few androids had a front facing camera before the iPhone 4S such as the HTC 4G phone. But to my knowledge, none of them had "video chat" until facetime was released or announced. I could be wrong, but it most certainly was not an "android" invention.

There were a few phones in the early 2000's that had front facing cameras and allowed Facetime-like videochat over 3G. It had awful video quality, was VERY expensive and disappeared after a year or so...
 
The Galaxy Note shows real promise, unfortunately Android 4.0 ICS has not been released for the Note. Once it gets ICS, anyone who is mildly competent in using a mobile device would would switch to ICS from iOS 5. Until then, iOS 5 is superior.
 
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Why do so many of these lame competitor commercials end up showing a bunch of people going to a house/street/rooftop party that NO ONE would seriously end up at due to their stupid mobile device? A phone will NOT make people popular, thin, or socially adept, but that's all I see on non Apple commercials for the past year or so.
 
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