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Oh, and Samsung should seriously consider doing something original. Just one. What a bunch of lazy, patent-infringing, credit-stealing losers. It's seriously ridiculous. I'll save them the trouble and name the next device for them. Prepare to be ****** amazed - The Sort-Off-All-New Samsung DeJavu 6S

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They wouldn't infringe on patents if the stupid patent system didn't give Apple patents on stupid things.
 
If it's okay I'll address your last comment first. If it was mine, I would be pissed. But that's hypothetical. The reality is, it's not mine. In reality it's two monstrous companies that make billions of dollars a month. My level of concern for either company rises just a little bit above their concern for me. Reading that, it may sound a little cynical but it's not. I just don't get worked up over companies. I own products from them both. I like them equally; which is to say I like some of their products.

If I was to humanize them, it would be as bullies; but different types of bullies. Samsung would the type that cheats off your paper. They'd make a copy and sell it to other kids. Daring you to do something about it. Apple would be the type to see kids playing with a baseball and take it so no one else could play with it. Then they'd come out the next day with their name on the ball and charge you to play. They would change the name of the ball to spheroid and make you think it was theirs all along.

As for profiteering, unfortunately, it's the way large companies work. If you can find a large company that doesn't...

Anywho, I don't begrudge Apple fans their outrage. People have passions. I do as well. Tech companies just aren't one them.

If you are thinking of companies as a whole, I completely agree with you. However, when you think about the engineers and graphical designers that put in hundreds of hours of hard work to make their product unique and delightful for their customers, it's outrageous. Can you imagine if an icon or a menu function that you've worked your ass off refining for the past 6 month was suddenly replicated by another company and sold without any reimbursement? Mega corporations as a whole may be only interested in profiteering, but behind each company's products are thousands of people contributing their intellectual property to their creation.
 
If you are thinking of companies as a whole, I completely agree with you. However, when you think about the engineers and graphical designers that put in hundreds of hours of hard work to make their product unique and delightful for their customers, it's outrageous. Can you imagine if an icon or a menu function that you've worked your ass off refining for the past 6 month was suddenly replicated by another company and sold without any reimbursement? Mega corporations as a whole may be only interested in profiteering, but behind each company's products are thousands of people contributing their intellectual property to their creation.

Please check out posts 297 & 304.

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Samsung is not only pirating Apples designs. But their ads too.

This video sort of makes Apple seem stupid. Because they do this exact same ****, just in a different way. Praising their production and materials as precious jewels. Making their products more and more elitistic.

This video sort of makes Samsung seem like a stupid parody of Apple. Is it a South Korean special ability to not realise when you look dumb? "Look at our edge! Its bent! You want this!"

I think that’s the point. The ad could have been made by Rory Bremner!

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I think the point is, there is a reason, a choice was made in the positioning of the crown. It was not placed for the convenience of manufacturing. When I see aligned vs unaligned elements in the phone comparisons it does read that it just didn't matter to the samsung designers. Or maybe they were overruled. It seems that it was allowed because it was easy.

When I see the button and stem on different lines in the Apple Watch, I may not love the choice but I know that it wasn't a arbitrary decision or one driven by the engineer packing the shell.

I used to have a job where I figured 85% of what I felt was needed would be noticed by even the most discriminating. I imagined that that 85% would be different for different people. I still aimed for 100% of my vision and hopefully settled in the high nineties. I think Apple has a similar philosophy. I think Samsung says, "close enough".

Rubbish.
 
How I see this going:

Samsung: Guys, it was obviously a parody!

...you know, the way people and companies do when they want to backtrack on a weird, dissonant action they made.

And anyway, even if it was meant to be a parody, it seems like an odd marketing campaign for their sexy new phone. What could it be, "look how pretentious Apple is with their marketing, by the way here's our new phone"? The dislike bar on the video shows that people clearly are not getting/appreciating the joke. :eek:
 
Person in the Samsung ad sounds masculine while Ive sounds feminine like Cook. But who cares about ads anyway. The materials, quality and design in the Galaxy S6 series are superior to iPhone 6 because the first is made with aircraft quality corrosion resistant Aluminum 6013 and scratch/shatter resistant Corning Gorilla Glass 4 while the second is made with mass produced low grade Aluminum 6003 used in bleachers and low grade scratch prone glass. The positive with cheaper quality means higher profit for Apple and better return for investors. If you're smart buy Galaxy S6 and invest in AAPL. :cool:
 
Wow...Um...You convinced me...that your phones look nice. Apple on the other hand convinced me that the product both looks nice and is DURABLE.

Apple 1, Samsung 0. Nice copycat ad though.
 
Person in the Samsung ad sounds masculine while Ive sounds feminine like Cook. But who cares about ads anyway. The materials, quality and design in the Galaxy S6 series are superior to iPhone 6 because the first is made with aircraft quality corrosion resistant Aluminum 6013 and scratch/shatter resistant Corning Gorilla Glass 4 while the second is made with mass produced low grade Aluminum 6003 used in bleachers and low grade scratch prone glass. The positive with cheaper quality means higher profit for Apple and better return for investors. If you're smart buy Galaxy S6 and invest in AAPL. :cool:

Well, since not many people are buying Galaxy phones nowadays you must be one of the few remaining smart people in the world. Thanks for stopping by the Apple forums...and remember to say hi to all the Mensa members in the Samsung forums. :rolleyes:
 
Wow...Um...You convinced me...that your phones look nice. Apple on the other hand convinced me that the product both looks nice and is DURABLE.

Apple 1, Samsung 0. Nice copycat ad though.
I'm genuinely curious - what exactly convinced you that the product is durable (for Apple)
 
gotta love fanboys...

IMO competition always drives innovation so the best that samsung can do will drive apple and stretch their creative abilities. Win / win.
 
gotta love fanboys...

IMO competition always drives innovation so the best that samsung can do will drive apple and stretch their creative abilities. Win / win.


The problem is that Samsung is not relying on innovation. All they seem to be doing lately is copying everything Apple does.

When Samsung tried to innovate, consumers were not interested...so now their strategy is to emulate Apple. But don't worry, Apple has been stretching their creative abilities for years now (even before Samsung came along with their "innovation").

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Sure they aren't :rolleyes:

Rolleyes don't change reality.
 
"... Carving from blocks of aerospace-grade aluminum, ..."

The person speaking is just trying to mimic an English accent. Samsung just HAS to copy everything Apple does... down to design videos, and the accent.

No, he's a Brit. But it's recorded for North America.
 
After painfully reading through this thread, I gave up. The amount of people who failed miserably tried to twisted whatever they wanted that Samsung do not thieve Apple in every aspect from ads narrator to product design is mind boggling. :roll eyes:

Should we treat Samsung like a low life criminal though? Of course not.
 
I thought its only the GOP that recently used "elite" as an insult; though in their case it has extended to anyone with a bi-coastal or scientific education. Ironic because initially it was mostly used by Marxists and anarchists :) (you know, that whole thing about those "bourgeois pigs" (sic))

Anyway, Apple has always focused on the upper half of the middle class to rich crowd. Moneyed creatives, intellectuals, liberal arts professionals were the core of its buyers for decades. They moved a bit beyond that with the Ipod and low end Ipads, but not with the Iphone. When your cheapest phone is twice the price of the competition, it is not made for the working poor (which sadly constitute a lot of the US population).

Smart phone penetration in the US is about 75% and Apple has about 45% of that. That means about 36% of the adult population has an Iphone; a group that is mostly upmarket. About 60% of Apple's phones are sold to those which make $60K and more a year (21.5%), 80% are sold to those with more than $30K a year.
.http://fortune.com/2014/02/21/apple-took-65-of-u-s-phone-buyers-making-100000-a-year/

I never got that people think Apple's goal is to bring a top notch experience to the masses. It never was. That it turned out to sell so much Iphone was almost accidental (considering Jobs initial sales goal for the device).

I think Apple is now showing signs of branding themselves more as a luxury brand, for ordinary people.

The focus on high end materials, phones, watches and laptops in gold (compared to the plastic of 2008), is a big contrast to the "Hello I´m a PC" ad campain they had running for long.

Under Cooks leadership this change is showing more and more. And to me marks a slight departure from the Apple I bought into just 7 years ago. And to us in europe, "elitistic" is a bad word, because we make a point of not being so. But make our products, services and politics for the common man. Maybe this is not the case in the US, where you are obsessed with success.
 
LOL after seeing all that together, how one could NOT think Samsung is blatantly ripping off Apple is amazing. My wife is currently using a GS5 and I have one as well, I used it until the 6plus came out. I simply don't like Android and feel iOS is far superior for me. :p

My personal view is that iOS is designed for folk who can't be trusted with tech, a sort of hold your hand device.

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There is a difference between simply increasing the size of a device and copying unique features.

But Apple stated there was no need to have a larger screen and they would not make one - how did that work out? I don't seem to remember them being the first to market with a tablet either.

I own Apple kit but I don't have this sycophantic bucolic view of the company like the cult of Apple in the U.S.
 
I think Apple is now showing signs of branding themselves more as a luxury brand, for ordinary people.

The focus on high end materials, phones, watches and laptops in gold (compared to the plastic of 2008), is a big contrast to the "Hello I´m a PC" ad campain they had running for long.

Under Cooks leadership this change is showing more and more. And to me marks a slight departure from the Apple I bought into just 7 years ago. And to us in europe, "elitistic" is a bad word, because we make a point of not being so. But make our products, services and politics for the common man. Maybe this is not the case in the US, where you are obsessed with success.

You really believe any car from BMW, Mercedes, Audi is a common man car! Proportionally to salary, those cars a way upmarket even from what Apple is offering. Most consumer goods in Europe are more expensive (even those made there) than in the US (including the Iphone).

If anything, the only reason elitist would be a worse thing in many European countries is that its probably talking about the 0.5% of society there, and those people have been there for a very long time.

Because social mobility is worse in Europe than in the US historically, those people have been entrenched there a very long time. The difference is wealth is not as big but it is more entrenched. This is especially true in Mediterranean countries like France, Italy, spain, etc.

In fact, social mobility is one of the reason why socialist and communist parties really didn't take root in the US; when you think theres a chance you might get rich, being against the rich is less interesting...

I think you perspective is very narrow. Historically, the Apple of the 2002-2007 Ipod era is slightly an aberration compared to everything that came before and since. In fact, the Ipod is probably their cheapest product range ever (though not the initial one, which was closer to an Iphone price range in 2015 dollar), and even then, it was way upmarket compared to other mp3 players. The way Apple acts now is a lot closer to the way it has acted historically.

The reason Apple is going back slightly upmarket is simple (the Sports watch is in fact less upmarket than the Iphone btw), differentiation and entrenchment. If you make something someone else can't do, or can't do well, you ensure your survival and your profitability. Apple has been in a forever battle against commoditization; that they've been able to fight it off for so long is in itself a testament to their unwavering vision.

BTW, gold exist mainly to please the asian market, nothing else.
 
God, I hate copy cats so much!!!!

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It's ironic that you chose to present Braun products as examples of Apple copying from others.

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Dieter Rams is the renowned designer behind those famous Braun products. He and Jony Ive have a mutual admiration for each other's work. If Rams felt that Ive had shamelessly copied his work, one would think he would have a less flattering view of Apple.

Dieter Rams: Apple has achieved something I never did
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...Apple-has-achieved-something-I-never-did.html

"Apple are one of the very few brands, almost unique in the modern world, who are not devaluing the word “designer”."

"I have always observed that good design can normally only emerge if there is a strong relationship between an entrepreneur and the head of design. At Apple this situation exists - between Steve Jobs and Jony Ive."

"Apple and Vitsoe are relatively lone voices treating the discipline of design seriously in all corners of their businesses. They understand that design is not simply an adjective to place in front of a product’s name to somehow artificially enhance its value. Ever fewer people appear to understand that design is a serious profession; and for our future welfare we need more companies to take that profession seriously."

Ad an addendum to the posts above: https://youtu.be/RWoprlPMBnA
 
My personal view is that iOS is designed for folk who can't be trusted with tech, a sort of hold your hand device.




Ha...you better get that view out of your head soon then. I'm a database administrator and I work in a tech company. The majority of the software engineers (actually, the vast majority of the people who work there, not just the techies) use iPhones. Sure, there are a couple of guys here and there who use Android (a couple even use Windows phones), but most of the folk at my company (I don't know if you can trust them with tech, but at least they were able to get a job with tech) use an iPhone (and an iPad if they own a tablet).


It seems that Android fans would want the world to believe that iPhone are for dummies and Android is for geeks. In my experience, most geeks (programmers) use iPhones. It could have something to do with the fact that we spend most of our days making sure code works correctly...we don't have a lot of time and energy to mess with our phones. IMO, Android is for tech wannabes...who want to sell the illusion that they are so savvy because they know the ins and outs of a phone OS.
 
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