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Samsung is definitely innovating and their hardware design is just beyond what the other companies are doing (leap frogged the competitors including all the android manufacturers; and also pushing the envelop) . Apple needs to step up with the hardware game. Android software is getting better and better. In no doubt, it can surpass iOS already. People need to open their eyes to the possibilities. Apple can learn from this.
 
My knowledge of physics. o_O

Every single source on the planet with any knowledge of low current wireless charging. o_O

Ever wonder where that extra heat is coming from when you wireless charge your phone? That's energy that isn't ending up stored in your battery.... o_O

You can't convert electric current into a magnetic field and back without some pretty significant losses.

It's not a particularly efficient process. o_O
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No, it's just inefficient because it is inefficient - simple as that. I don't think it's a particularly bad feature - I do like the idea of being able to top off earbuds in a pinch if needed. Marketing it as being able to share power with a friend is a little disingenuous because it won't work that well in implementation. A huge portion of that energy you're draining from your battery to 'give' to a friend will just be lost in the process as heat. You'll be draining 10% of your battery to give a friend 5%. (The ratio will probably be much worse, especially if you both have cases on your phone.)

Honestly, it's just an example of a feature that sounds great but won't work well in implementation and people will be disappointed by it (except for maybe topping off earbuds or a watch that don't take much energy to begin with).

I'm not a fan of low current wireless charging in general. It is just a really inefficient technology that leads to further waste of energy. I prefer things that increase efficiency. It also takes like 10x longer to wireless charge your phone vs using a fast charger...
You haven't even tried it and are talking about how its not efficient... lol.
 
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Agreed. My Xs max is too expensive for what it does. The S10 and even the note 9 does much more and are worthy of their price tags. Apart from the ecosystem I’ve nothing to say about the Xs max.

not to mention the wifi issues...... I get it Apple is simple and clean but please get the quality under control. I think if they decide really focus on the quality, it can be good. Also what Samsung doing is just freakin exciting, Apple take notes!
 
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You haven't even tried it and are talking about how its not efficient... lol.

I don't need to. Because I know how wireless charging works.

Unless Samsung managed to rewrite the laws of physics and electromagnetism (for which they should receive a Nobel prize if true), it will be inefficient.

I'm sure it all just seems like magic to you, but there are fundamental principles involved in wireless charging technologies.

Converting chemically stored energy into an electric current and then into a magnetic field and then back into an electric current and back into chemically stored energy isn't exactly an elegant operation.
 
I don't need to. Because I know how wireless charging works.

Unless Samsung managed to rewrite the laws of physics and electromagnetism (for which they should receive a Nobel prize if true), it will be inefficient.

I'm sure it all just seems like magic to you, but there are fundamental principles involved in wireless charging technologies.

Converting chemically stored energy into an electric current and then into a magnetic field and then back into an electric current and back into chemically stored energy isn't exactly an elegant operation.
Sure sure, if it was Apple's it would be magical and would then be efficient. No point arguing really.
 
Sure sure, if it was Apple's it would be magical and would then be efficient. No point arguing really.

If Apple did it, it would be just as inefficient. Not sure what you're going for here. Any manufacturer could implement very easily if they wanted to.

No point arguing with someone who has no basic knowledge of how things actually work.
 
If Apple did it, it would be just as inefficient. Not sure what you're going for here. Any manufacturer could implement very easily if they wanted to.

No point arguing with someone who has no basic knowledge of how things actually work.

You're not saying anything specifically relevant though. You're just stating that you know things.

Anyways, I have the S10+ on pre-order. I'll know the truth when I test out myself.
 
I don't need to. Because I know how wireless charging works.

Unless Samsung managed to rewrite the laws of physics and electromagnetism (for which they should receive a Nobel prize if true), it will be inefficient.

I'm sure it all just seems like magic to you, but there are fundamental principles involved in wireless charging technologies.

Converting chemically stored energy into an electric current and then into a magnetic field and then back into an electric current and back into chemically stored energy isn't exactly an elegant operation.

Wow man you think this is made to fully charge your accessories. I cant tell you how many times I've gone to the gym thinking I would have enough juice in my headphones to last.

This is great to get you up and going in a pinch.5 min charging the buds will get you through your workout.
 
You're not saying anything specifically relevant though. You're just stating that you know things.

Anyways, I have the S10+ on pre-order. I'll know the truth when I test out myself.

Stating that wireless charging is not efficient and therefore "sharing" power from one phone to another won't be as "magical" as it is made to seem isn't relevant?
Wow man you think this is made to fully charge your accessories. I cant tell you how many times I've go to the gym thinking I would have enough juice in my headphones to last.

This is great to get you up and going in a pinch.5 min charging the bus will get you through your workout.

Agreed. Never said any different. I said I thought that would be a useful earlier.

In all of Samsung's marketing materials they show the phone charging another phone - I'm just stating that doing that won't be all that it is cracked up to be and will drain their battery FAST, while providing very little power to what they are charging. In a pinch, it might be useful. I don't think I've said anything otherwise?

Bob: "My phone is going to die, can you charge me up 5% using Power Share?"

Fred: "Sure! I still have 50% battery, I can afford to go down to 45%"

::20 minutes later::

Fred: "Ok, looks like your phone is up 5%. Here you go."

::2 minutes later::

Fred: "OMG! My battery is down to 20% now! What happened!?"
 
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Note 7... I'll have to revisit it and see if its better... I remember not being able to find a decent text messaging app to use. My messages would either not go through, I couldn't send a picture or a simple video... I went running back to imessage.


Use google messages. Or switch to WhatsApp like everyone else :)
 
Stating that wireless charging is not efficient and therefore "sharing" power from one phone to another won't be as "magical" as it is made to seem isn't relevant?


Agreed. Never said any different. I said I thought that would be a useful earlier.

In all of Samsung's marketing materials they show the phone charging another phone - I'm just stating that doing that won't be all that it is cracked up to be and will drain their battery FAST, while providing very little power to what they are charging. In a pinch, it might be useful. I don't think I've said anything otherwise?

Bob: "My phone is going to die, can you charge me up 5% using Power Share?"

Fred: "Sure! I still have 50% battery, I can afford to go down to 45%"

::20 minutes later::

Fred: "Ok, looks like your phone is up 5%. Here you go."

::2 minutes later::

Fred: "OMG! My battery is down to 20% now! What happened!?"
It's funny.. but you forgot one thing.. it's Samsung, not Apple. Only iPhones have this weird behavior where battery strength drops from 80% to 15% at random.
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128gb starting at 900. That’s the way iPhone should be priced. After 10 years with iPhone I may finally switch. Just don’t know if I could do Android though.
It will be fine. I did and I never miss iPhone anymore. My rest of the family has iPhones.
 
Giving away $650 with every phone makes the s10 appear to be a loss leader in exchange for market share.
They seem to be offering the $550 trade in for all the S10 models. Again, I don't believe most will get $550 for their phone once Samsung gets it in their hands on it and comes back with a much lower offer. If that's the case, I can get $550 for my iPhone X, spend another $450 on 10+, and then turn around and sell the 10+ for $900 unopened. That's a quick $450 profit for me. In essence, I would get $900 for a used iPhone X.
 
I don't need to. Because I know how wireless charging works.

Unless Samsung managed to rewrite the laws of physics and electromagnetism (for which they should receive a Nobel prize if true), it will be inefficient.

I'm sure it all just seems like magic to you, but there are fundamental principles involved in wireless charging technologies.

Converting chemically stored energy into an electric current and then into a magnetic field and then back into an electric current and back into chemically stored energy isn't exactly an elegant operation.
You are 100 percent correct, wireless charging is inefficient, so much lost energy in the process, but let's wait and see how well it actually works before making assumptions. For its intended purpose which will be charging accessories at a pinch it could work pretty well, lets say a earbuds battery case is 300mah, even if the S10 only has an efficiency of 50% . (i've read that it can actually be up to 80% efficiency btw) it will only drain 600mah out of the S10, with a 4100mah battery that's a hit that can easily be taken and that's a worse case scenario.
 
https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-s10/buy/

ok this has me tempted. 10+ 128GB version at £899 plus free Galaxy buds, and potentially even more off through device trade in's.

I like iOS and I'm somewhat a devotee of iCloud and iMessage but this is a serious deal.

Can Apple justify their prices against this?

Also, Apple charges you an extra $50 / £50 for a fast charger whereas it's in the box with Samsung
 
They seem to be offering the $550 trade in for all the S10 models. Again, I don't believe most will get $550 for their phone once Samsung gets it in their hands on it and comes back with a much lower offer. If that's the case, I can get $550 for my iPhone X, spend another $450 on 10+, and then turn around and sell the 10+ for $900 unopened. That's a quick $450 profit for me. In essence, I would get $900 for a used iPhone X.
Why would anyone that can get the same deal buy the s10 for $900? I wouldn’t.
 
It's funny.. but you forgot one thing.. it's Samsung, not Apple. Only iPhones have this weird behavior where battery strength drops from 80% to 15% at random.

Nothing to do with "random" drops in battery capacity. Reread what I wrote.

If you want to go there.... Didn't Samsung have some problem where their batteries were starting on fire and they had to recall an entire model of phone? :)
 
Why would anyone that can get the same deal buy the s10 for $900? I wouldn’t.
Because not everyone wants to trade a phone in. Some people keep their old phone as a backup. My point is that $550 trade in is probably too good to be true. They will get your old phone, evaluate it, and then come back with a much lower offer.
 
Know why Samsung isn't hyping the fact that all of their phones still have a headphone jack? Because it's a feature that should just be there.

And they have a smaller, less expensive version without the curved edge screen. Good.

But... after using a pixel 3 and seeing that camera and dark mode in action, though, I don't know how Android photo buffs could consider going Samsung at this point. The screens are great, though.
 
Samsung isn't cheapening out like Apple. Looks like they're including a 25W fast wired charger plus every S10 model has 4.5W reverse wireless charging while Apple only includes 5W slow wired charger.

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Bring it on Samsung, Apple needs the pressure. I love the infinity rounded edges display.

I have to say though, the uneven bezel symmetry at bottom/top in the S10 is killing me, why put a notch or hole, if the chin is still going to be there and uneven? Apple has it right making it symmetrical.

For the love of God, I can't figure out why these companies can't get rid of the chin. The iPhone is still the "only" phone I've seen with symmetrical bezels. I don't think these manufactures realize how much of a disservice they're doing their own device.
 
Because not everyone wants to trade a phone in. Some people keep their old phone as a backup. My point is that $550 trade in is probably too good to be true. They will get your old phone, evaluate it, and then come back with a much lower offer. Plus you have to send it in before the S10 is released so you may be without a phone.

I did an S7 trade in to get an S9 dirt cheap. I got full credit despite that battery being toast. Samsung was very generous to me, at least.
 
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