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The camera was quite a lot better than on the X and the speakers are significantly improved and that’s it. They were decent upgrades but there are more going from the S9 to the S10

Wide angle camera
In display finger print sensor
Fast reverse wireless charging

They are the big updates

But there are also important things like significant increased screen to body ratio and
HDR plus display and recording and other camera upgrades.
Not to mention the bigger battery, much better speakers and the move to a 7nm chip. Oh and WiFi 6 support.

Actually now that I think of it i cant think of anything significant that Samsung could have done better hardware wise with what's available at this point in time.
 
The camera was quite a lot better than on the X and the speakers are significantly improved and that’s it. They were decent upgrades but there are more going from the S9 to the S10

Wide angle camera
In display finger print sensor
Fast reverse wireless charging

They are the big updates

But there are also important things like significant increased screen to body ratio and
HDR plus display and recording and other camera upgrades.

Plus things that don't count as upgrades but are still missing from iPhones; expandable storage, second physical SIM, multitasking OS, headphone jack, NFC chip usable by 3rd party apps, included in box fast charger, SIM tool, screen protector, and case.
 
Plus things that don't count as upgrades but are still missing from iPhones; expandable storage, second physical SIM, multitasking OS, headphone jack, NFC chip usable by 3rd party apps, included in box fast charger, SIM tool, screen protector, and case.
Yes. I don’t even need to worry about buying abother fast charger because it comes in the box. Don’t forget gear Vr and Dex.
 
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I'm due to change handsets soon. In the past have had iPhones, Windows phones and (Samsung) Android phones. None of them have been perfect, but I cannot think of one single reason to get an iPhone.
 
Not to mention the bigger battery, much better speakers and the move to a 7nm chip. Oh and WiFi 6 support.

Actually now that I think of it i cant think of anything significant that Samsung could have done better hardware wise with what's available at this point in time.
Do I need a new router to access WiFi 6?

No I didn’t think they could have done better. It’s pretty perfect. Only think is I wished they could have kept the iris scanner because intelligent scan was pretty nice but I suppose the hole would have been bigger. I prefer to have an FPS over facial recognition anyway.
 
Do I need a new router to access WiFi 6?

No I didn’t think they could have done better. It’s pretty perfect. Only think is I wished they could have kept the iris scanner because intelligent scan was pretty nice but I suppose the hole would have been bigger. I prefer to have an FPS over facial recognition anyway.
Don’t believe so, just means faster speeds i think. So WiFi wise nothing should change.
 
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Don’t believe so, just means faster speeds i think. So WiFi wise nothing should change.
Wow that’s awesome. Oh I forgot about Bluetooth 5.0. I’m sure the iPhone XS has it but Apple have locked it down so you can’t pair 2 Bluetooth devices to your phone at the same time.
 
This is the first time I’ve ever really loved a Samsung phone. The S10 is beautiful. I’m super invested in the Apple ecosystem so I can’t see myself ever switching but I really hope this drives Apple to compete better.

We do say that every year though...
 
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What stood out to you about the last few iPhones?

All the XS got was a slightly better camera, but I guess you don't care about cameras since the S10 with triple lens didn't stand out to you.
Basically the better display for the XS Max and the better camera. The additional screen estate is always welcome, and Smart HDR seems to make the photos pop out more (based on what I observe from my friends; I am currently using a 8+).

Plus things that don't count as upgrades but are still missing from iPhones; expandable storage, second physical SIM, multitasking OS, headphone jack, NFC chip usable by 3rd party apps, included in box fast charger, SIM tool, screen protector, and case.

Headphone jacks stopped mattering to me after I got the AirPods. I am nowhere close to using up the 256 gb of storage on my 8+ or iPad Pro. I don't use a case or screen protector with my devices, and have been charging them off the same USB hub that I bought a couple of years back, so the lack of a fast charger or accessories doesn't bother me. Heck, my headphone jack adaptor is still untouched in the original packaging.

Actually now that I think of it i cant think of anything significant that Samsung could have done better hardware wise with what's available at this point in time.

As I said before, it's all about the ecosystem and the integrated experience, and Samsung can only go so far by pumping hardware specs.

With iOS, I get message forwarding (allowing me to send and receive SMSes on my iPad and Mac), universal clipboard, airdrop, handoff etc. I am a happy user of apps such as bear, things, overcast, fantastical, Tweetbot and Apollo, apps which I would have to give up moving to Android. I am also guaranteed 5 years of software updates.

They may not matter to you, but I find them useful, and in the same vein, many of the benefits of using an android phone don't really appeal to me either. I guess that's why each of us are using the respective devices that we are, but I find that more isn't always better, especially when it doesn't give me more of what I want.
 
Basically the better display for the XS Max and the better camera. The additional screen estate is always welcome, and Smart HDR seems to make the photos pop out more (based on what I observe from my friends; I am currently using a 8+).



Headphone jacks stopped mattering to me after I got the AirPods. I am nowhere close to using up the 256 gb of storage on my 8+ or iPad Pro. I don't use a case or screen protector with my devices, and have been charging them off the same USB hub that I bought a couple of years back, so the lack of a fast charger or accessories doesn't bother me. Heck, my headphone jack adaptor is still untouched in the original packaging.



As I said before, it's all about the ecosystem and the integrated experience, and Samsung can only go so far by pumping hardware specs.

With iOS, I get message forwarding (allowing me to send and receive SMSes on my iPad and Mac), universal clipboard, airdrop, handoff etc. I am a happy user of apps such as bear, things, overcast, fantastical, Tweetbot and Apollo, apps which I would have to give up moving to Android. I am also guaranteed 5 years of software updates.

They may not matter to you, but I find them useful, and in the same vein, many of the benefits of using an android phone don't really appeal to me either. I guess that's why each of us are using the respective devices that we are, but I find that more isn't always better, especially when it doesn't give me more of what I want.

It’s not reasonable to expect Samsung to match everything Apple does. Samsung doesn’t have the level of vertical integration Apple offers. Until they start controlling things from top to bottom? Compromises occur. Many are happy with that and do not want to pay more $ for less features around a walled garden. Nothing wrong with liking iOS over Android or vice versa.
 
What are you talking about? I don't close apps on my iphone unless an app has a problem. I don't have to manage anything. There's no UI lag at all. No matter how many apps are open.
Apple closes the apps for us, even if we’re still using them. If I switch between Pokémon GO to my camera, it often closes Pokémon GO. And frequently when I’m listening to Audible in the background, my iPhone decides I’m done listening. I mean WHILE it’s actially playing it closes the app! And Apple Music always forgets where i left off so every time I turn on my car it restarts on the same song. A lot of us would love to be able to multitask too, like while watching a video (or an ad or waiting for it to buffer), being able to write a quick text without it stopping what we were doing. Or when I’m filling out a form on a web page and I have to look up some info from a picture only to go back to the webpage and have it reload on me and lose all my info. More RAM would be VERY welcome by many users. I hate Apple “intelligently” closing apps that aren’t on the screen at that second.
 
So what does Apple's devotion to privacy practically amount to if they aren't prepared to actually do anything about it?

They just admitted their "do not track" option was a complete waste of time and even worse gave users a false sense of security. But now we're supposed to believe their new version really is worthwhile?
Your stance of apple being an internet censor is not a viable business model.

They admitted do not track was a failure because that setting is not respected and is irrelevant to the Internet.

As far as doing something about privacy they seem to have a pretty good grip on how the company handles your your personal data, how they handle apps that break the rules etc.

Banning Facebook is not the answer. The answer is shaming Facebook into transparent business practices.

What is the discussion again about apple’s privacy policy? Oh yes, we are discussing the s10, of which they threw the kitchen sink in, because the s9 was a sales failure.
 
It’s not reasonable to expect Samsung to match everything Apple does. Samsung doesn’t have the level of vertical integration Apple offers. Until they start controlling things from top to bottom? Compromises occur. Many are happy with that and do not want to pay more $ for less features around a walled garden. Nothing wrong with liking iOS over Android or vice versa.
Which is why it is irritating that so many people here seem to fall over themselves praising everything the competition does to the high heavens, while simultaneously dismissing or downplaying Apple's accomplishments.

Take something like airdrop, or the ability to unlock my Mac with my Apple Watch. The technology being this is likely very basic, but it does require the company to have control of both hardware and software to integrate it on a system level, and for it to work as seamlessly as it does. And the experience of flinging huge files from one apple device to another never gets old. Do you think people care that it doesn't use the latest specs? No, it works, and that's what matters.

Not to mention that people often compare spec for spec, without realising that they are not equivalent. For example, iOS tends to be more efficient than android, so iPhones can often get away with smaller batteries and less specs such as ram. It's a lot less work to just dump in 8 gb of ram than it is to optimise your OS not to consume as much resources.

This is why I keep saying - focus on the experience, not the specs. Better specs don't always result in a better user experience, and products like the 1st gen iPad show us that you can indeed have a superior user experience even with subpar paper specs, because your software is the special sauce that allows your hardware to shine.
 
Samsung likes looking at Apple for business strategies...
A normal phone, a plus phone, and now a cheaper version phone..... oh and AirPods or whatever they’ve called them, although everyone is doing that.

Samsung had more options of phones first, Samsung had the smart watch first, the gear icon x ear bud came out first. S6, s6edge and s6edgeplus
 
Samsung had more options of phones first, Samsung had the smart watch first, the gear icon x ear bud came out first. S6, s6edge and s6edgeplus
Your comment is typical of people who live in a bubble. No idea what is really going on, especially those claiming that Samsung have copied Apple's AirPods.
There is a long standing joke in the UK that the Queen thinks the world smells of new paint :)
 
As far as doing something about privacy they seem to have a pretty good grip on how the company handles your your personal data, how they handle apps that break the rules etc.

They take their 30% and put some of it towards billboards.
 
Which is why it is irritating that so many people here seem to fall over themselves praising everything the competition does to the high heavens, while simultaneously dismissing or downplaying Apple's accomplishments.

Take something like airdrop, or the ability to unlock my Mac with my Apple Watch. The technology being this is likely very basic, but it does require the company to have control of both hardware and software to integrate it on a system level, and for it to work as seamlessly as it does. And the experience of flinging huge files from one apple device to another never gets old. Do you think people care that it doesn't use the latest specs? No, it works, and that's what matters.

Not to mention that people often compare spec for spec, without realising that they are not equivalent. For example, iOS tends to be more efficient than android, so iPhones can often get away with smaller batteries and less specs such as ram. It's a lot less work to just dump in 8 gb of ram than it is to optimise your OS not to consume as much resources.

This is why I keep saying - focus on the experience, not the specs. Better specs don't always result in a better user experience, and products like the 1st gen iPad show us that you can indeed have a superior user experience even with subpar paper specs, because your software is the special sauce that allows your hardware to shine.

When I bought my XS Max, I thought about just getting something that works. I have a Mac, Apple Watch, iPhone now. I owned an iPad at the time back in Sept 2018. I totally get that Apple is about efficiency and optimization rather than a kitchen sink that Samsung does. I haven't even used AirDrop once in my entire time owning an iOS product. Never found it useful. I also find zero use to unlock a Mac w/ a smartwatch. Can't imagine that smartwatch/laptop interaction is a major determinant in consumer choices either.

Each major OS is so different, so people will look at what is on a piece of paper to make distinctions. For $1000 phones, iPhones having 4gb RAM seems paltry on paper. If iOS has more RAM, we don't know if it would be unused RAM or Apple would have more features on its iPhones. iOS 12 and the iPhone XR might not be enough anymore since the S10+ had tremendous results with a recent battery test on the Exynos version. Samsung's One UI has received commendations for becoming leaner and more useful than Pure Android. Plus, they're making it more iPhone like with user friendliness in mind.

Samsung is focused on the experience. From the days of TouchWiz until now? They have streamlined their software. I couldn't stand their software up until Samsung Experience. But with One UI, I think that has changed. OnePlus has the best combo of hardware and software on Android imo, but it's too much compromise for $550 vs spending $700 on the S10E.

We also have to look at how Apple hinders the experience. Why should the iPad be the only mainstream iOS device that offers PIP and split-screen apps? PIP is in some apps, like Twitter as it is. There isn't an Always on Display either. Siri feels so antiquated. Apple doesn't do enough to take advantage of its larger screens either. We are at the mercy of what they decide is good for the "consumer." For me, I cannot marry myself to one particular smartphone brand. I wasn't thrilled that I could not seamlessly mirror my iPhone to my Smart TV w/o an AppleTV. I was trying to get some hockey games on a bigger screen. I am not spending $180 for an AppleTV. I had a 3rd gen and returned it after a week.

After my Mac craps out, I am replacing it with a PC. I replaced my iPad with the Surface Go and couldn't be happier with the experience. I had a miserable time with the Surface Pro 4, but the Go changed my perception of that product line. The Apple Watch is great and all, but a Fitbit can do core functions I need just fine, so I am not marrying myself to iOS.
 
Apple will be doing it on the this years iphone, that already leaked
Yes but then Apple will do it right. With Apple you can give your friend a 50% charge and only use 25% of your battery. Then he gives your phone a charge and you are both nearly charged using only APPLE technology (Apple Persistent Perpetual Lightening Engine).
 
Apple controlling the whole ecosystem is more often a burden than a desirable feature IMHO. Try using your phone/ipad in a way they don't intend and you're SOL. I just spent a couple hours trying to pull a couple thousand photos off a work iPad, and it was a chore. Whereas with an android device I could just mount it like a hard drive and pull off what I needed with a few clicks. I'm all in when it comes to macs/OSX, but the closed ecosystem that they have created with iOS is a pain in the a$$.
 
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Basically the better display for the XS Max and the better camera. The additional screen estate is always welcome, and Smart HDR seems to make the photos pop out more (based on what I observe from my friends; I am currently using a 8+).



Headphone jacks stopped mattering to me after I got the AirPods. I am nowhere close to using up the 256 gb of storage on my 8+ or iPad Pro. I don't use a case or screen protector with my devices, and have been charging them off the same USB hub that I bought a couple of years back, so the lack of a fast charger or accessories doesn't bother me. Heck, my headphone jack adaptor is still untouched in the original packaging.



As I said before, it's all about the ecosystem and the integrated experience, and Samsung can only go so far by pumping hardware specs.

With iOS, I get message forwarding (allowing me to send and receive SMSes on my iPad and Mac), universal clipboard, airdrop, handoff etc. I am a happy user of apps such as bear, things, overcast, fantastical, Tweetbot and Apollo, apps which I would have to give up moving to Android. I am also guaranteed 5 years of software updates.

They may not matter to you, but I find them useful, and in the same vein, many of the benefits of using an android phone don't really appeal to me either. I guess that's why each of us are using the respective devices that we are, but I find that more isn't always better, especially when it doesn't give me more of what I want.
I was very clear in saying that I was talking about hardware on the s10, not so much software. Truth be told most of those software features you find so important are not so important to me. I do all my messaging on whatsapp which has a mac client. I use Google drive to move documents between all my devices which works brilliantly, I use a twitter app called falcon pro which is every bit as good as tweet bot. I get 2 years of software support, which is all I need as I upgrade my phone each year. Then on top of that I get a phone with everything you could ask for hardware wise, a fast charger in the box, free galaxy buds and a free upgrade to the 5g model. I'm just getting way better value for money and that's important to some people.

I know alot of people enjoy the comfort of the Apple ecosystem, but for me that comfort is more like being tied down. If Samsung were to make a locked down ecosystem like Apple I would move on to another phone. I'm very happy with the way Samsung is doing things as is.
 
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When I bought my XS Max, I thought about just getting something that works. I have a Mac, Apple Watch, iPhone now. I owned an iPad at the time back in Sept 2018. I totally get that Apple is about efficiency and optimization rather than a kitchen sink that Samsung does. I haven't even used AirDrop once in my entire time owning an iOS product. Never found it useful. I also find zero use to unlock a Mac w/ a smartwatch. Can't imagine that smartwatch/laptop interaction is a major determinant in consumer choices either.

Each major OS is so different, so people will look at what is on a piece of paper to make distinctions. For $1000 phones, iPhones having 4gb RAM seems paltry on paper. If iOS has more RAM, we don't know if it would be unused RAM or Apple would have more features on its iPhones. iOS 12 and the iPhone XR might not be enough anymore since the S10+ had tremendous results with a recent battery test on the Exynos version. Samsung's One UI has received commendations for becoming leaner and more useful than Pure Android. Plus, they're making it more iPhone like with user friendliness in mind.

Samsung is focused on the experience. From the days of TouchWiz until now? They have streamlined their software. I couldn't stand their software up until Samsung Experience. But with One UI, I think that has changed. OnePlus has the best combo of hardware and software on Android imo, but it's too much compromise for $550 vs spending $700 on the S10E.

We also have to look at how Apple hinders the experience. Why should the iPad be the only mainstream iOS device that offers PIP and split-screen apps? PIP is in some apps, like Twitter as it is. There isn't an Always on Display either. Siri feels so antiquated. Apple doesn't do enough to take advantage of its larger screens either. We are at the mercy of what they decide is good for the "consumer." For me, I cannot marry myself to one particular smartphone brand. I wasn't thrilled that I could not seamlessly mirror my iPhone to my Smart TV w/o an AppleTV. I was trying to get some hockey games on a bigger screen. I am not spending $180 for an AppleTV. I had a 3rd gen and returned it after a week.

After my Mac craps out, I am replacing it with a PC. I replaced my iPad with the Surface Go and couldn't be happier with the experience. I had a miserable time with the Surface Pro 4, but the Go changed my perception of that product line. The Apple Watch is great and all, but a Fitbit can do core functions I need just fine, so I am not marrying myself to iOS.
I have the exact same sentiment. I don’t want to limit myself to only the Apple ecosystem when there are other devices which can do more.
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Other people had all those before Samsung too, but only Samsung would copy Apples marketing strategy for the XS and XR, including the pricing!
Well the S10e is a bit different to the Xr. It’s the smallest out of the 3 models, it has an Oled display and it has a dual camera. The pricing isn’t the same in the UK. The S10 plus starts at £899 for 128GB where as the max starts at £1,099.
 
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What you get in the specs for a Samsung phone is definitely worth a $1000

ehh, i'm not sure i'd say it's worth $1000 either. I Think Samsung is getting a little too pushy as well with prices. They think if Apple can, they can.

However. This is where the "BUt ApPle MakEs thE MoST ProFIT" comes back to bite those people who say this.

Samsung puts more STUFF into their phones. It's one of their strengths (and often weakness). The S series since day one has been all about "we give you every options under the sun, even if they're not great options, or rarely used options, they're their if you want them".

this costs Samsung more to do. more RAM. more storage, more screen, more port,s more features, more software, MORE costs Samsung More to produce, which lowers their profits and margins.

SO yeah, buying a Samsung definitely tends to get you more value for the dollar at those price points.. But I'm still not convinced those price points are necessary, even for Samsung.

There were some fantastic offerings in 2018 that were probably 90% of the quality and featureset of Samsung's S9, but were 200-300 cheaper.

There's a reason why these companies are eating Samsung's lunch overall for sales volume. And Apples. They keep pushing pricing up but don't seem to really provide enough product differentiation for those prices
 
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