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Actually more probable is that they're working on FaceID 2.0 with a smaller notch, triple rear cameras, a SOC two years ahead of the competition and possible pencil support.

Also all indications point to a lower price point, but I'll believe that when I see it.
So nothing interesting.
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Ok, scenario.. Folding phones come in.. Nobody here has touched one, seen one etc..

Several people are enthusiastic that tech is being pushed forward, look at the pro's and cons and say this is good for the industry as a whole.
Apple defender +, "this is naff, never work, no application, wont help people, crease, android, data piracy, China, useless tech etc"...

That's ALL they bring to the table. that's it. Over and over, shouting down anyone else's slight admiration for the technology even in it's early beta stages.

Had this been an Apple release, they'd be sticking two fingers up at Samsung and hailing it as the greatest innovative tech ever released.

You get the picture?
Very accurate.
 
Ok, scenario.. Folding phones come in.. Nobody here has touched one, seen one etc..

Several people are enthusiastic that tech is being pushed forward, look at the pro's and cons and say this is good for the industry as a whole.
Apple defender +, "this is naff, never work, no application, wont help people, crease, android, data piracy, China, useless tech etc"...

That's ALL they bring to the table. that's it. Over and over, shouting down anyone else's slight admiration for the technology even in it's early beta stages.

Had this been an Apple release, they'd be sticking two fingers up at Samsung and hailing it as the greatest innovative tech ever released.

You get the picture?
You yourself can also say that nobody has seen or touched a folding phone. To me, the only reason why some people here are as enthusiastic about folding phones as they are is because this gives them another excuse to bash Apple for "not being innovative".

To me, it's not that folding displays are useless, but that I feel that they are not meant to be used in phones, but rather, more in sedentary positions such as wearable screens. As it stands, the screen is clearly not designed to stand up to repeated folding and unfolding, whatever Samsung touts.

The discussion is focused on the wrong areas.

It's not innovation that matters, but meaningful innovation. Likewise, Apple as a single company cannot be expected to invent everything. Would you say Apple is behind just because they haven't yet found the cure for cancer?

So nothing interesting.
A product doesn't have to offer a multi-orgasmic thrill ride in order to be interesting.

The huge difference between Apple and Samsung is in the execution and follow through. Apple is not perfect, but the steady progression of things like the Apple Watch show commitment to taking something basic and incrementally improving it.

That to me is innovation I can get behind, even if it is nothing as sexy as folding displays.
 
Actually more probable is that they're working on FaceID 2.0 with a smaller notch, triple rear cameras, a SOC two years ahead of the competition and possible pencil support.

Also all indications point to a lower price point, but I'll believe that when I see it.

Yes I forgot, they will of course catch-up to competition and put 3 lens rear camera, let's hope that they also learn from the design of the more seamless, centric Samsung camera lens and don't come up with the horrendous "eye patch" style 3 lens camera..
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FaceID 2..sure..but Samsung succesfully developped super accurate (and hands down more convenient and BETTER than FaceID) Ultra Sonic Under Display Sensor that Apple couldn't.

smaller notch..sure..they should, because again Samsung come up with a much more innovative way to implant the camera/sensor cutout instead of ruining the whole top of the display.

Pencil support I highly doubt, but again it's good to learn from Samsung's Note series features.

PS: I own an iPhone XS Max since day one.and X before that.
 
So nothing interesting..

FaceID 2.0 is interesting. It should be faster, more accurate, work better in harsh lighting conditions and have a wider field of throw allowing you to unlock from lower angles.

Personally I've been waiting for FaceID to improve and the notch to reduce before I leave TouchID behind.
 
so you pay $2000 for this and if you use it more than 27 times a day it has a permanent crease down the middle in a year or six months if you use it 54 times a day? Who is going to buy this and why?
 
A product doesn't have to offer a multi-orgasmic thrill ride in order to be interesting.
Did I claim that anywhere? NO, so moot point.
The huge difference between Apple and Samsung is in the execution and follow through. Apple is not perfect, but the steady progression of things like the Apple Watch show commitment to taking something basic and incrementally improving it.

No there's no difference what so ever, Samsung is also steadily improving it's products.

That to me is innovation I can get behind, even if it is nothing as sexy as folding displays.
I understand you love Apple, that's all you write about all the time but you don't work for Apple so what you write has no substance.
 
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Several people are enthusiastic that tech is being pushed forward, look at the pro's and cons and say this is good for the industry as a whole.

Apple defender +, "this is naff, never work, no application, wont help people, crease, android, data piracy, China, useless tech etc"...
Interestingly slanted analysis of the polarity of this discussion.
 
Yes I forgot, they will of course catch-up to competition and put 3 lens rear camera, let's hope that also learn from the more seamless, centric design of Samsung camera lens and don't come up with the horrendous "eye patch" style 3 lens camera..

and FaceID 2..sure..while Samsung succesfully developped super accurate (and more convenient and BETTER than FaceID) Ultra Sonic Under Display Sensor that Apple couldn't.

And smaller notch..sure..they should, because again Samsung come up with a much more innovative way to implant the camera/sensor cutout instead of ruining the whole top of the display.

Pencil support I highly doubt, but again it's good to learn from Samsung's Note series features.

PS: I own an iPhone XS Max since day one.and X before that.

I genuinely think that facial biometrics are the way forward, and I've been a massive proponent of TouchID since it's inception.

Samsung's implementation doesn't do anything more than what the iPhone 5S did in 2013 except remove the bezel. And whilst that hole punch is smaller, Android and most apps are not designed to support it, so you will tend to find it will get in the way more than a supported notch would.
 
FaceID 2.0 is interesting. It should be faster, more accurate, work better in harsh lighting conditions and have a wider field of throw allowing you to unlock from lower angles.

Personally I've been waiting for FaceID to improve and the notch to reduce before I leave TouchID behind.
Still not interesting.
 
Because it doesn’t. You just convinced yourself that it does and there is a difference for example between an Apple Watch with HR and fall detection which actually saved lives and a stupid looking phone that unfolds into stupid looking thing with stupid aspect ratio.

Wow the hate is strong.

Having one device that was my phone and tablet would change my life (in a small way).

I do think foldable/flexible screens in other formats will change people's lives. This is obviously a very early preview of what they can do. I see them expanding into different form factors.

You are not the arbitrator of what changes peoples lives.
 
To you maybe, to a lot of people it will be the reason to upgrade.
I highly doubt many will care for a little more speed and small other improvements.
If they manage to shrink the notch that will be the most obvious improvement.
 
I highly doubt many will care for a little more speed and small other improvements.
If they manage to shrink the notch that will be the most obvious improvement.

Are you kidding? A wider throw would be a massive improvement.
 
Why so confusing? Why criticism for sake of criticism?

Fold - phablet sized PHONE (not a tablet replacement) with extra large screen (7.3in) when unfolded. For people who are used to carrying phablet sized phone.

Vertical fold - very small clamshell with a standard sized (6.5in+) "phablet" screen when unfolded. For people who wanted a small phone with a bigger screen .

Fold out : tablet replacement? Portable size that can be easily carried but opened up to 9-10 inch screen tablet
 
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You yourself can also say that nobody has seen or touched a folding phone.

Genuinely confused here, how can you say that above to another member, and yet say this below? When you yourself don’t have any experience with a folding display either, am I right? It’s just your statement is contradictory. I mean, have you personally tested these devices to know it’s longevity and overall durability?

As it stands, the screen is clearly not designed to stand up to repeated folding and unfolding.
 
Genuinely confused here, how can you say that above to another member, and yet say this below? When you yourself don’t have any experience with a folding display either, am I right? It’s just your statement is contradictory. I mean, have you personally tested these devices to know it’s longevity and overall durability?
Great observations. He often writes long posts and that makes it hard to flow his points(even for him) and he most likely hopes that most of the time his interlocutors will just give up.
 
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You yourself can also say that nobody has seen or touched a folding phone. To me, the only reason why some people here are as enthusiastic about folding phones as they are is because this gives them another excuse to bash Apple for "not being innovative".

And most here who hate the idea are only doing so because Samsung made it.

Nobody is saying the implementation is anywhere near perfect/ready/perfect or even makes sense. Is Samsung forcing people to buy it? No. Are they admitting that it has a limited lifespan and telling people it isn't really ready for the mainstream? Yes.

They are doing something good for the industry which is pushing new tech into the industry and basically seeing how customers like it/interact with it.

A lot of first gen Apple devices weren't ready for the limelight either, not to the extent of the foldable screen but still not quite there yet. The iPad 1 was compromised and had a very limited lifespan. The first MacBook Air was impressive but had a lot of flaws. The Macintosh 128k? Extremely limited in nearly every way, but also fantastic and revolutionary.
 
I'm not kidding. It's not like you know more than I do, or do you work for Apple?

No of course I don't, but I do know that the throw angle and accuracy of FaceID as it is isn't good enough to serve as a true TouchID replacement. It was a step down if anything, and this is reflected in the reviews and comments of users I've seen over the last 18 months.

If FaceID 2 can change those things it will finally be a step up from TouchID and will be a good enough reason to finally leave it behind. Combine that with a smaller notch and the usual improvements and you've got yourself a winner.
 
Genuinely confused here, how can you say that above to another member, and yet say this below? When you yourself don’t have any experience with a folding display either, am I right? It’s just your statement is contradictory. I mean, have you personally tested these devices to know it’s longevity and overall durability?

Well you can see in the demo videos that the displays are already warping around the folded areas.

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Did I claim that anywhere? NO, so moot point.
You claimed that improvements to Face ID wouldn't be interesting to you. I was responding to that by saying how it's this sort of incremental improvements that Apple consumers appreciate and more importantly, are willing to pay a premium for, even if they seem like relatively innocuous changes to you.

That's why we are Apple customers. Because we value what Apple offers over the competition, over and beyond what Apple does and will not provide.

iPhones by and large improve quite incrementally every year. Everything gets a little better, while it gets 1 or 2 new hardware features that serve as tentpole features. If this is not good enough for you, Samsung is that way, but it's worked for Apple thus far.

I understand you love Apple, that's all you write about all the time but you don't work for Apple so what you write has no substance.
And if I were working for Apple, you would be saying that what I write has no credibility because I am obviously on their payroll.

Genuinely confused here, how can you say that above to another member, and yet say this below? When you yourself don’t have any experience with a folding display either, am I right? It’s just your statement is contradictory. I mean, have you personally tested these devices to know it’s longevity and overall durability?

It's stated on Macrumours right here.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...leged-crease-defect-in-current-model.2172294/

"Samsung is also hoping to make the Galaxy Fold more durable, eliminating a crease that appears on the current panel once it's been folded approximately 10,000 times. To combat this issue, Samsung is considering offering Galaxy Fold buyers free screen replacements after the smartphone launches."

The average user checks his phone more than a hundred times a day. You are looking at a very visible crease developing after just a hundred days of use at this rate, or just over 3 months. Tell me again how that is supposed to be representative of a $2k smartphone experience again?

Samsung themselves aren't exactly showing a great deal of confidence in their own product, which at this point looks increasingly like it was rushed out the door just so Samsung could claim some brownie points for innovation.

The slightest nick on an iPhone display would be grounds of hundreds of responses online decrying Apple, while this issue will probably be swept under the carpet by haters who claim that it's inevitable since Samsung is too busy "innovating", and that you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Now, that's hypocrisy to me.
 
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On my planet, it is called logic.

Did Samsung pull you down an alley way and hold a gun to your head forcing you to buy the galaxy fold?

I still can't see the problem with introducing new tech into the industry, and TELLING people that their essentially beta phone is just that, not a mainstream model and something that doesn't have longevity.

But no, apparently if you can't see the value in technology than it is objectively useless.
 
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You claimed that improvements to Face ID wouldn't be interesting to you. I was responding to that by saying how it's this sort of incremental improvements that Apple consumers appreciate and more importantly, are willing to pay a premium for, even if they seem like relatively innocuous changes to you.

That's why we are Apple customers. Because we value what Apple offers over the competition, over and beyond what Apple does and will not provide.

iPhones by and large improve quite incrementally every year. Everything gets a little better, while it gets 1 or 2 new hardware features that serve as tentpole features. If this is not good enough for you, Samsung is that way, but it's worked for Apple thus far.

LoL so much PR talk, my eyes hurt.
It's still a moot and the fact that you feel the need to generalize this much and talk on behalf of others proves it.
And if I were working for Apple, you would be saying that what I write has no credibility because I am obviously on their payroll.

But you don't work so Apple so now you are just making up stuff about what I would say because you have no arguments.
 
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