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Did Samsung pull you down an alley way and hold a gun to your head forcing you to buy the galaxy fold?

I still can't see the problem with introducing new tech into the industry, and TELLING people that their essentially beta phone is just that, not a mainstream model and something that doesn't have longevity.

But no, apparently if you can't see the value in technology than it is objectively useless.
Did someone pull you down an alleyway and hold a gun to your head forcing you to read my posts?
 
No of course I don't, but I do know that the throw angle and accuracy of FaceID as it is isn't good enough to serve as a true TouchID replacement. It was a step down if anything, and this is reflected in the reviews and comments of users I've seen over the last 18 months.

If FaceID 2 can change those things it will finally be a step up from TouchID and will be a good enough reason to finally leave it behind. Combine that with a smaller notch and the usual improvements and you've got yourself a winner.
You are too optimistic, way to optimistic and you are trying to convince me of something you have no knowledge of.
 
The slightest nick on an iPhone display would be grounds of hundreds of responses online decrying Apple, while this issue will probably be swept under the carpet by haters who claim that it's inevitable since Samsung is too busy "innovating", and that you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

This is the same Apple that took ages to fix (or possibly not) the butterfly keyboard issue, on a device that they sell as their pro level laptop, on a component that really shouldn't be that hard to design to work. Apple doesn't even admit it is a problem.

Samsung on the other hand has said that this device is not for mainstream use and if reports are correct (which they may not be) Samsung is acknowledging the 10,000 fold issue + possibly replacing effected screens for free.

Also maybe I have misunderstood the fold, but I thought you could use it as a phone on one side then fold it out to use as the larger mini tablet... meaning that you wouldn't need to fold it every single time you were just using it in small phone mode.

Samsung themselves aren't exactly showing a great deal of confidence in their own product, which at this point looks increasingly like it was rushed out the door just so Samsung could claim some brownie points for innovation.

Or as they say, they want to see how users interact with the device, how developers can develop apps that take advantage of the form factor etc.
 
You are too optimistic, way to optimistic and you are trying to convince me of something you have no knowledge of.

It's not optimistic to expect improvements to the FaceID metrics that can be and need to to be improved.

Touch ID 2 was introduced on it's 3rd iteration, so it's not beyond the pale to expect FaceID 2 on it's 3rd iteraction.
 
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Also maybe I have misunderstood the fold, but I thought you could use it as a phone on one side then fold it out to use as the larger mini tablet... meaning that you wouldn't need to fold it every single time you were just using it in small phone mode.

If you watched the keynote, the presenter unfolded the Galaxy Fold the instant he took it out of his pocket.

I suspect that the device is going to make for a very poor smartphone experience. It has a ridiculously small display for its form factor, and is extremely thick to boot. The only real value is to use it as a tablet, which means you will find yourself wanting or having to unfold it every time you took it out of your pocket, then folding it before keeping it back in your pocket.

That does not strike me as a great experience. Consumers are not really going to want to keep unfolding the device when using it. Even the largest iPhone is still useable in one hand. It’s unclear why someone would want to carry a small tablet that folds into a suboptimal smartphone instead of just carrying a much better smartphone. It's just not practical.

Is this really worth the combined price of an iPhone XS Max, iPad Pro and AirPods?
 
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Samsung themselves aren't exactly showing a great deal of confidence in their own product, which at this point looks increasingly like it was rushed out the door just so Samsung could claim some brownie points for innovation.
How do you know? Do you work for Samsung now?
You do realize that the subject of this article is based on a RUMOR?

Your arguments are so weak that you always fell the need to extrapolate, exaggerate and generalize just to be able to write something. The difference is when it comes to Samsung or anybody else that doesn't design smartphones in Cupertino California you are very negative and when it comes to Apple you do the same thing but you are very very positive every time.
 
How do you know? Do you work for Samsung now?
You do realize that the subject of this article is based on a RUMOR?

Your arguments are so weak that you always fell the need to extrapolate, exaggerate and generalize just to be able to write something. The difference is when it comes to Samsung or anybody else that doesn't design smartphones in Cupertino California you are very negative and when it comes to Apple you do the same thing but you are very very positive every time.
Pretty much every article here is based on a rumour.

Does that by extension invalidate every single argument made by every member here, not just mine?
 
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Feels like silk in the pocket. Oh wait ...
 

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I really don’t care either way lol I wouldn’t buy it even if apple made it. The point I was trying to make instead of covering up issues there owning up to it unlike bent iPads are normal. That’s all
Yeah, Samsung is flat out admitting to a potential problem in their product even before it is released. But instead, they are the good guys because hey! Free replacements!
 
Pretty much every article here is based on a rumour.

Not necessary. LoL so again you feel the need to generalize.

Does that by extension invalidate every single argument made by every member here, not just mine?

But you acted like what you wrote is a straight up fact. So yeah in your case this attitude invalidates what you wrote/claimed.
 
If you watched the keynote, the presenter unfolded the Galaxy Fold the instant he took it out of his pocket.

I suspect that the device is going to make for a very poor smartphone experience. It has a ridiculously small display for its form factor, and is extremely thick to boot. The only real value is to use it as a tablet, which means you will find yourself wanting or having to unfold it every time you took it out of your pocket, then folding it before keeping it back in your pocket.

That does not strike me as a great experience. Consumers are not really going to want to keep unfolding the device when using it. Even the largest iPhone is still useable in one hand. It’s unclear why someone would want to carry a small tablet that folds into a suboptimal smartphone instead of just carrying a much better smartphone. It's just not practical.

Is this really worth the combined price of an iPhone XS Max, iPad Pro and AirPods?



I understand it the opposite way. It is a 4.6 inch display on the front when used as a normal phone, which then unfolds to be a tablet.

I am perfectly content with a 4 inch iPhone SE so I see no problem with that form size. I'd assume that I'd use it half the time as a folded phone, then when I wanted a bigger display, unfold it.

I find the large iPhones impractical. Too big to practically use one handed, too small to be a good tablet. I see it compromised both ways. I could see in maybe 4-5 years that a folding phone would be far more practical.

And this is the point. People have different use cases, different needs and requirements. This is a very early example of something that could expand to be far more useful. I've said in this thread time and time again, nobody is suggesting this is ready for the mainstream. It is for people who have money to throw away to test things. If that isn't you, then don't do it.

And the same question could be asked about the price of the iPhone XS max. Is it worth the combined price of a MacBook Pro + iPad 9.7?
 
Yeah, Samsung is flat out admitting to a potential problem in their product even before it is released. But instead, they are the good guys because hey! Free replacements!

I'd rather a company be up front about quality issues and tell people that a product is for those who want a peek at the future rather then denying denying denying there is a problem (Apple has a long history of this).

Of course I much prefer Apple as a company over Samsung, but that doesn't mean they don't have their faults.
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I really don’t care either way lol I wouldn’t buy it even if apple made it. The point I was trying to make instead of covering up issues there owning up to it unlike bent iPads are normal. That’s all

"You're folding it wrong :p"
 
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I understand it the opposite way. It is a 4.6 inch display on the front when used as a normal phone, which then unfolds to be a tablet.

I am perfectly content with a 4 inch iPhone SE so I see no problem with that form size. I'd assume that I'd use it half the time as a folded phone, then when I wanted a bigger display, unfold it.

I find the large iPhones impractical. Too big to practically use one handed, too small to be a good tablet. I see it compromised both ways. I could see in maybe 4-5 years that a folding phone would be far more practical.

And this is the point. People have different use cases, different needs and requirements. This is a very early example of something that could expand to be far more useful. I've said in this thread time and time again, nobody is suggesting this is ready for the mainstream. It is for people who have money to throw away to test things. If that isn't you, then don't do it.

And the same question could be asked about the price of the iPhone XS max. Is it worth the combined price of a MacBook Pro + iPad 9.7?
I don't agree with what you said, but I do respect and appreciate the manner in which you replied.

First off, this thing already looks as thick as two phones combined. I will be curious to see how it fits into one's pockets.

I am not sure what exactly is going to change in 4-5 years that make folding phones more practical. Thinner form factor? Absence of a crease? Better durability?

And personally, I have no issues using my 8+ one-handed, and I suspect I should be able to handle the XS Max as well, given they have more or less the same form factor.

Lastly, let's just say that Apple were the one releasing this folding phone and now making the announcement that it was prone to creasing in the middle. Do you think the critics are going to be as forgiving, or would the internet be alit with all manner of articles claiming that Apple was doomed for allowing such an obviously flawed product to ever see the light of day?
 
I don't agree with what you said, but I do respect and appreciate the manner in which you replied.

First off, this thing already looks as thick as two phones combined. I will be curious to see how it fits into one's pockets.

I am not sure what exactly is going to change in 4-5 years that make folding phones more practical. Thinner form factor? Absence of a crease? Better durability?

And personally, I have no issues using my 8+ one-handed, and I suspect I should be able to handle the XS Max as well, given they have more or less the same form factor.

Lastly, let's just say that Apple were the one releasing this folding phone and now making the announcement that it was prone to creasing in the middle. Do you think the critics are going to be as forgiving, or would the internet be alit with all manner of articles claiming that Apple was doomed for allowing such an obviously flawed product to ever see the light of day?
Apple would get a beating of biblical proportions for this. Samsung, on the other hand, is innovating so its ok.
 
I genuinely think that facial biometrics are the way forward, and I've been a massive proponent of TouchID since it's inception.

Samsung's implementation doesn't do anything more than what the iPhone 5S did in 2013 except remove the bezel. And whilst that hole punch is smaller, Android and most apps are not designed to support it, so you will tend to find it will get in the way more than a supported notch would.
Think about what you just wrote,no one with healthy mind will say the cuttng edge ultra sonic under display finger print sensor is same as the ancient mechanics of touch ID hidden under a giant bezel on iPhones.
they do the same thing yes but it’s fundamentally different technology eliminating the biggest issue (bezel).

The Face ID is not ergonomic at all, and there is no way around it,as a Face ID user from origonal iPhone X launch until it’s latest form in Xs Max,I am sure everyone knows how annoying it is at times having to lift the phone and holding in in a way it can scan your face..for example when the phone is on a table etc etc etc no such problem with Under display finger print sensor.
Apple came up with Face ID be ause they couldnt make under display touch ID at that time and so they ditched the whole idea.if they had access the technology Samsung has now,we wouldn’t be talking about Face ID at all,

and it’s easy win for Samsungs small laser cut camera hole vs the huge notch.we don’t even need to debate.

honestly while Im a big fan of iPad and believe no other tablet touches it,when it comes to iPhone,it’s simply lagging behind competition.
I’d have switched from Xs Max to S10+ without even thinking twice if it wasnt because of iOS ecosystem of iPhone/iPad.
 
It all feels gimmicky to me in it's current form. Of course, I could be surprised in a few years if the tech matures enough. So Samsung showed off a device they have been working on for 6 plus years, and they decided to use one with an obvious crease that had been folded 10,000 plus times? How does that make any sense? Any Apple product would be completely ridiculed for being released like this.
 
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