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This is what Apple gets for delaying what was only a mere spec bump of a phone that should have easily been released in June.
 
Why

Well it's all at expense of Nokia. While Nokia is restructuring to merge with Windows Phone smaller companies will get to the top for short while. As soon as Google transitions its new bought Motorola I think we gonna see Samsung on the top for sometime.
 
PC's outsells Macs

"who cares if PC sells more, it's not about market share, it's about the quality of the product and Macs are better. They simply just are!"

Apple Outsells everyone else

"APPLE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST, THEY SELL MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE, ISN'T IT OBVIOUS TO YOU THAT APPLE IS THE BEST, JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. LOOOK AT THE NUMBAHHHSSSS!!!

Samsung outsells Apple

"who cares if samsung sold more, it's not about market share, it's about the quality of the product and iPhones are better. They simply just are!"



lol :p I like apple products more too but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on here
 
You're also talking about a company that manufactures about 10-different handsets, versus a company that really only manufactures one.

And as it's been said before: Let's look at how many they've sold, not just how many they created.
 
It's Mac vs PC all over again, Apple will never change, and why would they, they are more profitable than ever.
 
What happened to the old days when Mom just wanted a very simple and easy to use flip phone? Even Moms are getting spoiled with technology nowadays.

haha my mom still had a Nokia flip phone (damn that Nokia build quality is good) a year ago and it finally started to die, so I tried to give her my 3GS that I never got around to selling and she was like "can you just get me one of those Jitterbug phones"
 
How much more productivity are you getting from the iPhone than you were from your Android phone? What kind of work are you doing with it? Give some of examples of what you like better on the 4S.

Have you never used iOS?

One of the first big things for me, my friends, and co-workers is the VPN support.
iOS, out of the box, supports Cisco IPSec VPN connections. Try and find that on Android.
The Cisco AnyConnect client also works great. If you check the Android Market, it mentions having to root/jailbreak your Android devices to install the AnyConnect client (which makes it invalid for any of the Google Market media due to DRM restrictions). There are no such silly hoops to jump through on iOS. It just works.
Until we can connect with Android devices, we won't even consider them at work. No support for Cisco IPSec, poor support for Cisco AnyConnect, and complete system lock-ups on Android devices we've tested with L2TP/IPSec and PPTN VPN. It's obvious such few professionals use the platform, as those should be the first things working.

A second big thing is how light-years ahead Mobile Safari and the Mail client are compared to anything on on Android. Regarding the browser, issues with performance, page re-draw, and page rendering just make it not fun. I find myself looking for more site-specific apps (CNN app, forum apps, etc) than bother using the terrible Android Browser
Safari on iOS works as well as Safari on the Desktop. The Android mail-client is terribly ugly, as well. Both the performance and the weird background-downloading it does bothers me.

A third big thing is the app selection and quality. Have you seen anything as polished as iTeleport (VNC), iSSH, or iTap RDP on Android? Apple has strict rules for App design, and it really shows. The experience to the end-user is just second to none. The layout of applications and standardized ways of each program working means every new app is learned just as easily as the last.
After we make our VPN connection, the remote-control apps allow us to easily and gracefully manage our Windows, Apple, and Linux servers and Cisco switches. Just having a "VNC app" on Android doesn't give the same experience as it does on iOS. From things like fine-control over how the mouse cursor works (finger as the mouse, screen as touchpad, mouse-acceleration, etc), managing devices from our iOS devices works as well as being at a Desktop.

A forth big thing are the games. Yeah, they don't help with productivity, but having the biggest-name games on your device from Square, Konami, Capcom, EA, and others always helps in the down-time at work.

A fifth big thing is how well the OS controls everything. It's not the wild-west of "anything goes" like on Android. The OS controls the Notifications, push, sync, and backgrounding processes. It's not left up to poorly-written apps to decide how my devices function. I don't have to worry about battery issues, or taming rogue programs, or some app eating up background data because I forgot to dig through its options. Android is similar to Desktop Linux as it is a wet dream for someone who wants to micro-manage and tweak every little thing. iOS works great for someone who wants a device that just works. I can get work done without having to worry about babysitting my phone or tablet.

So yeah, iOS allows you to be way more productive than Android. That's probably why iOS/iPhone/Apple is consistently reported as #1 by their many, many pleased customers. I've used Android (I own three Android devices!), I've used Windows Mobile, and I've used iOS. Like so many others, iOS is the best option out there, by far.

The enterprise is really embracing iOS. BlackBerry is yesterday's stuff. Android is just seen as trash. It's been out since 2008 and is still a joke. Maybe things will get better after 4.0 is released. People got a taste of iOS back in 2007, and it was in full-gear by 2008-2009. Android is years behind.
 
You're also talking about a company that manufactures about 10-different handsets, versus a company that really only manufactures one.

And as it's been said before: Let's look at how many they've sold, not just how many they created.

I would bet they didn't do as well as they claim on their report. Otherwise why not disclose the number of units sold? Maybe just trying to keep investors entertained.
 
PC's outsells Macs

"who cares if PC sells more, it's not about market share, it's about the quality of the product and Macs are better. They simply just are!"

Apple Outsells everyone else

"APPLE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST, THEY SELL MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE, ISN'T IT OBVIOUS TO YOU THAT APPLE IS THE BEST, JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. LOOOK AT THE NUMBAHHHSSSS!!!

Samsung outsells Apple

"who cares if samsung sold more, it's not about market share, it's about the quality of the product and iPhones are better. They simply just are!"



lol :p I like apple products more too but there's a lot of hypocrisy going on here

I think you're mistaken this for Wall St.'s feedback on Apple's stock performance. People don't care how much a company sells, only nerds and Wall St. take such numbers as if it's the only way to tell companies apart.
 
Samsung's rise is impressive since it nearly quadrupled sales of smartphones in just one year. It is close to displacing Nokia in terms of total phones shipped, and so it's probably fairer to say that Samsung has taken Nokia's place, rather than Apple's. That said, Samsung also makes high priced units, so it isn't insignificant for Apple, and that explains why Apple is being so aggressive in defending their IP. They don't want a repeat of the 1980s.

Having said that, while it was a nice feather in Apple's cap to be #1 in smartphones last quarter, it isn't necessary that they dominate the category for them to be successful. Unless Apple becomes a mass marketer, they likely will eventually settle into a minority of the tablet market (albeit a profitable minority), particularly once devices like the Kindle Fire and some cheaper Windows 8 ARM tablets start coming out.

Apple has a solid and extremely loyal following in the smartphone market, and they also have s very solid ecosystem (although the number of Android apps is starting to approach and may surpass the number of iOS apps soon). Apple is a major player and will be for some time. They just can't rest on their laurels, not that we ever expected them to do so.
 
I would bet they didn't do as well as they claim on their report. Otherwise why not disclose the number of units sold? Maybe just trying to keep investors entertained.

Exactly. If a company sold 20 million devices in one quarter, what logical reason is there not to say so? The answer is simple, and that is that shipped does not and never will equal sold.
 
Is this going to be a repeat of 20 to 30 years ago?

Apple refuses to licence anything to anyone else, the PC wins the compute war and Apple virtually die, and would of were it not for some help from outsiders.

Have Apple learned anything from that, or over the next 10 to 20 years and we going to see history repeat itself and Apple dwindles down as it did before.

Hard to believe now, but when the Apple2 was out it was hard to believe then also.
 
Apple can't have certain customers, the ones who go in for the cheap, low-end models. Do you think, for example, the person going in for the cheap ZTE model can swing an iPhone?

I do think that anyone in the smartphone market can afford the celebrated free 3Gs. Do you have an argument to the contrary?
 

At some point, we have to stop doing simple Google searches for Oletros. For someone who appears to be knowledgeable about everything under the sun, search engines seem to be the bane of his existence.

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I do think that anyone in the smartphone market can afford the celebrated free 3Gs. Do you have an argument to the contrary?

Yeah, next quarter's stats, where you'll see that Apple is on top again.
 
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