Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer

[JGowan]

I still *love* people who use SHIPPED vs SOLD in their claptrap articles about who's "winning". I would expect Wall Street Journal to have a touch more integrity and to actually start explaining to the general public what the differences of those two terms actually mean.

Also, "EASILY TOPS"? That's laughable. 20 million SHIPPED versus 17.1 million SOLD. If those numbers were both about sold phones, 3 million is hardly topping anything. You got a lot of cheap Samsung phones. But when you actually have to differentiate between millions on store shelves vs millions in millions of hands, it makes the whole argument cheap and baseless.

And this, THIS,... this in a quarter where most people knew and were waiting for the next iPhone. Since 2008 when it became obvious that Apple would be releasing new iPhones annually, it's become customary for sales to drag just prior to that. It use to be sometime in June. Now it looks like sometime in September. Which is fine by me. Their Holiday numbers that include all new holdouts AND now gift-giving will be crazy huge.

I cannot wait for the next round of numbers that include Apple's latest lineup of iPhones. Talk about breaking numbers.

Think about this — about 18 months ago when Steve was announcing the iPad for the first time, Steve was mind-boggled at the fact that Apple was now a "$50B a year company" — skip ahead to the earnings for the past fiscal year and they sold $108,250,000,000 worth of stuff. In less than two years, they're a $100 Billion company.

Case closed, fools.

 

[voonyx]

And your point?

You realize you <> everyone, right?

It's amazing the vitriol you have for companies that you DON'T do business with.

Why so dramatic? He's not insulting Samsung, he's not insulting you, he's simply stating the facts. You're looking for something that's just not there.

 

[*LTD*]

Is this going to be a repeat of 20 to 30 years ago?

Apple refuses to licence anything to anyone else, the PC wins the compute war and Apple virtually die, and would of were it not for some help from outsiders.

Have Apple learned anything from that, or over the next 10 to 20 years and we going to see history repeat itself and Apple dwindles down as it did before.

Hard to believe now, but when the Apple2 was out it was hard to believe then also.

This isn't the 90s. Apple's popularity and mindshare is dominant in the industry. Their business model is proven, and is something others just now are trying to imitate. Even with Macs, Apple's penalty for "losing" the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well around 30 consecutive quarters now, if not more (even during a recession.) Apple owns the $1000+ category. And they are set to have another record quarter (already well into double-digit share in the US) selling expensive gear that runs an unlicensed, closed-platform OS, usually with a $1000 entry-fee. In fact, they are fresh off a record Mac quarter, as we speak.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Biased? Really? Noooo, how can anyone think they're biased those claims so exagerated?

Now you have a problem with someone reporting their personal experience. Heavens forbid someone would ever say something negative about Android or W7

 

[Picka]

Exact repeat of the 80s.

Apple continuing with their closed system. Good to see all the normal excuses now that Apple isn't top dog any more.

Samsung sells more smartphones simply because they have better products at a price people are willing to pay. Nothing magic about it, choice is the key.

 

[GenesisST]

it seems they are all #1... It seems these analysts have spin medical licenses...

I'm sure the Motorola StarTAC is still number 1 at something.

 

[something3153]

Also, "EASILY TOPS"? That's laughable. 20 million SHIPPED versus 17.1 million SOLD. If those numbers were both about sold phones, 3 million is hardly topping anything. You got a lot of cheap Samsung phones. But when you actually have to differentiate between millions on store shelves vs millions in millions of hands, it makes the whole argument cheap and baseless.

That's almost 20%. That is quite a margin. And is the 3Gs not cheap? It was bouncing between $49 and free most of this year.

 

[samcraig]

Why so dramatic? He's not insulting Samsung, he's not insulting you, he's simply stating the facts. You're looking for something that's just not there.

You found my post dramatic? Why - because I capped a word. LOL.. ok...

Talk about looking for something that's just not there.

And he's not stating facts - he's stating his opinion.

 

[bushido]

It seems that she was already well versed and informed about the iPhone.
What's incredible is that it's so easy to learn and use without having to read through manuals. For most people, that's a big plus.

I make quiet different experiences. I could seriously open a business telling people how to use the iPhone. Starting with "how do i get the sim in the iPhone" "how do i get my old contacts on the iphone" "what is itunes?" "how do i put pics on my iphone" "oooh i can make folders, how did u do that?"

I love my iPhone but it isnt as easy to use as they try to make u believe. Lots of people arent used to a software on the computer that needs to be part of the phone experience.

 

[JGowan]

That's almost 20%. That is quite a margin. And is the 3Gs not cheap? It was bouncing between $49 and free most of this year.

Again, shipped versus sold. Way to gloss over that part. And NO, the 3GS has not been bouncing between $49 and Free most of this year. It went to free 2 weeks ago today. Many Samsung phones in peoples' pocket have been gimmes.

If you want to talk -- either talk about Apple's $108 Billion earnings or talk to the hand.

 

[voonyx]

You found my post dramatic? Why - because I capped a word. LOL.. ok...

Talk about looking for something that's just not there.

And he's not stating facts - he's stating his opinion.

No because you used the word vitriol, which is a little dramatic, no?

LTD: Samsung has 50-60 models
Samcraig: Your vitriol is incomprehensible.

Yes...not dramatic at all. The cruel and bitter criticism that LTD is spewing is reprehensible and unimaginable.

 

[SPUY767]

shipped over 20 million smartphones in the third quarter, compared to Apple's announced sales

Shipped same as Sales?

Most phones get sold, Tablets are another story. The bottom line is that, yeah, something given away for free is going to move more units than something that costs 200$. Let's see this quarter with the free iPhone and see if Apple claws back any of that market share.

 

[Funkymonk]

I think you're mistaken this for Wall St.'s feedback on Apple's stock performance. People don't care how much a company sells, only nerds and Wall St. take such numbers as if it's the only way to tell companies apart.

no I didn't. I'm talking about what fanboys do that are always trolling the internet. pc fanboys have been doing it for years claiming windows to be better because they have larger market share. and now apple fanboys are trolling in the same way with the iphone and ipad.

 

[rockrigo]

sometimes fanboys make Apple seem related to Scientology, the more money they take from them the better off they will be

 

[*LTD*]

Exact repeat of the 80s.

Apple continuing with their closed system.

Thank god they are. It's proven. This is the Apple of 2011.


http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/26/apple-microsoft-market-cap-2/

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/09/apple-exxon-valuable-company/


And then there's this, thanks to their "closed system":


https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/0...rankings-of-smartphone-consumer-satisfaction/

http://mashable.com/2011/09/09/apple-customer-satisfaction-survey/

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/2...isfaction-survey-for-eighth-consecutive-time/


When you do a closed system right (like Apple), it's pure gold.

 

[a.gomez]

more choices, better price range, more versatile os = Better sales - who could have thought

 

[samcraig]

No because you used the word vitriol, which is a little dramatic, no?

LTD: Samsung has 50-60 models
Samcraig: Your vitriol is incomprehensible.

Yes...not dramatic at all. The cruel and bitter criticism that LTD is spewing is reprehensible and unimaginable.

Yeah - only that's not what I was responding to. And that wasn't what I said. Remotely But let's not derail this thread, ok?

 

[Taz Mangus]

If Samsung continues to make progress at the pace they did it last year people will forget what iPhone is in a year or two.

Are you willing to make a wager on that? Let's see you put your money where your ignorant comments come out of.

 

[SPUY767]

Where? Can you send me one?

ATT is selling away a captivate for $0.01. I've seen Galaxy S's for 19$. I haven't seen an S2 on sale yet.

 

[Taz Mangus]

sometimes fanboys make Apple seem related to Scientology, the more money they take from them the better off they will be

Gee what a concept for businesses producing products to make profit so they can invest more in R&D to build better products

 

[rockrigo]

ATT is selling away a captivate for $0.01. I've seen Galaxy S's for 19$. I haven't seen an S2 on sale yet.

is that also what AT&T paid to Samsung? think about it and get back to me

 

[dethmaShine]

It's amazing

in one random report, Apple trails and people start to contemplate that Apple's future is doomed.

Funny.

 

[rockrigo]

Gee what a concept for businesses producing products to make profit so they can invest more in R&D to build better products

Samsung seems to be doing a fine job of generating R&D money with lower margins

 

[lilo777]

I still *love* people who use SHIPPED vs SOLD in their claptrap articles about who's "winning". I would expect Wall Street Journal to have a touch more integrity and to actually start explaining to the general public what the differences of those two terms actually mean.

Also, "EASILY TOPS"? That's laughable. 20 million SHIPPED versus 17.1 million SOLD. If those numbers were both about sold phones, 3 million is hardly topping anything. You got a lot of cheap Samsung phones. But when you actually have to differentiate between millions on store shelves vs millions in millions of hands, it makes the whole argument cheap and baseless.

And this, THIS,... this in a quarter where most people knew and were waiting for the next iPhone. Since 2008 when it became obvious that Apple would be releasing new iPhones annually, it's become customary for sales to drag just prior to that. It use to be sometime in June. Now it looks like sometime in September. Which is fine by me. Their Holiday numbers that include all new holdouts AND now gift-giving will be crazy huge.

I cannot wait for the next round of numbers that include Apple's latest lineup of iPhones. Talk about breaking numbers.

Think about this — about 18 months ago when Steve was announcing the iPad for the first time, Steve was mind-boggled at the fact that Apple was now a "$50B a year company" — skip ahead to the earnings for the past fiscal year and they sold $108,250,000,000 worth of stuff. In less than two years, they're a $100 Billion company.

Case closed, fools.

You need to read the article bfore commenting on it. It's not 20 vs 17. It's 27 million vs 17 million. Everybody was expecting Samsung to ship 20 million smart phones but Samsung did much better. Apple is now a distant second. As far as shipping vs selling is concerned it's really simple. Samsung is not in a retail business. Hence they "ship" their goods. Apple on the other hand is a huge retailer. They do sell retail to people. They have to report sales.

And just FYI, Steve being mind boggled is just a PR stunt. After all he was a salesman not an engineer.

 

[MonkeySee....]

Wish I was an Analysts. Seems like a piss easy job.