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So you are saying that the MAJORITY of the business world has eschewed their computers in favor of ipads? That is specifically what I am refuting, I'm not in any way saying that SOME businesses are indeed incorporating the ipad, but it's still a tiny percentage of the entire computer world.

No, I don't think tablets will ever replace full blown computers in the workplace.
 
That's interesting.
I've had none of those problems on any of the 4 Android phones I've owned.

And if you're expecting an iPhone to last longer than 24 hour, I suggest you read up on user experiences by Googling "iPhone battery life".

Realworld usage seems to be quite different domain Apples claims.

I am talking about standby battery life. Leaving a fully charged HTC EVO with nothing running on a counter top no phone calls, no text, not even looking at the display. It is completly dead within 24 hours.

Try Googling Time zone issue or time issue Android phones, you will see tons of threads for the HTC EVO, going back for over a year discussing this issue. Say what you want about iOS devices, Apple would never leave such a defect for over a year and expect the customers to just get us to it!

Android is a throw away device with through away mentality.

I understand Andorid may be selling more, but iOS devices are over 57% of the market profit. The real question isn't who sells more; but rather who's devices stay in service the longest. Selling a device that the consumer replaces every 6 months is far different then selling a device the customer is still proudly using years later. I have a 4 year old Ipod Touch with no issues what so ever. Still in service. I cannot wait to retire my throw away Android phone.

By your own admission you have replaced your Android phone 4 times already.
 
I am talking about standby battery life. Leaving a fully charged HTC EVO with nothing running on a counter top no phone calls, no text, not even looking at the display. It is completly dead within 24 hours.
Ton of other Android phones - that's the beauty. My Atrix goes 2+ days without leaking much battery at all if I disable everything.

Try Googling Time zone issue or time issue Android phones, you will see tons of threads for the HTC EVO, going back for over a year discussing this issue. Say what you want about iOS devices, Apple would never leave such a defect for over a year and expect the customers to just get us to it!

Oh yeah - the 3GS iOS upgrade that made the phone nearly unusable - I have a close friend that is affected by this - Apple didn't do squat about it. (Google About 697,000 results (0.24 seconds)) And what about repeated alarm problems?

I have a 4 year old Ipod Touch with no issues what so ever. Still in service. I cannot wait to retire my throw away Android phone.

I have my Nexus One still in use - running latest and the greatest. I know several who run original droid with latest and greatest Android OS - they even overclock it. People change Android phones for the same reason that 70% of Apple's iPhone users were upgrades - they like newer better stuff.

Point is people have been fed too much kool-aid about Apple - Apple makes good products but that's not to say others don't.
 
So you are saying that the MAJORITY of the business world has eschewed their computers in favor of ipads? That is specifically what I am refuting, I'm not in any way saying that SOME businesses are indeed incorporating the ipad, but it's still a tiny percentage of the entire computer world.

I have to admit that after ten pages the details of who said what in response to whom is kind of a blur, but why are you arguing that iPads will not replace computers? Did somebody actually say that that is what businesses are doing / should be doing? I don't think any sane person will argue that the iPad in its current form, or any tablet for that matter, will ever replace desktop computers. I mean, if you look at Star Trek, people are running around with data pads and tricoders, but they also access the on-ship computer from big desktop terminals. That's the kind of future I'm envisioning. Now, I think it's quite possible that tablets might eventually replace laptops -- but desktops? No, those are here to stay.
 
I have to admit that after ten pages the details of who said what in response to whom is kind of a blur, but why are you arguing that iPads will not replace computers? Did somebody actually say that that is what businesses are doing / should be doing? I don't think any sane person will argue that the iPad in its current form, or any tablet for that matter, will ever replace desktop computers. I mean, if you look at Star Trek, people are running around with data pads and tricoders, but they also access the on-ship computer from big desktop terminals. That's the kind of future I'm envisioning. Now, I think it's quite possible that tablets might eventually replace laptops -- but desktops? No, those are here to stay.

Yep, I stated before in this thread that my idea of the future will be a central or cloud computer with "thin" clients such as the ipads. The latest points I was making was for others who didn't read the entire thread and didn't understand the argument.
 
Uhh.. what? Would you be more specific? Not allowed to be remoting in because Android has security flaws? What security flaws? How does that affect remotely logging in?

I support sites covered by PCI-DSS and HIPAA, and login fine with both Android and iPad.

It's about remote control app on a device, not the device itself.

Nope, it's about company policy, because any 14 year old worth their salt can unlock an Android device. It's all about security. It's all about plugging an iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch that someone has 'found' into a computer to try to unlock it and the hardware encryption key getting zapped, rendering any data or network creditals unreadable.
 
I dunno if Apple is justified in doing this.
If you read the article, Apple's lawsuit against Samsung copying the iPhone, states that Apple wants to see five of Samsung's future release of phones and tabs before their comercial release.

They also want to see documents and marketing materials too.
That's crazy and I don't see how they can even demand such things.

Are they that afraid of Samsung???

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/05/17/36646.htm
 
You've just given a list of features that were standards of the PC era. Which is perhaps the most damning indictment of HoneyComb and the rest of the calorie-laden Android flavors under development.

Those "features" are the PAST.

:eek: dude... you just broke the kool aid drinking world record....
 
ordered an ipad 2 and it's still in freakin EPZ, China.

hasn't even come yet and I'm thinking of selling it to buy this baby. damn I'm so pissed....
 
It looks like a complete copy of the iPad but specs wise…it blows the iPad 2 away.

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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20061516-251.html

Thinner, lighter, faster
Android 3.0 Honeycomb
Nvidia Tegra 2 Dual-Core 1GHz Processor
10.1 inch display
Samsung TouchWiz UX
16GB / 32GB / 64GB internal memory storage
3 megapixel rear-facing camera/LED flash, 2 megapixel front-facing camera


It a tough choice for tablets newbies.

Thanks for the link. You did realize that posting this here is something that could get you crucified, didn't you?
 
Thanks for the link. You did realize that posting this here is something that could get you crucified, didn't you?

posting the link doesn't get you crucified.

though blatantly ignoring that software matters as much as hardware, and then blanket dismissing anyone who prefers ios software might get some people upset for some reason.
 
Thanks for the link. You did realize that posting this here is something that could get you crucified, didn't you?

We dont all drink the apple Koolaid


Plenty of intelligent people on this forum that aren't blinded by a piece of fruit.

That said it's not proven to me that one is better than the other.
 
Thanks for the link. You did realize that posting this here is something that could get you crucified, didn't you?

He probably thought there were some reasonable people on here. I'd rather use whatever hardware/software solution works for my needs. Sometimes it's Apple, and sometimes, as hard as it is to believe, it's not.
 
i've been noticing that a lot of people here have been gradually preferring MS whenever Android gets mentioned.. why is it that just a few months ago and for years.. there was so much hatred towards MS, and now just because Android is the major competition.. MS is now recommended? how fickle some of you are :rolleyes:

Are you sure you're not comparing different people? Some people here hate Microsoft, with what appear to them to be good reasons and I don't expect the opinions of those people to change any time soon.

I've never hated Microsoft, though I was a bit down on them after my contract with them ended, but I always will enjoy the work I did with them and the things I've worked on. I've used OS X since 10.3 (got a few strange looks turning up to meetings to discuss windows server internals with an ibook under my arm!) and my first iPhone was the 3GS. In all those cases I've enjoyed my choices, which I made based on what did a job for me at the time. It's not reasonable of you to contrast my opinions, say, to those of a total Apple diehard and then conclude that the fact we don't say the same things means that Macrumours is 'fickle'.

I can't speak for anyone else but when I recommend Apple or Microsoft products depending on what the problem is, I'm simply trying to solve a problem, not be "fickle".

I distrust Google because I don't believe in their "Don't be evil" façade while they try and harvest and sell as much detail about you as they can. Apple and Microsoft win there for me because they are totally honest about the fact they are trying to make money from you.
 
Are you sure you're not comparing different people? Some people here hate Microsoft, with what appear to them to be good reasons and I don't expect the opinions of those people to change any time soon.

I've never hated Microsoft, though I was a bit down on them after my contract with them ended, but I always will enjoy the work I did with them and the things I've worked on. I've used OS X since 10.3 (got a few strange looks turning up to meetings to discuss windows server internals with an ibook under my arm!) and my first iPhone was the 3GS. In all those cases I've enjoyed my choices, which I made based on what did a job for me at the time. It's not reasonable of you to contrast my opinions, say, to those of a total Apple diehard and then conclude that the fact we don't say the same things means that Macrumours is 'fickle'.

I can't speak for anyone else but when I recommend Apple or Microsoft products depending on what the problem is, I'm simply trying to solve a problem, not be "fickle".

I distrust Google because I don't believe in their "Don't be evil" façade while they try and harvest and sell as much detail about you as they can. Apple and Microsoft win there for me because they are totally honest about the fact they are trying to make money from you.

read a few pages back.. heck.. read a few of the other threads.. some people are quick to dismiss android and then recommend MS (which doesn't have a proper tablet OS yet or HP's not yet available TouchPad over current available tablets. it was just an observation. to me it seems like when android became a bigger competitor to apple, then some here started stating things like "i would rather recommend X product over android" just because they don't want to give any credit to android.. which is blind prejudice to me. i mean.. this goes the other way too.. when apple haters are quick to rag on ios or osx when they fail to realize that the people who do prefer apple products like them because they have their purposes and current needs.
 
Nope, it's about company policy, because any 14 year old worth their salt can unlock an Android device. It's all about security. It's all about plugging an iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch that someone has 'found' into a computer to try to unlock it and the hardware encryption key getting zapped, rendering any data or network creditals unreadable.

In that case, any company worth it's salt would not permit saving credentials. Next thought?
 
Nope, it's about company policy, because any 14 year old worth their salt can unlock an Android device. It's all about security. It's all about plugging an iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch that someone has 'found' into a computer to try to unlock it and the hardware encryption key getting zapped, rendering any data or network creditals unreadable.

Huh?
What does your last sentence even mean? watching "hackers" rerun? :)

and you are telling me that any 14 year old worth their salt can't do the same to apple devices? Or are they completely locked down and unhackable?

Its a matter of using good applications that are designed and take into account rooting and jailbreaking ipads. Most if not all apps that access corporate data run in a secured space that is isolated from the rest of the android/ios phone. They also refuse to work on any phones that have been tempered with and will not work on rooted android or jailbroken ios phone.

Level of lockdown is controlled via deployment polices server side so corporations have control of how much leeway to give to users
 
Nope, it's about company policy, because any 14 year old worth their salt can unlock an Android device. It's all about security. It's all about plugging an iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch that someone has 'found' into a computer to try to unlock it and the hardware encryption key getting zapped, rendering any data or network creditals unreadable.


Also, can you explain me how hardware encryption key can be zapped with a software? There's a special server somewhere that will send some sort of a godly signal that will change the hardware key?

As we learned from Sony's PS3 hack, if you obtain a hardware encryption key, then the rest is cake.
 
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